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  • 2019 General Election
  • rone
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    Agreed.

    It just doesn’t produce the soundbites which is what I think drives this stuff. I think broadcasters fighting for attention chase this for impact.

    It’s a both a shame and product of our over-consumption of media.

    oikeith
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    Nightmare, but I’m not sure how this policy helps you:

    Would the employee as opposed to accepting the zero hours contract be able to agree a contract for x days or hours per week so this situation doesn’t occur? or have I misunderstood?

    binners
    Full Member

    Its no wonder that the Tories are threatening Channel 4. And thats what they’re blatantly doing. Its not even veiled

    Channel 4 news is the best independent source of news in the country IMHO, and takes its remit of holding the government to account very seriously.

    Just look at what 9 years of threats have done to the impartiality of the BBC and the quality of its journalism.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Johnson getting destroyed on Nick Ferrari phone in

    No wonder he’s too terrified to face Andrew Neil!

    I bet his handlers are desperate to keep him away from that one

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Biased media ?

    rone
    Full Member

    I bet his handlers are desperate to keep him away from that one

    I know.

    Was there a time when the consensus was he was a great orator ? I’m sure there was.

    I mean … bloody hell.

    LBC (Let’s Blame Corbyn) is definitely right of centre.

    Not so bad as Talk radio though.

    rone
    Full Member

    That’s video clip is very telling. Wow.

    He’s always insisted on brick instead of cladding. WTF. When? How? (Grenfell).

    v8ninety
    Full Member

    I suspect a soft interview actually acheives a lot more than a hard interview.

    There’s a massive difference between a soft interview and a sympathetic interview though. A right leaning interviewer has no motivation to dig.
    (Edit; as evidenced above 🙄🙄🙄)

    DrJ
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    From today’s Grauniad – a piece about Morecambe:

    On Tuesday this week, 56-year-old Lloyd Barratt (not his real name) tried to book a routine appointment to see a GP at Bay Medical, using the app. He has epilepsy, a brain aneurysm, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis and irritable bowel syndrome, and needs to see a GP every four to five weeks. There was nothing available before Christmas. “Not an unusual occurrence,” he said.

    Barratt is a life-long Labour voter who was planning to vote for the Brexit party until Nigel Farage decided not to contest Tory-held seats. He said he could only support Labour if the party fulfilled its 2017 manifesto pledge of honouring the result of the EU referendum and remains undecided how to vote on 12 December.

    This is the sort of prize idiot that gives democracy a bad name. He is himself suffering from the decline in the NHS, ignores the likely impact of privatisation post-Brexit, and is still thinking of voting Tory.

    rone
    Full Member

    A right leaning interviewer has no motivation to dig

    Well there are different levels are ‘right’ aren’t there?

    kelvin
    Full Member

    That’s video clip is very telling. Wow.

    No, the video clip tells you nothing. Johnson was told to wrap up his long rambling answer with a hand gesture, which he mimicked back with a smirk.

    Social media is worse for misinformation than radio or TV.

    Agree with Binners about C4 News, they are prepared to call a lie a lie, which is why Farage and Johnson stay well away from it.

    No GP appointments this side of Xmas here either DrJ. The Tories promised 5000 additional GPs. England now has thousands fewer MPs, not more. Anyone inclined to believe the Tories when it comes to the NHS this time needs a shaking. The Leave campaigns using the NHS logo and implying Brexit will improve the NHS has utterly perverted our democracy.

    outofbreath
    Free Member

    LBC (Let’s Blame Corbyn) is definitely right of centre.

    The only LBC output I listen to is Iain Dale’s podcasts and, in spite of the fact he’s a brexiteer and an ex-Tory candidate ,his interviews are straight down the middle and it’s very clear he takes pride in that. Even life long friends don’t get spared the tricky (but fair) questions.

    I’m very suspicious of all claims of bias about interviewers [1]. If they’re biased they’re doing a bad job. How many of us would deliberately and openly do our job badly to further our political leanings? “Sorry, I put spelling errors in that document because I’m a green party supporter and I wanted to help them.” I just don’t buy it.

    [1] Obvs I’m talking about interviewers who are supposed to be un-biased. Clearly if you’re interviewing for the Guardian/Mirror/Express/Mail you’re going to be openly biased the way your readers are paying you to be.

    nickc
    Full Member

    LBC (Let’s Blame Corbyn) is definitely right of centre.

    I keep hearing this, but I’m not sure. certainly Nick Ferrari is, but the rest of the days broadcasting James O’Brien, Shelagh Fogerty and Eddie Mair could hardly be described as right of centre.

    DrJ
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    I’m very suspicious of all claims of bias about interviewers [1]. If they’re biased they’re doing a bad job. How many of us would deliberately and openly do our job badly to further our political leanings? “Sorry, I put spelling errors in that document because I’m a green party supporter and I wanted to help them.” I just don’t buy it.

    Well if your boss were politically biased (like Sarah Sands on R4Today), it might seem like a smart move.

    nickc
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    I’m very suspicious of all claims of bias about interviewers

    Boris used to be the editor of the Spectator, Andrew Neill used to/still does (can’t remember) sits on the board of the company that owns the Spectator, Dominic Cummings wife writes for the Spectator…I’m going to call bias.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    So why is Johnson avoiding the interview?

    Neil absolutely is biased toward the Conservatives, and presumably Johnson as well, but he’d still carry out the interview in a stringent way, and pull Johnson apart.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Neil wont let him get away with not answering the question, the way Ferrai is

    he’s got tough questions from callers, waffled, Ferrari asks him once to answer it then moves on

    Neil would push for an answer

    binners
    Full Member

    Boris Johnson hoping to pick up a pair of balls in the Black Friday sales

    You can put your house on Boris Johnson going nowhere near any studio that has Andrew Neil in it, on account of being a spineless shithouse who knows full-well he’d be exposed for the bumbling lying fool that he is

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Nobody else in this thread can see how either.

    I gave you a suggestion as to how it could work but you seem not to have noticed. I CAN see how it could work.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Sorry molgrips, without details from Labour it is not a policy, and at best we should just discount and ignore it (rather than attempt to scrutinise it).

    molgrips
    Free Member

    You can put your house on Boris Johnson going nowhere near any studio that has Andrew Neil in it

    Simple solution. Just set the interview up with someone else that he likes, then just as it starts and the cameras are rolling, swap the interviewer for Neil. Watch him either whinge, blow up or walk out on live telly.

    nickc
    Full Member

    So why is Johnson avoiding the interview?

    Have a listen to Nick Ferrari’s interview this morning. Ferrari is a dyed in the wool Tory, and yet even under his interview tickling, Boris falls to bits like a Jenga Tower. To make it look anything like probing; Neill would have to ask questions that Boris simply won’t remember the right answer, make stuff up on the spot to get himself out of a squeeze, or just lie, and I reckon central office has decided that the fall out from not doing the interview is less trouble than going on before the postal votes have been cast.

    molgrips
    Free Member

    Sorry molgrips, without details from Labour it is not a policy, and at best we should just discount and ignore it (rather than attempt to scrutinise it).

    No I agree it’s not a policy. That’s exactly my point – people are extrapolating to suit their own political agenda, I’m just doing the same on the other side for a bit of balance, and to point out that their extrapolations are baseless. It COULD be a dog’s breakfast but just the same it COULD work out well – we just don’t know so it’s too early to condemn.

    mariner
    Free Member

    Not a fan of msm or the guardian therefore hesitate to recommend a piece in todays independant but I will.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-election-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-labour-tories-poll-a9223126.html

    rone
    Full Member

    I keep hearing this, but I’m not sure. certainly Nick Ferrari is, but the rest of the days broadcasting James O’Brien, Shelagh Fogerty and Eddie Mair could hardly be described as right of centre.

    Fair point but when you factor in Andrew Castle, Iain Dale, Nick Ferrari, Maajid Nawax (especially fanatical), Nigel Farage, Tom Swarbrick. That lot bring it over to centre right.

    rone
    Full Member

    No, the video clip tells you nothing. Johnson was told to wrap up his long rambling answer with a hand gesture, which he mimicked back with a smirk.

    Social media is worse for misinformation than radio or TV.

    So you agree the video clip tells you something? Looked likea grimace to me.

    ctk
    Full Member

    Are Labour really pushing the Andrew Neil/Boris scared thing? They should, you can be sure the Tories would. Also its this kind of thing that gets through to people who are not really engaged in politics.

    ctk
    Full Member

    What has he got to hide? should be the attack line.

    martinhutch
    Full Member

    Are Labour really pushing the Andrew Neil/Boris scared thing? They should, you can be sure the Tories would.

    They already have, pre-election.

    outofbreath
    Free Member

    It COULD be a dog’s breakfast but just the same it COULD work out well – we just don’t know so it’s too early to condemn.

    No, there is literally no way it can work out well. There is no legslative way to solve the problem that that “No-one’s banning casual working. That would be utterly insane.” and yet some people are only able to find casual work.

    I gave you a suggestion as to how it could work but you seem not to have noticed.

    I didn’t respond to spare your blushes but let’s go: A guy wanting a saturday worker has to advertize longer hours but the worker can work less hours if he wants? What if the worker wants the full advertized hours? Depending on how you frame the rules it’s either a ban on casual Labour or no meaningful change to the status quo.

    Iain Dale

    I listen to a lot of Iain Dale’s output, his interviews are not biased, it’s very clear he takes pride in being a good interviewer and that means unbiased. He interviewed Anne Widecombe the other week. They’re friends and fellow brexiteers. He asked her all the difficult questions an interviewer should. The guy is a pro.

    Pro Musicians can play genres they don’t like. Lawyers can argue cases they don’t agree with and interviewers can ask difficult questions that are contrary to their personal views.

    Boris used to be the editor of the Spectator, Andrew Neill used to/still does (can’t remember) sits on the board of the company that owns the Spectator, Dominic Cummings wife writes for the Spectator…I’m going to call bias.

    Boris obvs doesn’t agree because he’s ducking the interview and I suspect he knows better than us.

    binners
    Full Member

    Not a fan of msm or the guardian

    Where the hell did the term MSM come from? Because its bloody irritating. Its not the Main Stream media, its just the media. Same as its always been. The term seems to imply that there’s some secret font of wisdom and truth that only a select wise few have access too

    The Canary, Skwawkbox and such are not some independent news source. They’re as much peddlers of propaganda as CCHQ’s Factcheck or the Daily Mail/Telegraph.

    kelvin
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    ctk
    Full Member

    Of course there are ways to sort zero hours contract injustices. You have to make it more worth while for emplyers to give people contracts. Carrot and stick.

    outofbreath
    Free Member

    Of course there are ways to sort zero hours contract injustices. You have to make it more worth while for emplyers to give people contracts. Carrot and stick.

    We’re talking about the very specific “banning zero hours contracts” manifesto promise.

    “sort zero hours contract injustices” is a far, far, broader topic.

    kelvin
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    cinnamon_girl
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    https://www.mpsonline.org.uk/

    Takes a while for the post to stop though, so even if you sign up, you may still get some unwanted mail for a while afterwards

    Thanks @nickc but was rather hoping that there would be some written guidance on how many times a political party is allowed to write to members of the public.

    And this morning I have yet another LibDems communication persnally addressed to me, am returning it with “not known at this address” scrawled across. Out of all the parties they send the most.

    Also in today’s post is a personally addressed letter from a “Polling and Elections Expert” urging me to vote for the LibDems. I haven’t consented to my personal details being made available to all and sundry so where do I stand with GDPR? Anyone know?

    binners
    Full Member

    Has anybody else been getting the Facebook adverts from obscure groups? I had one pop up so I had a look into the smallprint about who was funding it. Turns out its a Tory MP, and the Tory’s are doing this to exploit a loophole in the law about funding of political parties

    I just found this article on it in PR Week

    Who’s behind the obscure groups funding election atatck campaigns on Facebook?

    kelvin
    Full Member

    The Leave team have completely screwed our political discourse for a generation. Not sure who learnt most from the other, them or Trump’s team(s)? Perhaps it’s a feedback loop. (Don’t mention that Putin has used these skills for far longer).

    kimbers
    Full Member

    kelvin

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    That’s video clip is very telling. Wow.

    No, the video clip tells you nothing. Johnson was told to wrap up his long rambling answer with a hand gesture, which he mimicked back with a smirk.

    Neither the PM or Nick Ferrari agree with that excuse Kelvin

    cinnamon_girl
    Full Member

    And this morning I have yet another LibDems communication persnally addressed to me, am returning it with “not known at this address” scrawled across. Out of all the parties they send the most.

    Eventually found out how to opt out of communications from this forest destroying political party. They don’t make it easy.

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