Adobe Creative Cloud photography plan

And how do you edit those then? If I can’t open and edit a file its no use to me. So how does supplying me with a PDF help me, if I need print ready indesign files to work on?

Dunno, like I said I mainly use Illustrator. Can you not load a PDF into InDesign then?

Oh yeah, forgot the font search feature – that was very welcome! Must save me almost a minute every day. All adds up though…

Can you not load a PDF into InDesign then?

No

I’ll tell you what… next time any of you lot who are defending Adobe’s business model are in the market for a new car, bike or any other big ticket purchase, could you give me a shout.. I reckon I could sort you out a cracking deal

Can you not load a PDF into InDesign then?

You can place one, but not edit it.

You can open them in Illustrator, but a PDF (depending on how it;s created) strips out a lot of important data. It’s a right faff to work with – the odd page is OK, but not loads.

I’ve used LR since it was Pixmantec’s RawShooter Pro. I brought a standalone upgrade from 4.4 to 6 when it became clear that Adobe were bending people over a log with subscription lock ins and I wanted up to date raw support. I totally agree with Binnrs summation of Adobe’s business model.

However I have very recently brought DXO’s OpticPro 10. It does not have any of the cataloging features of LR but limited playing has shown it to be very good with noise management.

Worth a look IMO

Is there not a conversion tool to convert old files into the newer ones? Poor show if not. MS word can open 20 year old files.

You can place one, but not edit it.

You can open them in Illustrator, but a PDF (depending on how it;s created) strips out a lot of important data. It’s a right faff to work with – the odd page is OK, but not loads.Fair enough. A quick Google brings up PDF2ID, never used it though (or inDesign really) so can’t comment as to it’s effectiveness. Of course, the alternative is just stop being a martyr and suck it up. 🙂

You can open them in Illustrator, but a PDF (depending on how it;s created) strips out a lot of important data. It’s a right faff to work with – the odd page is OK, but not loads.

As long as the “Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities” box is ticked I’ve not noticed any oddities.

Of course, the alternative is just stop being a martyr and suck it up.

Exactly what I have been doing. But its Friday afternoon, and this is STW. So I demand my god given right to be a whiney middle class cockbag, and bang on and on and on about my petty first world problems 😉

A think a lot of the contention on this thread is (as I think someone may have already pointed out) down to the fact that LR is, really, a professional tool.

Some people on here are clearly professionals, and, unless I’m the only one, some people are just enthusiasts. They’re two very different use cases, with different requirements and probably needing different business models, and trying to argue the point from both sides isn’t going to get us anywhere.

As long as the “Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities” box is ticked I’ve not noticed any oddities.

Works if the PDF is created in Illustrator. If the PDF is created by InDesign there isn’t that option.

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I’m know the exact mechanics, I’m still working on CS3 and i manage. It’s easy enough!
Do you use it on a daily basis seosamh77?

Tbh in here they get by, as it’s a specific set production so they don’t need to upgrade, no chance they will tbh.

I deal with supplied file type for all the work over and above, indesign files are the sticky ones. i’d need to ask you to save back (cs3 is a big issue there these days tbh, I tend just to recreate from pdf if necessary, it’s easy enough to open a pdf in illy and take copy paste into indesign), illy files are no bother, you just place the ai or eps in an indesign doc, export as pdf and then you can open in any version of illy. tattieshop files, i’ve never really had much of a bother with.

it can be a pain in the bugger particularly indesign as far back as CS3. But it’s doable, CC to CS6 will be easier. (i’ve got a hooky verison of CS6 on my personal laptop, just so I’m up to date.).

tbh CC does change things, as in a few year you will need to be on it if you don’t want to fall behind. I’ve always take the view since tattieshop 4 that i don’t really mind if i’m a version or 2 behind, nothing much significant changes from version to version. with CC though, that obvious path becomes heavily blurred.

Works if the PDF is created in Illustrator. If the PDF is created by InDesign there isn’t that option.

Fair enough (again!) Yes I can attest to PDFs created without that option being a right pain in the arse.

seosamh77 – I’ve worked on about 15 InDesign files today. That amount of faffage would very quickly become an absolute ball-ache

I have recently subscribed to the CC package, at £6.95 p/m. I can understand your frustrations binners. I did look at it as a bit of a move by adobe. I upgraded as I bought a new PC. My old PC was really struggling with photo and video editing, despite RAM upgrades, the processor simply wouldn’t cut it. I was using CS3/Vega Platinum for a long time.

It’ll be interesting to see if the prices change.

binners – Member
seosamh77 – I’ve worked on about 15 InDesign files today. That amount of faffage would very quickly become an absolute ball-ache

i can understand your point if you are getting supplied files left right and centre. You are pretty much forced to upgrade. my job is to sort out the faffage and keep these idiots in here up and running, so I don’t need cutting edge.

i can see why you are irked, i may well be too if i’d loads of external files to contend with, I do understand your predicament.

Out of curiosity, if you had been on a subscription service over the last 15 years(since cs1), would you be up or down cash wise?

basically, have you given Adobe more or less than £8100 (edited based on 15 years @ £45) over the last 15 years?

That’s an interesting point seosamh. I do think that at the present subscription pricing is pretty reasonable. £45 a month is ok for a professional tool. The trouble is that I know the way Adobe exploits its monopoly. Once they’ve shifted everyone over to the subscription model, I can see the prices sky-rocketing. Because theres no competition, they can demand what they want, and you’ve no option but to pay it

Its what they did once they’d established CS. I don’t doubt for a second that they’ll do it again

I have recently subscribed to the CC package, at £6.95 p/m.

Whats that for Col. Just Lightroom?

Anyway – it’s all dirt cheap nowadays. Waaay back in history our first Mac and LaserWriter II cost £12,000 without software! 😀

However I have very recently brought DXO’s OpticPro 10. It does not have any of the cataloging features of LR but limited playing has shown it to be very good with noise management.

+1 for DXO OpticPro. Also worth checking out Zoner Photo Studio, the file browsing is loads quicker than Lightroom. Unfortunately I have several hundred thousand files stuck in Lightroom. 🙁

Adobe Cloud makes a lot of sense in a professional environment as it’s a predictable expense, the trouble is that a large proportion of Lightroom users are enthusiastic amateurs (encouraged by just about every photography magazine you can buy)….

binners, aye guess that’s a wait and see..

Because theres no competition

What?

I got LR 5.3 free with an Epson Printer. It’s OK, but I actually prefer Picassa for general photo management.

You can get a free 30 day trial of Capture One from their website, might be worth a look as an alternative to Lightroom.

Unfortunately I have several hundred thousand files stuck in Lightroom

Stuck how, exactly?

Zoner Pro – what about processing large numbers of RAW images..?

Of course, for ultimate sanctimonious cockbaggery, you should be on Linux and using a massive suite of free programs:

My Open Source Photography Workflow

FWIW, I reluctantly signed up to LR CC as it’s the only one that currently appears to support my camera’s RAW files. Still own CS5.5 and LR5 (not paid for by me 🙂 ).

I already am on Linux 🙂

A quick scan through that link shows darktable has selective editing with masks.. I like that idea.

I’m using CS6 at work but have CS4 at home.

You can Export an IDML file from CS6 which will then open in CS4.

Can you do the same in CC so you can open in an older package?

MM

Zoner Photo Studio Pro looks good – anyone got any experience?

I’m using CS6 at work but have CS4 at home.

You can Export an IDML file from CS6 which will then open in CS4.

Can you do the same in CC so you can open in an older package?

MM

Same deal, but you can get a pluggin for Cs6 if you subscribed to the cloud and you’ll be able to open native CC documents. If you aren’t subscribed, you’ll need to rely on idml files, which go back to cs4. To cs3, you need to save out an inx file from cs4. Funkiness starts happening if you go from cs3 to cs2.

I tried a few trials
lightroom
zoner pro
acdsee pro/ultimate
dx0
a couple of others i forget..

wasnt happy with lightroom subscription or its speed/performance on my laptop and prefer capture one.
sure its got its quirks like they all have but c1 is a nice quality raw developer and is pretty fast.

Whats that for Col. Just Lightroom?

Photoshop and Lightroom.

So we’re saying there’s no decent alternative to LR then?

Capture one. Better conversion than Adobe and handles noise and moire better too, it’s the industry standard tethering software too, I don’t know any photographers who don’t own a copy. (I don’t know if it’s used much by wedding or amateur photographers)
What’s the problem with paying for 2 very powerful pieces of software for the price of 2 frothy Starbucks coffee concoctions? I owned PS6 but now subscribe and it works out about the same as doing it the old way (missing out an update and waiting for the next one)

I use the CC Photography Plan.

Simply put, it’s a bargain. You get all the updates instantly without having the payout for the upgrade like you have to if you own standalone versions.

Lightroom remains my weapon of choice. PS I use rarely, but it’s one of those things that you can always do without until that one photo crops up every now and again…

I don’t bother with online storage. It’s a great idea in theory, but in practice even with the fastest connection it still takes forever to backup an existing library. If you do it from day 0 uploading each batch of photos as you go I can imagine it’s a good thing, but uploading and pulling large volumes of data at short notice is a no go.