Contador suspended 2 years

Because they did not consider the main evidence about the blood transfusions as contadors lawyers managed to persuade them not to – which almost caused WADA to walk away from the hearing. If you don’t look at the evidence yo cannot rule on it.

Why do you want to defend this confirmed drug cheat?

At least they upheld the basic point that its strict liability – drugs in your system means a ban.

I don’t I just read the article and didn’t see any reference to thwe transfusion that you go on about sand thought I would ask the question. 🙄

i genuinely think its just a sport that will and has always had such a problem

I actually think it one of the few sports that has stood up and done something about drugs, look how football and particularly rugby just buries their heads in the sand and pretends there is no problem, cycling is 10 years ahead of the game by comparison.

http://road.cc/content/news/50148-wada-lawyers-considered-walking-out-contador-cas-hearing-after-key-testimony

Probably the easiest way to level the field is to just simply allow doping.

Great, so where DO you draw the line? Pro-Tour? Pro-Continental? Domestic Cat 1? Go Race under 12’s?

TJ thank you for posting that Michael Ashenden NY Velo piece. Very interesting reading.

Boris – all racing. At the lower levels the only drugs available are likely to be coke or speed off the street. Could result in some interesting cat 4 races.

Boris – all racing. At the lower levels the only drugs available are likely to be coke or speed off the street. Could result in some interesting cat 4 races.

I think you underestimate how easy it is to get hold of performance enhancing drugs.

I’m sure I do, I’ve never tried!

Anybody got any Vera’s?

fill ’em full of coke in bike races and watch the heart attacks happen

Well no wonder you never made it, if you had got with the program, you could have been a contender!

fill ’em full of coke in bike races and watch the heart attacks happen

There’s that story of riders in the 90’s sleeping with HR monitors on, set up to alarm when their HR dropped below a certain level. Their blood was so thick from EPO they had to get on turbos in the middle of the night to get their hearts pumping again.That was before any sort of EPO testing, Pantani was the worst by all accounts…

And here’s a ‘clean’ Lance Armstrong toying with the heavily juiced up best climber of his generation on Alpe D’Heuz. It’s embarrassing.

Alpe D’Heuz. It’s embarrassing

Yes it is – particularly as on my machine it looks rather like Mont Ventoux

Sorry 😉

warton it’s embarrassing you are under the impression that video clip is on Alpe d’Huez.

Try Mont Ventoux.

LOL, so it is. I shall retreat quietly from this thread 😳

Great, so where DO you draw the line? Pro-Tour? Pro-Continental? Domestic Cat 1? Go Race under 12’s?

I think the current system is fine, You do drugs you get caught, you win and theres no evidence you end up gathering attention from the conspiracy theorists. I find it sad that someone does well they instantly get hated.

I know a few people who have been through cancer and have found Lance Armstrong an inspiration. Also his work for charity is impeccable.

Also his work for charity is impeccable

I’m sorry, I should really let this go, but it’s absolutely not. It’s great that your friends got inspiration from him, and that is something he gives to people on a daily basis, but his ‘charity’ work is nothing more than a self promoting exercise. Livestrong pays him $200k every time he appears at a Livestrong event. Something like 45% of Livestrongs turnover is spent on his legal fees. HIS legal fees, not Livestrongs. thats money that should be getting spent on researching and fighting cancer, but it’s not, it’s being spent on HIS libel cases.

Livestrong pays him $200k every time he appears at a Livestrong event. Something like 45% of Livestrongs turnover is spent on his legal fees. HIS legal fees, not Livestrongs. thats money that should be getting spent on researching and fighting cancer, but it’s not, it’s being spent on HIS libel cases

Now I’m not going to say its right, BUT if its 55% of it turnover going on Cancer research its 55% of something rather than 55% of nothing. There is plenty of people in this world that could equal that contribution quiet easily but simply don’t.

Now I’m not going to say its right, BUT if its 55% of it turnover going on Cancer research its 55% of something rather than 55% of nothing

Charity absolutely cannot work like that. Where do you draw the line?

Well that’s the argument I suppose, and you’re right, he’s done much, much more than pretty much anyone else. But the public image and the truth are a long way off each other.

Livestrong pays him $200k every time he appears at a Livestrong event. Something like 45% of Livestrongs turnover is spent on his legal fees. HIS legal fees, not Livestrongs. thats money that should be getting spent on researching and fighting cancer, but it’s not, it’s being spent on HIS libel cases.

Can you quote your sources on that? I’m not questioning you just genuinely interested in those figures.

Charity absolutely cannot work like that. Where do you draw the line?

There must be line somewhere in the regulations of being a charity,

as Tesco would just give 5% of profits to cancer research and declare themselves as a charity and reap the benefits.

The turnover / legal fees were in their last set of accounts, sometime in 2011.

This was calculated from their 2009 books

In 2009 Livestrong spent $15,377,233 on legal fees & salaries vs $11,775,916 paid out to grants & programs.

At the time I did some basic comparisons with oxfam and another charity I forget the name of and I was amazed at the difference.

The turnover / legal fees were in their last set of accounts, sometime in 2011.

Linky? : )

Well that’s the argument I suppose, and you’re right, he’s done much, much more than pretty much anyone else. But the public image and the truth are a long way off each other.

Well lets look at Bill Gates. By all accounts a nice bloke, has engaged in some less than pleasant business practices but because he’s not won any bike races (as an example), he’s ignored. He’s given $28 BILLION to charity. He doesn’t get paid by his foundation and doesn’t chase everyone who has something bad to say about him.

What Lance has done is given motivation and inspiration which isn’t bad, but lets not pretend he’s a philanthropist. Livestrong is about his brand.

Anyway, back to Contador, the Spanish blokes in the office here in Luxembourg are quite miffed that Contador got the ban but can’t talk too much about it as the local hero is the main beneficiary 🙂

Is the National Lottery a charity?

Is the National Lottery a charity?

No – yet it still manages to give a larger proportion of profit to good causes than Livestrong (the only reason Livestrong even comes close is because of the proportion the government skims off).

Serious question – is Livestrong an official charity, or a fundraising organsation that donates some of it’s money to ‘good causes’ ?

Looking at http://www.livestrong.org, ‘charity’ is not mentioned anywhere …

it’s a Foudation, what exactly does that mean legally (in the US). Does a Foundation have to be charitable? If not could I start my own, perhaps to put a bonus in and say it’s gone to charity. Is this what Fred Goodwin should have done?

It isn’t a charity no, It was, under the lance armstrong foundation, but LA and his directors quietly turned it into a for profit organisation. so when people are buying wrist bands and t shirts they are, in fact, giving lots of money to Nike and LA (and a %age to the part of the company that gives money to anti cancer programmes and research)

All my hopes are on Wiggo for the TDF then, watching Andy Schleck ask Cuddles to chase down Contador on the Alpe d’Heuz last year was just embarassing.

Wiggins, no chance. Froome has a better chance than him. Shame though.

Wiggins, no chance. Froome has a better chance than him. Shame though.

Maybe, it will be an interesting press conference when Team Sky announce that. 🙂

are you mad Froome better than Wiggo nah
Spain has super steep climbs that Le tour does not have and Wiggo did crack [ish]then but it was also after a slight lay off

Froome is not in the same class as Wiggo yet [who should podium IMHO] an dhas only riodden the tour once before

http://www.livestrong.org/What-We-Do/Our-Approach/Where-the-Money-Goes

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx

Only in the search function does it provide hits on ‘charity’ (links to others)

Maybe in the US certain org’s want a different definition of what we’d call Charidee?

It isn’t a charity no, It was, under the lance armstrong foundation, but LA and his directors quietly turned it into a for profit organisation

Hmm. Not convinced thats actually the case. It is a fact the Livestrong.com is a commercial entity licensed to an external company as opposed to the foundation website at livestrong.org. Also a bit sceptical of the speculation about legal fees – happy to be proven wrong though.

This is a very insightful piece on LiveStrong including what they actually fund these days :

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html

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Is the National Lottery a charity?

No – yet it still manages to give a larger proportion of profit to good causes than Livestrong (the only reason Livestrong even comes close is because of the proportion the government skims off).

Sorry to be a pedant Smiley face thingy dont work.
So that’s profit not turnover then. Livestrong gives a % of total income generated as apposed to the National Lottery that gives a % of profit.

So that’s profit not turnover then. Livestrong gives a % of total income generated as apposed to the National Lottery that gives a % of profit.

Well the turnover of the NL includes prizes – you’d hardly expect 80% of turnover to go to good causes in that case. Apologies for not managing a better term for “income less prizes”.