Creationist religious nutjob on R4 "One to One 9.30am"

Yes but only the religious get Thought for the day

For which little “blessing”, I am sure they are very grateful (in the context of the mainly secular media) 😉 !!

Hang on.

do you really believe that I think there is a sky wizard controlling it all …. come on really ??

Ro5ey, I apologise if I misunderstand, but are you saying that you’re a church-going Christian but don’t believe in a god?

By extension then, is it fair to say that your life improvements aren’t directly due to “I found religion” but rather “I joined a social club”?

For which little “blessing”, I am sure they are very grateful (in the context of the mainly secular media) !!

Surely God is in everything? So, he’s in the “secular” media as well as in Thought for The day.

I never thought I’d say this but I’m with Ro5ey here. Everyone who’s dismissive of all religion just goes on about the Sky Fairy/imaginary friend stuff. And that’s very easy to take the piss out of. In fact its hard not too. Its an open goal

I’m hardly religious but take my daughters to (catholic) church. Which, contrary to popular conception, is always rammed to the rafters on a Sunday. And it genuinely creates a sense of community. Which is a good thing, yes?

And the organisations they support/fund do a lot of good. We were hearing on Sunday about a catholic missionary from Salford who got himself bumped off a few years back, for ceaselessly fighting corruption in Africa, until it got him killed. But hey, we don’t want to hear about that. We want to hear about him buggering choirboys

Folk who clearly do not follow one word / much of that religion still count themselves as belonging to it
IIRC 99% of catholics ignore the contraception rule so it depends what you look at tbh

How dare you!!! I’m a catholic and I have 2 kids!!!

And the organisations they support/fund do a lot of good.

What, the Jimmy Savile appreciation society; otherwise known as a large number of Catholic priests in many countries who systematically abused the people who trusted them for many decades?

I’m hardly religious but take my daughters to (catholic) church. Which, contrary to popular conception, is always rammed to the rafters on a Sunday. And it genuinely creates a sense of community. Which is a good thing, yes?

Community is great. It’s not proof of god’s existence.

My two go to church each Sunday with their mum. They also get money from the tooth fairy and Santa brings them presents. Both of them openly say that the tooth fairy isn’t real, the eldest is hedging her bets on Santa just now, and both have declare that God’s not real.

And the organisations they support/fund do a lot of good. We were hearing on Sunday about a catholic missionary from Salford who got himself bumped off a few years back, for ceaselessly fighting corruption in Africa, until it got him killed. But hey, we don’t want to hear about that. We want to hear about him buggering choirboys

Are there no atheists doing good work in Africa?

Good reposte Mike – another question for later use! But the answer will depend on one’s definition of omnipotence. But for sure, in one defintion, you are correct.

“I’ve met lots of bitter, uptight, depressed church-goers.”

Strangley enough, I’m humble enough not to think I can talk for the billions of other peoples of faith… I wonder whether church taught me that, or I worked out for myself ?? No matter… I mearly give you MY honest and heartfelt feelings on the matter. Most will not give two figs, others will think happy clappy ******, but maybe my little twittering might mean something to someone… If its you, follow your heart… wish I had found this years ago when I lost that crutch in a drunken stupor 🙂

Good reposte Mike – another question for later use! But the answer will depend on one’s definition of omnipotence. But for sure, in one defintion, you are correct.

I’m paraphrasing what a priest said to me when I said atheists wouldn’t make a fuss about religion if religion didn’t butt into secular matters. She said that there were no secular matters.

Is it that time of the month again?

I’m pretty much with you there Mike. I wasn’t arguing for the existence of the soup dragon or otherwise, just making the point that organised religion gets a rough ride. Sometimes unfairly in my view.

No matter… I mearly give you MY honest and heartfelt feelings on the matter.

I’m happy that you’re happy.

Binners you prove my earlier point – the catholics are excellent at keeping the lapsed within the flock 😉

I’m pretty much with you there Mike. I wasn’t arguing for the existence of the soup dragon or otherwise, just making the point that organised religion gets a rough ride. Sometimes unfairly in my view.

Sometime. But often not.

joolsburger – Member
Is it that time of the month again?

Yep, they’ve got religion, warfare AND royalty to argue about. And aren’t they happy about it! 🙂

One thing’s for sure, all the non-religious people always seem to get very angry and defensive about their precious atheism/agnosticism.

Why not just brush it aside and ignore it if it’s all just fairy tales and what-not?

I couldn’t give a toss, frankly. People believe what they want to believe, so let them.
Unless it’s that the moon landings were faked… 😆

Yep, they’ve got religion, warfare AND royalty to argue about. And aren’t they happy about it!

who said atheists are always angry eh?

CaptainFlashheart – Member
joolsburger – Member
Is it that time of the month again?
Yep, they’ve got religion, warfare AND royalty to argue about. And aren’t they happy about it!

Y’know, we really missed your erudite contributions such as this in your brief moment of exile. 🙄

Strangley enough, I’m humble

Why is that?

I listened to the guy this morning, did not agree with most of what he said but he seemed a really nice chap. He sounded a better person than many I can think of.

Cougar … Yes I believe in God but not in sky wizards, santa or the tooth fairy.

And we been here before… if you want to find God, go look for him.

There’s a big building at the end of your street, you’ll find the people in there will happily assist you in the general direction. But it’s really up to you?

“why is that”

Because all those great feelings I mentioned earlier are so empowering that one could quite easily become a self obsessed know it all.

I’ve possible sounded like one in earlier posts, like I said I’ve alot to learn.

Just trying to give a different view

I struggle with long sentences (although I got about half way).

I work with a family of JWs. That’s what they believe in. I’m not going to question it.

I believe in God but not in sky wizards

Ah, ok, so it’s just the terminology you’re objecting to? Ie, if your post had read,

do you really believe that I think there is a sky wizard god controlling it all …. come on really ??

… then the answer would be that yes, you do?

(I’m not trolling, I’m just trying to make sure I understand what you mean)

if you want to find God, go look for him.

Something omnipresent shouldn’t be difficult to find.

There’s a big building at the end of your street, you’ll find the people in there will happily assist you in the general direction.

The secondary school? Do I ask to speak to the science teachers or the RE teachers? Or the geographers? 🙂

The big building at the other end of the street is a Church of England church. I’m having dinner with the Rector on Friday.

There’s a big building at the end of your street, you’ll find the people in there will happily assist you in the general direction.

None of these people and their forbears have, since the beginning of recorded time, been able to produce evidence of a god.

If you have different information, then your Nobel Prize awaits.

I’ve noticed that these threads are drawing less and less supporters of superstition faith to the argument than formerly. The few who do turn up, seem to quickly fade away.

Possibly because…

One thing’s for sure, all the non-religious people always seem to get very angry and defensive about their precious atheism/agnosticism.

Ergo, there seems little point engaging with those of you with no FAITH as your erstwhile intellectual black and white responses, born from an irrational FEAR of the unknown, indicate an unshakeable closed mindedness that may well have a direct and proportional relationship with your sense of manliness/ego/pride (delete as appropriate following your own soul searching).

I for one, am looking forward to finding out the TRUTH as and when it is my time to do so. Until then I choose to have MY faith and therefore freely and willingly accept that others have theirs. Possibly including those who fear it.

but he seemed a really nice chap

how many times have we heard that from the neighbours on the news after some travesty?

Only joking, I guess I’d consider believing in god as a bit of a character flaw, I have many of my own, I tend to be a bit talky and evangelical about bikes so I try to be careful about who I preach to, to prevent boring the arse off of people. These flaws are normally minor things and don’t make you a horrible person. Some of my best friends are christian.

Some of the religions are pretty easy going and like a social club which can have many virtues but it’s a bit difficult to get away from the fact that saying you converse with god is pretty much the same as saying you converse with the salad drawer of your fridge, only the fact that religion is accepted by society differs between the two.

organised religion interfering in how a country runs is pretty bad tho and should be stopped.

*I’ve tried not to be abusive here, sorry if it comes across as me thinking religious people are a bit stupid, but hey if it makes you feel better you’re going to heaven and I’m going to burn in hell so we’ll call it quits.

I for one, am looking forward to finding out the TRUTH as and when it is my time to do so.

One imagines, on the balance of probabilities, that you’ll be DISAPPOINTED.

there seems little point engaging with those of you with no FAITH as your erstwhile intellectual black and white responses, born from an irrational FEAR of the unknown, indicate an unshakeable closed mindedness that may well have a direct and proportional relationship with your sense of manliness/ego/pride

I would encourage “campaigning” atheists and skeptics to think about the tone they use to deliver their messages. It should be obvious that how we say things is often as important, if not more so, than what we say.

I would hope that I keep the the not-being-a-dick side of the line, but if I occasionally cross it it’s unintentional.

Some of the religions are pretty easy going and like a social club but it’s a bit difficult to get away from the fact that saying you converse with god is pretty much the same as saying you converse with the salad drawer of your fridge, only the fact that religion is accepted by society differs between the two.

There is pretty good evidence that whilst inanimate, the salad drawer does at least exist.

on the balance of probabilities, that you’ll be DISAPPOINTED.

see the thing is if this life is all that there is then he won’t be disappointed ‘cos he/his soul won’t exist to be.

all us non-believers *may* be in for a nasty surprise, though.

It could be that the Atom that created the Universe is actually God, so God is an Atom!

There is pretty good evidence that whilst inanimate, the salad drawer does at least exist.

I was concentrating on the conversing element 🙂

all us non-believers *may* be in for a nasty surprise, though.

we can only lose is just one way of looking at it, another is that we have sunday mornings free for riding/hangover recovery,is that worth wagering against infinity in paradise?

slackalice – Member

there seems little point engaging with those of you with no FAITH as your erstwhile intellectual black and white responses, born from an irrational FEAR of the unknown, indicate an unshakeable closed mindedness…

a closed mind?

i, like many atheists, would change my mind if i was presented with evidence.

what would it take to change your mind?

all us non-believers *may* be in for a nasty surprise, though.

Given that more than one religion states that followers of other religions are damned to eternity in hell, and that non believers will follow the same fate, I suspect if religion(s) exist, we’re all off to a hot place under ground…

closed minded?

i, like many atheists, would change my mind if i was presented with evidence.

what would it take to change your mind?

Good retort that 😀

I would hope that I keep the the not-being-a-dick side of the line

You invariably do.