advice from pugsley or mukluk riders please

well I am in the market for a new bike and fancy a bit of a change. I have been eyeing up the surly Krampus as I think this would do as one bike for everything solution. my other option is to get a ss 29er for not too much money ( probably a Genesis fortitude ) and a fat bike. my question is do any of you ride your fat bike with mates on normal bikes? or is the speed difference just too much to make it feasible? I don’t want to only be able to ride it on my own. I ride a variety of terrain and have a real urge to get a proper fat bike.
what are your thought?
haters need not reply thanks……

Just get a 2nd pair of “skinny” (P35+Hans Dampf) wheels for ‘normal’ riding.If you get a beargrease it’ll probably be lighter than your mates bikes 😀

Go fat, you won’t look back.

Some places you’ll be slower, others you’ll be slower, the rest the same. But you’ll have a bigger smile on your face.

Coastkid and Yodagoat regularly ride normal trails on there pugsleys. In fact Yodagoat did a 35 mile Lammermuirs trip with us and was at the front the whole way , I have informed the UCI and he is getting EPO tested sometime soon.

http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/isle-of-man-end-to-end-a-fat-bike-story/

I ride my pug and my moonlander round the local forest with various folks on various bikes. Some days I am fast, some days I am slower, but mostly I smile loads

Are you a sit down type of rider? or out the saddle rider on twisty trails?

Maybe best wait until the Surly Krampus is available to test ride and what its drive chain/tyre clearance will be like – prototypes clearance looked a bit too tight for UK mud.
If you do not plan to ride soft sand on the coast then it may be a better bike for you and it will be more lively on twisty trails.

Fatbikes are fun, but… if you ride near sticky clay and clag the tyres remember you will have like 3 times the weight in mud than a normal bike to cycle/push 😀

Or… get the Surly rabbit hole rims and 3″ Knard tyres and have a 2nd wheelset for your fatty 😉 🙂

I have a 9zero7 so you’ll not be interested in my opinion, but you can ask Rickmeister how slow I was when we did the Mallaig route.

my question is do any of you ride your fat bike with mates on normal bikes?

I ride my Mukluk on rides with people on the latest blingest carbon wonder bikes and still manage to keep at the front.
I also ride a bling carbon wonder bike on other rides and struggle to keep up with the front runners on their fatbikes.

Nothing to do with what bike I’m on more to do with who i’m out with.

I really like the idea of a fatty with 2 sets of wheels. I hadn’t thought of that. will a normal 29er tyre and rim fit in a 26″ fatty?
I usually am quite a stand-up-and-hit-it type rider so I think the krampus would be good but like I said I’m looking for a change. I’m a bit worried the Krampus will be like a trail bike……
Is the mukluk much lighter than the pug ? anyone ridden both?

Looky here.
http://twentynineinches.com/2012/04/19/fat-bike-29er-wheel-set-first-impressions/

Rorschach – Member
http://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/isle-of-man-end-to-end-a-fat-bike-story/

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I think I’m only about 5 to 10% slower on my Fat Bike than my race Niner on trails that are 1 to 4 hours long but it’s so much more enjoyable on the Fat bike.
It’s not really an All Moutain type bike but from beach & sea level to most things here in the UK it’s perfect.

The Krampus feels a lot more nimble in steering terms than my Pugsley, but not as easy to loft the front end but I’ve only given it a brief spin. I was surprised actually that the stays on the Krampus are shorter than the Pug, given that the wheels are about 32″ in diameter (I think – memory isn’t what it used to be).

Basically, whether you keep up with your mates will depend on a lot ore than just what bike you’re riding, but I’m pretty sure I’ll be riding the Pug all winter.

I’m running Surly Nates on my 907. My usual loop starts with about four miles of road, mostly uphill which normally takes about 33-35 mins on my normal bikes. I timed the fat bike at 37 mins but it does feel slower….

I am prepared to struggle a bit, it sounds like It would be a good option for me. I will make a few calls….
if I go proper Fat is it worth looking at the beargrease to try to save some weight?
Help !!!!! I feel an irresistable urge to buy the ugliest bike I have ever seen.

Beargrease is 2.4k and 28.5lb,Mukluk 2 is 1.9k and 33.5lb.
500 spleen well spent imo (and it looks teh AWESOME).

can you tell I want one?….and a Krampus…..and a Ti warbird….and a…..

If the Beargrease had been available when i bought my Mukluk i’d have gone for that instead.

The 2013 Mukluks have had a geometry tweek to make them more trail orientated, whereas the Beargrease is the ‘old’ Mukluk geo. It also has an aluminium fork. Do you guys think this will swing the trail worthiness more toward the 2013 Muks rather than the Beargrease?

Nimo… Pop over and take my pugsley out down the beach….

The geometry differences are not that drastic, just throw in a little more body language and you will be fine, they all go around corners.

Or waIt for the On One. It’s been designed as a trail bike, not a snow/sand bike.

Yeah waitin’ and waitin’ for more news on the On One. Sure sounds like a good price.

I’ve never had much of an issue with the geometry of my Pugsley when riding on trails or anywhere else. You just need to feel the flow and evolve with the trail. 😉
Don’t bother spending loads of money trying to make a fatbike lighter either, it’ll just make you slower. Just ride it as much as possible and you’ll be fine.

Maybe I need to man up a bit, but really thought a light fat bike would be worth the investment. Curently riding two fat front 29ers. One is a light rigid ss, the other has gears and front suss. The light one is way nicer to ride.

You’ll get way fitter and stronger riding a heavy bike, plus a lightweight fatbike might float away.

‘Yoda’, profound your powers of persuasion are. 🙂

Yoda , ‘Trails are just like the season Maaaaan , They come and go. Constantly evolving ever changing”. 😀

Every time I look at that Beargrease I mentally go through which of my bikes I’d have to sell to buy one…

By constantly thinking about what bike you ride you’re killing things. Things like flow, joy, interaction, purpose, and another way through the world is lost. Not by one particular person, but by instinct.
Survival, the very chaos of life itself.
When it comes to trails, when the builder puts down the shovel and picks up the bike, when creation overrides destruction, well, that’s living.

yodagoat probably also writes most of the spam emails for gentelemans products that I get these day.

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😀 😀 😀

Just spat my coffee over the laptop.

Everytime I look at the beargrease I cant believe It cost 2.4k , thats a fairly obscene amount for a fatbike but I better hold my toungue or Ill be seen as being negative. 😀

If I win the lotto I’ll buy a nice fatbike and a Shand ‘Stoater’ to add to the collection.

Yoda, you are my new Guru! 🙂

Yodagoat is powered by swearing.

That is all.

Life is a river. For many of us all life’s connections, all it beauty, sails past. Funny thing is, the river’s never far off. I’m all about those connections.
Sure we did and we cut, we reap and we sow, and we do great damage. But we’re also capable of great good. After all, no matter how smart we think we are, we’re just another part of the mystery.
Balance a bike right. Keep the pedals turned. Forget about everything except right now and there’s nowhere you can’t ride.

^^^^^^ I’m wellin up , Maaaan. 😀

I like to go fast. I love swoopin round corners too. My fatbike is well more fun than my Specialized Allez.

Life is a river. For many of us all life’s connections, all it beauty, sails past. Funny thing is, the river’s never far off. I’m all about those connections.
Sure we did and we cut, we reap and we sow, and we do great damage. But we’re also capable of great good. After all, no matter how smart we think we are, we’re just another part of the mystery.
Balance a bike right. Keep the pedals turned. Forget about everything except right now and there’s nowhere you can’t ride.

You can quote as much of that film as you like – it’s still a shit film

We finally have a bite!

Lots of the fuds on here don’t like fatbikes any ways. Now don’t interrupt my flow in the future dude.