David Cameron quits

Jambalaya –

Just curious as to why you’d think I’d even bother to reply ?

My guess is a deep rooted inferiority complex.

Just got to figure out now if it’s Jambaliar, Jambatroll or Jambadeluded.

My guess is some aspects of all three.

enters – sorry I thought this was a CMD thread – leaves to find the correct one 😉

Nats are infiltrating everywhere 😉

If Yes had won Cameron would have been a hero in Scotland (begrudingly)

@ben UK interest rate and monetary policy is set for the benefit of the whole country, 10% of whom are Scots. 5m Scots will have no voice at all amongst 500m EU population. There must be a decent chance an iS would have to be a net contributer to the EU (and no Barnet formula payments either of course), they are going to have to make up the £10bn / €12bn shortfall after we leave

And do you think Scotland is more like Zimbabwe or New Zealand?

Neither.

It should be easy. Just apply the Gove/Johnson mentality for Scottish Independence. It will mean that Scotland can be independent, have full control of the currency, get whatever they want from rUK as they buy a lot more than they sell so rUK will be desperate for a deal and roll over, give out free unicorns and depose the queen and replace her with a haggis.

And give a trillion pooonds to the Scottish NHS. Anything else is ‘Project Fear’ remember?

But there was, you know, says Samantha Cameron reassuringly

SAMANTHA Cameron is struggling to reassure her husband that he did a great job and everyone does not hate him.

After quitting as an MP, David Cameron lay with his head in his wife’s lap and asked her what she thought his greatest achievements were.

Samantha Cameron said: “Um, wow. There’s almost too much. Loads of things. Loads and loads.”

David Cameron said: “Try to be a bit more specific. I know deep down that I’m great but sometimes I think that almost everyone else in the country reckons I am a giant arse.

“Or, worse, that they see me as indistinguishable from hundreds of other ruddy-cheeked alpha male toffs and thus no more memorable than a mid-morning packet of crisps.

“So let’s focus on the positives. What went really well?”

Samantha Cameron replied: “Um. Gosh I don’t know, there’s such a choice, it’s like trying to name your favourite chocolate in a box of Roses.”

David Cameron said: “That’s easy, it’s the toffees. We both know I like the toffees and you like the swirly hazelnut ones.

“I properly **** it up didn’t I?

TBF I think the recent trend for former PMs to make a fairly swift exit is the right way, regardless of party colour. In no other industry does the top man (and it’s usually a man), when they lose their post, go back to a more junior role in the same organisation.

The alternative is to hang around bitterly, peering over the shoulder of your successor and make an embarassment of yourself (like what Edward Heath did throughout Margaret Thatcher’s prime ministership). Or, I suppose, keep taking the salary while not doing any of the work expected of an MP (G. Brown).

This. In practical terms his options were to be an absentee MP (like Brown) or leave.

I’m not critical of Brown’s choice to stay but I think the ‘go’ option is better.

Some very hard things being said about his role in the collapse of Libya today.

His ex colleagues really sticking the knife in.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/david-camerons-ill-conceived-libya-war-led-to-rise-of-islamic-st/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-intervention

The heir to Blair and defence sec Fox heavily criticised, even blaming them for the rise of I.S. !

No wonder he’s quit, as Theresa May goes about dismantling and reversing many of his policies, his ‘legacy’ us being dismantled

And so they should. Libya was a bad mistake and we almost did the same in Syria (are doing the same?)

But his legacy? Before you dismantle it, you have to define it. What was the Cameron legacy? How do you define him and his leadership – other than achieved power?

He did a good job of stitching up the Lib Dems.
He was able to claim to be a modernising Tory, whilst doing all the things that Torys do best, fuel the housing market, attack the welfare state, butter up pensioners, close youth centres, sure start centres- biggest cuts to council funding ever!
privatise the post office, cut taxes for the rich, close libraries,t opdown reorganise the NHS, sign more PPI deals than nu labour! increased NHS dependency on EU and foreign staff, open up the NHS to even more privatisation, push up hospital waiting times, failed utterly on press regulation, alienated police, doctors, nurses, teachers, increase the size of the house of lords….

So in those terms he did quite well
He and George did have their hands tied a bit by the financial crash, but they used it as a great pretext for pushing through policy, without addressing the structural reforms the country really needs

Ultimately he was undone because you can’t be everyone’s hero, talking tough on immigration, whilst keeping business happy with EU workers allowed demagogue Farige a free hand to convince people it was Brussels not Westminster that was eroding their standard of living

But surely his greatest legacy- according to the Tory dominated Foreign Affairs Select Committee is helping to create Islamic State

As a Tory voter I was never impressed with Cameron. A good summing up on his failings from kimbers IMO.

Kimbers sums it up.

It’s obvious that Cameron is regarded by the 1922 Committee as an embarrassment. It’s still too early for a full post mortem of the EU Referendum, but it’s immediately apparent that he opted for a referendum to quell the Eurosceptic wing of the party and managed to turn an internal party dispute that could and should have been controlled by party whips into a full blown crisis which will preoccupy the efforts of government for the remainder of this parliament.

In his resignation speech (as an MP) he observed “I’m only forty-nine”. He’s slowly beginning to realise that he’ll be carrying an albatross around his neck for the rest of his life, he’ll be remembered with the same fondness as Chamberlain and Eden.

So David Cameron’s government bear significant responsibility for the rise of ‘The so called’ Islamic State?

Libya has little to do with ISIL, it’s much more Syria and Iraq ie the Levant. The clue is in the name.

It’s fair to say the majority of the “Arab Spring” revolutions have turned out for the worse. Libya was as much about France and the US as it was the UK and without the intervention there wouod have been a much more prolonged and very bloody civil war like in Syria. I think the alternative to no action was worse

PJM Cameron is a democrat, he waited for Parliamentary approval before taking military action and gave Scotland their Referendum. The EU was a natural extension, I am sure there was some politics to encourage people to vote Tory in 2015 as Referendum was based upon a Tory majority.

Libya has little to do with ISIL

Which is not what the defence select committee says in their report!

Libya has been a recruiting ground and supplier of arms, (Gaddafi left a load of em) for IS since 2011. The group that masterminded the Bataclan attacks were formed in Libya.
Obama blamed Cameron and Hollande for turning Libya into a “Shitstorm”

Cameron wasn’t a democrat, he was a poor leader who gambled and lost on many occasions

In March 2011, the United Kingdom and France, with the support of the United States, led the international community to support an intervention in Libya to protect civilians from attacks by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi. This policy was not informed by accurate intelligence. In particular, the Government failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element. By the summer of 2011, the limited intervention to protect civilians had drifted into an opportunist policy of regime change. That policy was not underpinned by a strategy to support and shape post-Gaddafi Libya. The result was political and economic collapse, inter-militia and inter-tribal warfare, humanitarian and migrant crises, widespread human rights violations, the spread of Gaddafi regime weapons across the region and the growth of ISIL in North Africa. Through his decision making in the National Security Council, former Prime Minister David Cameron was ultimately responsible for the failure to develop a coherent Libya strategy.

The Committee’s view – including assessment of ISIL in N Africa (It is much more than the Levant) – is pretty clear and damning to me.

Dave’s greatest legacy? He exposed the significant xenophobic and racist element that still exists in UK today. Not a great result, but a valuable insight nonetheless.

I would also add on a practical note that he changed my opinion on coalition governments. He demonstrated that they can and do work even in v challenging circumstances. That legacys is far-too-easily overlooked especially with the over-zealous attacks on old Cleggie

” He exposed the significant xenophobic and racist element that still exists in UK today.”

Only by accident. And it’s largely his own party that have created the situation that has led to an increase in xenophobia and racism in the UK, through their ideology and policies. Indeed, he himself has been guilty of exactly that xenophobic attitude; ‘swarms’, a ‘bunch of migrants’ and other such bigoted nastiness. As party leader, he completely failed to address the xenophobia within the tory party and on the right, or to actually show any leadership in at least attempting to improve UK society.

Dave’s legacy? How much wealth he’s made for himself and his mates.

Only by accident.

Clod, you dont spot tongue in cheek comments that easily do you!! 😉

I would also add on a practical note that he changed my opinion on coalition governments

I kind of agree but looking at what happened to the lib Dems I can’t imagine anyone leaping at the chance to be the minority party in a coalition any time soon! (Tho lib dem+ Tory did seem unlikely bedfellows)

“Clod, you dont spot tongue in cheek comments that easily do you!!”

That’s because I don’t actually believe you intended it to be read that way.

Your choice…

..based on an informed opinion borne of facts. 😉

Time to hone you analytical skills then – how to evaluate a source!

Libya has little to do with ISIL, it’s much more Syria and Iraq ie the Levant. The clue is in the name.

Apart from the fact that the weapons that bolstered their creation were imported by western intelligence services from Libya:

Now where did the ideology that fuels their cause come from?

David Cameron defends flag tributes to late King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia

Odd then that Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the same guy who helped provide US support to Osama Bin Laden,

(Transcript here if video now blocked: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0110/01/lkl.00.html)

set up the Al-Yamamah Arms deal (with £billions being unaccounted for)

and was in contact with the 9/11 hijackers (including financial ties via CIA linked Riggs Bank)

was also charged with leading the Saudi contingent in Syria:

Prince Bandar to Lead Saudi Extraterritorial Military Force for War in Syria, Yemen

Of course, much of this pre-dates Cameron’s tenure as Prime Minister of Her Majesty’s Government, but nonetheless, it raises questions as to just what compromises the intelligence services are prepared to make to bolster arms sales.

The Libya story today has certainly helped solidify Dave’s legacy! 😯

Calling himself the ‘Heir to Blair’ back in 2005 really was quite prescient

he was busy tooling up the Middle East literally as the Arab spring was breaking out

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/nov/05/david-cameron-gulf-arms-trip

Arms sales to Saudi for use perpetrating War Crimes in Yemen and helping create the next generation of Jihadists are still ongoing of course

“The Libya story today has certainly helped solidify Dave’s legacy! “

Yeah, funny how he announced his rapid retirement just before the Libya story broke. What a coincidence. 🙄

Of curse, a cynical person might suggest he was warned of this by his mates in the media. But that would be cynical.

Time to hone you analytical skills then – how to evaluate a source!

tbh THM, some of your posts are esoteric to the point of being undecipherable.

😀

..warned of this by his mates in the media..

Given that it’s come from a parliamentary committee, I think you’re probably barking up the wrong tree regarding where any tip-off might have originated..

Cameron could do nothing about the rising tide of public concern about uncontrolled immigration. The same concerns exist throughout Europe and are mich stronger elsewhere. Austria have a far right candidate basically ties for Presidential elections, the French introduced a Burka ban 6 years ago, Poland and Hungary have said “no refugees” etc etc. The concept of freedom of movement quite simply makes no sense in a Union of 28 members of such widely varying economic strength.

That lefties hate Cameron, no surpise there as he delivered a minimum of 10 years of Tory government (coalition was a Tory government) and has run rings round the opposition. BTW Kimbers Labour are in a much worse state than the Lib Dems.

EDIT: the report said the miliatary action contributed to the rise of IS in Libya, my contention that no military action would have lead to an even more bloody civil war and even more IS as per Syria.

Also I imagine Cameron would have been fully aware of the publication date of the report, I imagine his resignation as an MP was timed to be before publication as to resign afterwards would just be much miore messy with political opponents claiming they “forced it”

So

1. He has a new lucrative job lined up – 49% chance
2. The ex-PM on the back benches issue – 49% chance
3. Any of the conspiracy theories – 2% chance

He has a new lucrative job lined up – 49% chance

By what means would this have happened?

Cameron could do nothing about the rising tide of public concern about uncontrolled immigration.

Clearly – as it doesnt exist in the UK

An interview?

After what selection process?

Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc and Merlot in the back bar?

You know how it is….. 😉

FFS tmh you have your head so deep in the sand on this it’s frightening, you are making the same mistakes many on here have done over the last few years denying its a real issue and putting it all down to the Daily Mail. Open your eyes and look around the UK and round the rest of Europe. Look what’s happenjng in Holland, France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia.

It’s a real issue and if not dealt with the tensions will only get worse. If the Tories don’t deal with it during Brexit there will be an electoral reaction in 2020 and not in favour of Labour.

The European economy is going to get materially worse and these tensions are going to be ratcheted up significantly

Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc and Merlot in the back bar?

You know how it is…..

Steady on, that sounds a lot like a conspiracy theory 😉