Christian Hotel Ruling

Can you believe they’re STILL arguing over ordaining women as “Bishops”? Whatever THAT is…

I think it has something to do with not having enough loos of the right type or something.

Right, first off this is the ‘B&B’

Which isn’t really a ‘B&B’, but a small hotel, but B&B sounds more quaint and makes people think we’re just talking about a little room in someone’s house.

The website doesn’t make it quite clear that this is a Christian building with a particular subset of Christian rules.
This is the front page
http://www.chymorvah.co.uk/index.html
Just normal hotel stuff.

On the booking page there is a special note
http://www.chymorvah.co.uk/bookingform.html

This is the booking page from June 2008
http://web.archive.org/web/20080611115650/www.chymorvah.co.uk/bookingform.html

Interestingly the text has changed from in June 2008

“Here at Chymorvah we have few rules, but please note, that out of a deep regard for marriage we prefer to let double accommodation to heterosexual married couples only – thank you.”

to

“Here at Chymorvah we have few rules, but please note that as Christians we have a deep regard for marriage(being the union of one man to one woman for life to the exclusion of all others).

Therefore, although we extend to all a warm welcome to our home, our double bedded accommodation is not available to unmarried couples – Thank you.”

If you go to 2004 there is no text
http://web.archive.org/web/20040401131928/www.chymorvah.co.uk/bookingform.html

Of course if you looked at the website, the rooms, the prices then phoned up to book. You wouldn’t see this message any way.

Sorry, double post.

they’re STILL arguing over ordaining women as “Bishops”

The Muslim religion is still struggling with the concept that possesing a female body isn’t an incitement to rape and thus doesn’t immediately require full coverage when, in fact, a bit of self control from those with male bodies is all that’s required.

I can see these two having similar trouble trying to book a double room in Qatar during the world cup…

Law says you can’t discriminate. They did. So they broke the law and paid the price. Simple. Probably not going to book a weekend away with them any time soon though.

Have all the biscuits gone?

*spots another gap in the market*

Anyone want to buy a Vegan Toy Farm Set?

TSY – organic?

Do gay couples have less freedom of choice than Christians? Don’t they have the right to choose which hotel they stay in?

…persecute a Christian couple for trying to exercise their right to insist that couples who share beds in THEIR home, should be married in accordance with their religion.

Let’s assume they’re Catholics – if you get married in a registry office, you aren’t married according to the Church as you haven’t been married in front of God. Does the above statement mean that they insist on guests providing Catholic marriage certificates, I doubt it. I suspect that they chose this ‘line’ as their lawyer suggested it…it’s more likely that they are bigotted towards homosexuals, and they refused them as guests purely because they were gay.

No, I’d fight to the death for freedom of choice.

Given your willingness to fight to the death, please don’t read the threads about the recent drama on the A&A threads, I wouldn’t want certain people to be forced to assume new identities.

Crikey … 😆

Anyone want to buy a Vegan Toy Farm Set?

A vegan farm eh? Interesting, I wonder what vegan meat tastes like?

“Here at Chymorvah we have few rules, but please note that as Christians we have a deep regard for marriage(being the union of one man to one woman for life to the exclusion of all others).

Therefore, although we extend to all a warm welcome to our home, our double bedded accommodation is not available to unmarried couples – Thank you.”

I’m assuming the B&B owners asked for marriage certificates, and also checked that their guests weren’t remarried divorcees, and had never had affairs.

Except they allowed non-married couples to stay in their double rooms.

“Mr & Mrs Bull’s argument that they denied double rooms to all unmarried people, not just homosexuals, has been shown to be false by one of the National Secular Society’s Council members, Dr Ray Newton. He stayed at this hotel in a double room with an unmarried partner – they registered under different names – but they were not challenged, and we understand that the hotel’s website made no reference to declining unmarried heterosexual couples.”

Ear, Yeti; can you email Petesgaff with your details, like your real name and that, for his Bullheart MM thingy?

Yeahp, yeahp, it’ll be organic. Made from sustainable wooden trees and coloured with natural vegetable dyes. None of which will be harmed in the process of making it.

I bet the BnB owners have featured on http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/

Dafties. Turning people away cause some mythical fairy maybe mentioned something about men who like each other.

No room in this day and age for ancient and destructive attitudes such as theirs.

Will do Elfin! Edit – Done!

I’m glad this arguement seems to be fizzling out – I’m gay and I’m not half as offended as you lot seem to be

toab, that’s all well and good, but let’s not beat about the bush – What sort of biscuit do you want?

😉

Well, I’m vegan and I’m offended.
I’m not sure what by yet, but I’ll think of something.

Can I be offended on your behalf please, Toab?

And what’s all that ‘good with colours’ thing? I’ve never understood that. Where did that one come from?

God, life is confusing enough at the best of times…

MTG – Wanna buy a farm set?

I’m glad this arguement seems to be fizzling out – I’m gay and I’m not half as offended as you lot seem to be

I’m offended that you’re not offended enough.

I’m now offended that Grumm’s offended. 😕

….Wunundred!

Can I be offensive?

*Sits waiting….hoping someone asks, “Can I be blunt?”……*

Wanna buy a farm set?

Dunno, are all the animals married or is there separate accommodation for the girl pigs and boy pigs ?

toab – Member

I’m glad this arguement seems to be fizzling out – I’m gay and I’m not half as offended as you lot seem to be

It’s not the fact that the couple were gay that I see as the problem, it’s the fact that anyone should be told who they can and can’t do business with.

I choose who I want to do business with on a daily basis, and I feel it’s nobody’s business but my own and I don’t think I should have to justify it. The couple *should* have the right to decide whether or not they want to enter into a business contract with whoever.

The only problem I have that could possibly be linked to the gay aspect of this situation is that the pro-homosexuality lobby are particularly vociferous and – as in this case – are prepared to bring these cases in the promotion of their political cause, without any consideration to the morality of a crusade like this, or the ordinary people that they are prosecuting. It stinks.

We’re talking about a very twee Christian couple that open their home up as a B&B to other Christians where they can discuss their fairy tails and read the myriad god-bothery pamphlets that they leave strewn around the place. Why on earth would a pair of non religious, affluent, educated men want to stay in a place like that anyway? One reason only: to make an example of what they perceived to be some sort of persecution – the denial of a right that they probably didn’t even want in the first place.

*Sits waiting….hoping someone asks, “Can I be blunt?”

I’d rather you din’t please, Flashy. 😐

Not THAT Blunt!

The correct response to the question, “Can I be blunt?” is of course, “Only if I can be Philby”

More than happy for people to be offended on my behalf, particularly if they have biscuits (malted milk for preference).

Me and Mr. Toab were once asked not to come back to a pub in the depths of Welsh Wales, but mainly cos Mr. Toab wouldn’t keep his hands to himself and it was upsetting the regulars, who were keeping the business going. The managment were really very polite about it and I didn’t really feel I could blame them.

😆

This thread is now sublime in it’s ridiculousness.

Is it time for Ostriches and Penguins?

I’m offended by your choice of biscuit, they’re almost as bad as those pink waffer things..

The Muslim religion is still struggling with the concept that possesing a female body isn’t an incitement to rape and thus doesn’t immediately require full coverage when, in fact, a bit of self control from those with male bodies is all that’s required.

thank God that on a topic about a christian discriminating against gay people we managed to demonise the Mulsims attitude to women… I was worried for a moment then that all this egalitarian nonesense that had got hold of the brethren thank God we know who the real badies are oh yes an Gypsies
EDIT: It actually askes nbothe males and females to dress modestly and that females should cover their hair …the othe rstuff is mor ecultural than religous as you can find non Muslims who were the Burkha as well …but you knew all that and were just toying with us.

My kids vegan farm has animals and we liberate them daily from the yoke of servitude and set them free as equals

Ain’t no animals on it MTG – it’s vegan!

Mr Toab is more than welcome to squeeze my arse toab. Rumour has it, it’s even nicer than Elfin’s.

Found a news site with a more accurate report of what happened.

http://newsthump.com/2011/01/18/christian-bb-owners-bemoan-loss-of-niche-homophobic-bigot-market/

We’re talking about a very twee Christian couple that open their home up as a B&B to other Christians where they can discuss their fairy tails and read the myriad god-bothery pamphlets that they leave strewn around the place.
Are we?
Could you highlight the whole Christian vibe thing on their hotel website please?
http://www.chymorvah.co.uk/

I feel we should all be tolerant of this intolerance

Surely people who are intolerant have as much right to tollerance as everyone else?

Rumour has it, it’s even nicer than Elfin’s.

C’est not possible. Bloody liar.

…almost as bad as those pink waffer things

Those “pink wafer things” as you call them, are one of the staple foods of the vegan mountain bike endurance racer.
Right, that does it, I really am offended this time. I’m going to flounce off for a few hours.

The law in this country is pretty clear – you are not allowed to discriminate in the provision of goods and services – all must have equal access

The above sentence probably answers your concerns legally if not necessarily to your satisfaction.

But… does this ruling mean that all the Camp Sites, B&Bs, etc., that refuse single-sex parties [eg a group of male MTBers] will have to change their rules?