[Closed] Anthrax laced heroin.

you probably would be upset if it was your son or daughter

I'd imagine their parents/friends/relatives probably do.

. Is it just me

probably

i'm not sure if you realise but junkies are people too.

have a bit of compassion at this time of year, you c***

Just think of it as evolution in action.

Vigilante mix?

who gives a sh@t!

I do.

Junkies aren't the problem as they're not the cause, they're the effect of dealers shipping the stuff and importers bringing it in.

Yes, they're a cause of crime, but at that point they're addicted. If you managed to cure the cause the effect would eventually diminish.

They're as much a victim of dealers as non users are of crime. Who's worse off? Us as victims of crime or them being addicted to unregulated crap made by dick heads who don't give a **** about the folk who buy it?

It's Christmas man...have a heart.

well if folk play with fire!!!

bit like russian rouelette

Just how contagious is anthrax?

I'm guessing - quite contagious so not just smack-heads at risk?

Can't understand why people cutting drugs put lethal ingredients in them. Surely you want the addict to keep buying your product? Whatever scumbag did it is guilty of murder, pure and simple.Oh and skidypants; everybody is loved by somebody,even you have probably been laid without paying for it.

So, a second junkie has died after taking heroin cut with anthrax... Is it just me, or who gives a sh@t!

Trolling or just a ****? Hope nothing like that ever happens to someone you care about eh?

I've known at least six regular heroin users over the years - only two of them descended to the point of being a smackhead/junkie.

one of them (close family friend) died a few years ago - loss to society? Nil!

Darwinian selection in action!

Hope nothing like that ever happens to someone you care about eh?

Not really like you can compare them with an innocent victim though is it - the risk of being killed by taking illegal drugs is entirely one that you enter with your eyes open!

Edit:
Change of heart. Feeling pretty guilty about that comment. Sorry for any offence.

Change of heart

Fair enough. And good for you for having the guts to say so 8)

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Not really like you can compare them with an innocent victim though is it - the risk of being killed by taking illegal drugs is entirely one that you enter with your eyes open!

Oh piss off you self-righteous twunt. No sympathy when someone dies mountain biking or snowboarding either then eh?

merry christmas.

no one is an addict for fun, replace heroin with cigarettes/beer/fatty food and there would be a national out cry instead of tutting and words to the effect of "they deserve it".

[i]Junkies[/i]; people who tried something and liked it too much to the extent their life revolves around it. Easily done

I would love our local smack heads to all die out - am sick and tired of them / swearing / acting like tossers and being generally foul and abusive and border line criminal and aggro begging...

flame me if you want but its their choice and I am fed up of taxes being wasted on such scum trying to treat them and tying up ambulances when they OD - leave them to rot

bah humbug

paul

flame me if you want but its their choice and I am fed up of taxes being wasted on such scum trying to treat them and tying up ambulances when they OD - leave them to rot

Presumably we shouldn't waste taxes on ambulances for people who choose to go out mountain biking either then?

What lovely christmas spirit on display in this thread.

I really despise the actions of junkies, especially when their actions have an effect on their children, brought up to realise that mummy and daddy fall asleep after their daily medicine and the kids are left to fend for themselves. I'm angry that some of these kids are conceived when their parents are too out of it to realise the consequences of their actions.

However, I don't blame the junkie themselves, I blame the bastard that offered them smack in the first place. Unfortunately the user will go to such an effort to support their own addiction that common sense and morality go out the window and they may get someone else into it to support their own habit.

It's had to apportion an absolute blame, but I think the dealers should be our figures of vitriol before blaming the addicts

grumm,

I have zero xmas spirit at present as working with the great public has reduced my compassion to nil...

to reply - hardly the same comparison is it? Hmm a legal mtn biking hobby vs an illegal nasty drug taking hobby laced with often anti social activity to fund said hobby..

EG

like the local known smackhead who stole an old dears purse in the supermarket and then rang her at home to say it had been handed in so he then went round and robbed her house when she went back to the supermarket... obviously an upstanding member of society who DESERVES all the sympathy and attention of society..

I am sick of STWS tolerance at times. Lets have sympathy for victims of crime and not the perpertrators

Junkies are scum - probably were misunderstood individuals who needed support but they choose to stick a needle with a known noxious addictive agent in their arm. Zero sympathy. If you have ever suffered at the hands of an addict then maybe you would feel as I do.

Anyways merry humbug xmas

If you have ever suffered at the hands of an addict then maybe you would feel as I do.

Yeah my house was broken into and robbed a few months ago - police reckoned they were smackheads. Hasn't turned me into a horrible selfish judgemental **** though.

snowpaul
you are really wrong there, i am a bobby and come across heroin addicts all the time, they do some terrible things which they should be punished for, but for the most part they are tragic individulas who have had awful lives abd virtually no upbringing.
they take heroin to dull the pain of abuse and neglect, i have said all the above comments abouit them being better off dead, good riddance etc etc, and now regret it.
i have never met a heroin addict who likes being on heroin, EVER
heroin is a terrible drug, i have seen people steal from their own kids savings, dying mothers, etc to fund heroin
one word that sums it up TRAGIC
and thats from a heartless, hardened copper with 20 years frontline service
i must be going soft

FFS no one sets put to be a drug addict.
There is no glamour in it for either the families or the victims.
Yes they commit crime to fund their habits but I would suggest a solution there would be to give them free smack- cheap as chips and I doubt it would entice many of us to go get our free bag. Many street alcoholics do exactly the same but we have not banned booze yet have we?

I have had close friends die from Heroin abuse and from alcohol abuse. There loss was felt by many many people they were all tragic avoidable deaths by people who felt they had nothing to life for.

Addiction can affect anyone and they deserve our sympathy - would you really swap places with them?
Would you feel the same if we started lacing fags with fatal doses of cyanide?
Would you want someone to walk past you after crashing on your bike as it was your choice to take the risk?
Have some sympathy

troll
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Just how contagious is anthrax?

I always think it's a bit odd, the way that everyone has to find someone to take the blame. Mkost dealers are small time addicts who peddle a bit to fund their own addictions. The guy up the chain from him is likely to someone in a similar situation with a bit more savvy.

Next guy up the chain probably owns a gun and never touches the stuff - let's agree to blame him.

...avoidable deaths by people who felt they had nothing to live for.

The person I knew, really wanted to live - her dream was to free herself of heroin and settle down and have kids. She funded her addiction by prostitution (anything from working in massage parlours, to when she was really desperate, working the street) and shop lifting. She was kind and sensitive (she only liked to buy products from the Body Shop, because, "[i]they don't do horrible experiments to little animals[/i]" .... FFS) She was also, not that it's particularly relevant, a real stunner, and 5'11" of mostly legs, the only thing that spoilt her appearance, was the approximately 15" huge angry scar down the front of her neck and chest where someone had tried to kill her.

She was constantly being arrested, and she told me that she feared she would probably spend her 21st birthday in prison instead of celebrating it like other normal people. She never made it to her 21st, she died of a heroin overdose when she was still 20. She never stood a chance, both her mother and her step-father were/are heroin addicts, and she had been an addict since she 15. It was Christmas time when discovered she had died - I had a Christmas present for her (which of course I had bought from the Body Shop) but couldn't get hold of her, I ended up leaving it behind the bar in her local pub. A while later I managed to get hold of her mother who told me she had died. That was about 11 Christmases ago, but I still care that she isn't around.

Of course it's not all just down to personal experience, I also extend the caring whether people die, to those I don't know, and even those who I don't like - everyone has a right to life.

well said ernie!

So what would be the point of cutting your H with Anthrax?

Sounds like media bull to me. Cut it with anything other than something that is potentially going to reduce your client base.

what would be the point of cutting your H with Anthrax?

Your are assuming that the heroin was cut with anthrax. Anthrax occurs naturally, and typically in animal skins. Now I don't know what the transportation arrangements for heroin in countries such Afghanistan is, but I guess that it is conceivable that it might have contaminated with anthrax from animal skins. Heroin addicts can (and do) catch infections easily through the damaged tissue where they inject.

I would love our local smack heads to all die out - am sick and tired of them / swearing / acting like tossers and being generally foul and abusive and border line criminal and aggro begging...

flame me if you want but its their choice and I am fed up of taxes being wasted on such scum trying to treat them and tying up ambulances when they OD - leave them to rot

bah humbug

paul

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apart from

leave them to rot

You could say the same things ^^^ about chubby people, selfishly placing a huge burden on the NHS....

FFS! Did you even read ernie's sad tale ChubbyBlokeInLycra?
Did that girl deserve to die???

So nice to read charitable opinions like this at xmas. How about some eugenics and ethnic cleansing while we're at it?
Sterilising all criminals and long term unemployed would certainly improve things eh? 🙄

you could, apart from some of those chubby people ^^^^ work for a living so pay taxes and contribute to the NHS rather than sponging off benefits and theiving for a living
[url= http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2009/12/23/newsstory14302094t0.asp ]My local paper, today[/url]

Has anyone on here tried heroin*.

It is great, I enjoy is so much. Sometimes all I think about is heroin. I spend lots of time doing heroin, and spend lots of money on heroin. Some of my friends don't do heroin and think that I am mad, and may end up dead. Other friends do heroin with me.

* Substitute heroin for mountain biking / climbing / scuba diving / beer / tobacco.

Yes, heroin makes people do bad things, and it funds terrorism etc, but there is a distinct lack of compassion here......

My Aunt works for a charity that tries to rehabilitate drug addicts, there are many reasons why people become addicts, but lots of them do not want to live like this. It is so difficult to get government help to be rehabilitated, and most of the treatment provided is terrible. I have been toild of people trying to get arrested so that they can blame their addiction and get help. Unfortunately it takes lots of arrests for this to happen. If we (society) could provide decent care in the first place then this would be less of a problem. I am rambling now though.....

If we (society) could provide decent care in the first place then this would be less of a problem.

Or as Junkyard said just make heroin legal/provided by the NHS - take away the moralising and being judgemental and it's very difficult to argue otherwise.

FFS! Did you even read ernie's sad tale ChubbyBlokeInLycra?
Did that girl deserve to die???

Yes - took drugs, went on the game, did she die - sorry ernie's posts usually get too tedious to read all the way through. anyway, she did or she didn't, but either way, it was hardly a life contributing a whole load a better society was it?

Obviously addicts deserve some compassion but you just cant compare it to a hobby!

I find it amusing that people are trying to equate heroin to biking. If you knew that you could end up mugging a granny for your XTR rear mech would you have started riding?

it was hardly a life contributing a whole load a better society was it?

Unlike you being a nasty uncaring ****? It's people like you that drag society down. It's really tempting to hope you get into difficulty and have a drug problem one day. 😥

Obviously addicts deserve some compassion but you just cant compare it to a hobby!

No you're right, sorry - in one of them rich middle-class IT managers put themselves at risk of harm requiring rescue services and NHS treatment deliberately for fun, in the other usually poor and desperate people harm themselves and others as a by-product of misguided drug laws.

Yes - took drugs, went on the game, did she die

yes she died. Parents were junkies and she got started at 15.
How did she stand a chance? Not everyone gets the breaks in life!

hardly a life contributing a whole load a better society was it?

so you'd support my suggested enforced sterilisation programme then?
Should we extend it to benefit cheats?

It's people like you that drag society down

"I don't sell my body either."

Who'd want it?

so you'd support my suggested enforced sterilisation programme then?

Chunkybloke - not all people that do heroin are unemployed and steal from others to fund their habits - some have jobs, pay taxes too...... I take it that a heroin user that works and pays taxes should be treated differently and doesnt deserve to die of anthrax?????????????

Chunkybloke: you say 'No, we all have our choices to make regardless our upbringing.'

Really?

yes, go back and read it again and tell me which part you need to explained

koona, - IME every user I've met is a dole scrounging thief. Not one deserves the oxygen they breath and I would put every one of them down like a dog with rabies.

Please explain then. Some people do not have opportunities that others have.

Also, if an unemployed mountain biker injures themselves whilst riding and needed help on the NHS, should they have it, seeing as they do not pay tax?

no one chooses to become an addict.

cbilycra unless you've never had a drink, a cigarette or any kind of drug get off that high horse.

how desperate does someone have to be to mug a 89 year old women? i feel terribly sorry for that elderly lady- no one deserves that but at the same time i feel compassion for the addict; i hope i will never feel so bad, so addicted that i stoop to something so vile.

Did I say that? Feel free to post the quote of where I did.

No you said that they should be put to death by being forcefed anthrax. I was really trying to talk you down to sterilisation. But okay would all criminals be put to death by the CBIL Termination Squads or just the ones on herion?

And what about the other people that don't contribute to your utopian society?
Should they die too?

Please provide your list of approved lives so we can check we all qualify.

we all have our choices to make regardless our upbringing. Your life, your responsibility

So if you're brought up by junky parents, suffer child abuse and god knows what, then it's your own fault if you don't "choose" to go to a top university and get a nice job in the city?

Alcoholic junkie parents - I'm neither
School was hard and I was out by the age of 15. Yet somehow, I've managed to get a decent life.
As for the mountain biker comment, biking's a hobby, not a lifestyle. //junkies will rob steal to get their fix. I have never seen a headline saying a mountain biker mugged a pensioner to pay for a new chain
Stupidity's not your fault either

Also, most addicts do not want to be the way they are, they want to change, but the help is not there. Government rehabilitation programmes are a joke - they are not funded properly as there is no guarantee of success, it is all a numbers game, so much better to put money into something with a tangeable result. Also, better for the Daily Mail readers to know that the Government is putting resources into treating obesity (legal) than heroin (illegal).

No you said that they should be put to death by being forcefed anthrax

Who was "forcefed" anthrax? Didn't the junkies buy a drug already known to be regularly cut with who knows what?And aren't these excuses for humanity just creatures that most of us won't miss anyway?

Chunkybloke - is an unemployed mountain biker contributing to society? Is a working heroin user contributing? This is regardless of mugging old ladies.
Problem is that a drug like heroin is so addictive that it turns your average working person into a helpless addict quickly, they can become homeless, lose their job etc, then have to take drastic measures to survive - which I do not condone. If the help was provided then it would not be a problem (or less of a problem).
And no, stupidity is not my fault, obviously......

So if you're brought up by junky parents, suffer child abuse and god knows what, then it's your own fault if you don't "choose" i to go to a top university and get a nice job in the city?

See my previous post. I didn't go to a "top university" - or any university in fact, and I don't work in the city. I also know that there's a world of oppotunity between benefit scrounging and "the city". But then I just live my life

Moralising aside, why would a drug baron cut heroin with anthrax? I understand the economics of selling a diluted product for the same price, but anthrax?

"Hmm" says the drug baron, "what shall I dilute my product with? Sugar? Bicarb of soda? Obscure, and I would imagine difficult to acquire, biohazardous agent? Well, obviously, the third option"

??

Is a working heroin user contributing? This is regardless of mugging old ladies.
Problem is that a drug like heroin is so addictive that it turns your average working person into a helpless addict quickly, they can become homeless, lose their job etc, then have to take drastic measures to surviv

Do you need me to point out where you're contradicting yourself?

Who was "forcefed" anthrax?

YOU said that they should be...

feed them some anthrax... I would put every one of them down like a dog with rabies.

All I want to know is which other groups of people should be put to death in your Final Solution?

IHN - Member
Moralising aside, why would a drug baron cut heroin with anthrax? I understand the economics of selling a diluted product for the same price, but anthrax?

I would have thought Anthrax would be harder to get hold of than heroin so it does seem a strange choice.

One of my best and oldest mates is a smack head. He also runs a small, successful business and is a loving family man with three great kids and a lovely wife. He puts in eight hour days like the rest of us, pays his taxes and generally lives an honest and upright life.

I asked him why he hadn't tried kicking it properly (he's had a few abortive attempts) and what he's getting out of it. He reckons he's self medicating - he used to be a bit of a miserable, depressive bugger when we were at school and he is much more 'rounded' now. I still reckon he'd be fine without it now - it's been years since he was straight...

Anyhoo, my point is that he's been through the methadone programme, which just plain don't work - they have something like a 98% failure rate and most addicts just use the meth to supplement their habit - some vomit it up outside the chemist and sell it to other addicts to buy the real deal (I've seen this happen with my own eyes!!).

I have to agree with those who have recommended free smack at the tax payers expense BUT along with a sustainable rehab programme for those who want out. Drug related crime (and the related expense) would pretty much disappear, there'd be help available for those who wanted it and old ladies could walk the streets a little more safely.

What's not to like?

Heroin addiction can start off as just recreational use, which the user thinks they can control, and can use spare cash to pay for. If / when they become addicted, this is when it stops becoming recreational, and more drastic things happen. So initially I am not contradicting myself, but yes, it can lead to mugging old ladies etc.

Drug use normally starts off as recreational, which mountain biking is too, and shopping, and playing on the playstation, and posting on forums. Some of these I like, some of these I don't. Same as other people really. Unfortunately recreational use of heroin quickly leads to addiction, as said before this needs more resources put into treatment by the Government.

HOT NEWS - you can buy a drug that might kill you. Anyone who choses said drug is welcome to have it. Where did I say any one should be [b]forcefed[/b] it?
A few dead junkies - who cares? Seriously, every dead junkies is a few less mugged pensioners and a few dozen fewer houses broken into - and all for the loss of someone that no-one really cared about. how is that a bad thing?

See my previous post... Alcoholic junkie parents - I'm neither. School was hard and I was out by the age of 15. Yet somehow, I've managed to get a decent life.

But surely your parents contributed nothing and by your own teachings should be put to death?

Anthrax for chistmas this year?

Where did I say any one should be forcefed it?

err I think the first bit where you said "feed them some anthrax"?

Heroin addiction can start off as just recreational use, which the user thinks they can control, and can use spare cash to pay for. If / when they become addicted, this is when it stops becoming recreational, and more drastic things happen. So initially I am not contradicting myself, but yes, it can lead to mugging old ladies etc.

Are you familiar with the phrase "you're just talking shyte"?

Is heroin use better or worse than feeding your kids turkey dinosaurs???

But surely your parents contributed nothing and by your own teachings should be put to death?

Where did I say any one should be forcefed it?

err I think the first bit where you said "feed them some anthrax"?

Stop TALKING SHITE

[url= http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=drug+related+crime&word2=mountain+bike+related+crime ]Ok, I'm off to bed anyway[/url]

Chunkybloke - no great loss losing your parents?

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/doing-something-new-my-mums-great

I do not understand.

You may not be familiar with the concept of foster care and foster parents, it works like this - useless junkie parents abandon child to the <ahem> care of the state. State places child in dormitory type home. Home fosters child out to a variety of "caring" homes, some of which just want the "caring" allowance, others just want access to pre-teen children. Then you get someone who really care, and who really does fill that hole in your life. That's a 5 line summary of being the child of junkie parents. other benefits include knowing that you're a meal ticket to be dragged round the dole offices when they remember you're there and find you. then you get the do-gooders who think you're the way to help the useless scum get their lives back onbtrack when you, at 12 know all mummy and whatever d1ck is daddy this week want is a couple of bucks to get themselves fixed up.
I'm always happy to remember the woman who I think of as my real mother so thanks for posting that

If your parents were junkies CBIL then surely they contributed you, even if they managed nothing else? isn't that worth something? You said yourself you've now got a decent life.

If you really believe that your biological parents should have been "put down like dogs" then I honestly think you should probably consider speaking to someone professionally.