Jeez, the Labour proposal was to ban zero hours contracts unless both sides agreed it suited them, ie they could be voluntary but not compulsory. There’s no mileage trying to be clever about it

I dislike Corbyn probably as much as McCarthy would have.

Jeez, the Labour proposal was to ban zero hours contracts unless both sides agreed it suited them, ie they could be voluntary but not compulsory.

Where’s you link for that, that’s not what the manifesto says. (If that *was* the policy it would just be maintaining the status quo.)

I don’t know if the policy is fully spelled out, however it would be safe to assume.thwt they won’t draft laws that are simply the statements out of their manifesto. The law making process is a bit more involved.

The intention is to prevent people from being forced into zero hours contracts, presumably by making employers offer a decent number of hours. The employee could then be free to ask for a.lower number if they want.

Not hard to see how this could be the positive change that Labour are intending.

Maybe a start would be an automatic opt out unless you purposely sign up, a bit like the EU working time regulations but the opposite.

I agree that highly flexible hours might suit some people, they could do 5 hours at sports direct on a Monday, 3 hours at a coffee shop on Wednesday etc.

The big thing in my mind is that that if you work on a zero hours contract at the moment, you have to be available at beck and call and if you can’t be, because your doing another zero hours contract, or doing a school run, they can just sack you off.

It’s like slavery.

I have worked on a zero hours contract. My choice. I was also free to take up other work if I wanted, free to refuse work if I wanted, did not have to be on call to take work.

that sort of zero hours contract is fine and not abusive.

What is not acceptable is to be unable to take up other work and to have to agree to work when called. that is abusive.

Johnson saying he wants to revoke C4 s license because they empty chaired him

He really is the most remarkable coward, isn’t he!

No, all I’ve got is a single sentence.

There isn’t a policy, just an aim. If you can’t explain what you’ll do, people have to either fill in the blanks, or assume you’re floating farts. No more “we have a plan, it’s the best plan, the greatest plan, we just can’t tell you what it is”. That’s not good enough, from any party. 2016 and its aftermath should be warning enough. It’s no better than assurances from Johnson that his party has a plan for social care… we just can’t see it or scrutinise it. Don’t accept such empty fluff from politicians.

Anyway, just made the mistake of watching BBC The Papers, they saying that Johnson had the right approach to the C4 debate because it had made the Conservative Party complaints the front page story ON THE TELEGRAPH instead of the climate debate and issues. THE TELEGRAPH. As if Johnson and the paper were in no way connected.

I’ve worked on a zero hours contract. In fact, it’s pretty common round where I currently live. No one has any issue with it as it provides “freedom” in both directions, employees being able to take up other work as they desire.

No one has any issue with it as it provides “freedom” in both directions, employees being able to take up other work as they desire.

I was under the impression that there will be a silent chunk of people who get shafted because of this flexibility and Labour are interested in those people – rather than the ones who can make it work, that are happy with it – and perhaps have other good life choices available to them.

Gove never fails to sink below expectations , which is impressive considering my opinion of him already!

Tories threatenin C4 s license is all getting a bit orwellian

Anyone hear Gavin Williamson on 5live earlier?
An embarrassment; failed to answer a single question directly.
Asked to comment on johnson’s insults – melon faced piccaninnies, letter box wearing, bumboys etc – in the context of candidates being stood down for equally offensive comments on social media he prattled on about johnson’s focus being on uniting the divided UK.
Nicky Campbell attempted, repeatedly, to get a clear answer but….nothing.
What a useless prick; from tory perspective, another tool to deflect criticism away from johnson.

I have a zero hours contract and for the last 3 weeks its been that – previously working 2-3 days per week since April and now nothing. I’ve also been denied any holiday – many employers are abusing the system.

(No comments about Corbyn being useless that’s just not my view – let’s assume for the sake of argument the Tories are just awful anyway.)

Sorry, you can’t discuss why Johnson can get away with so much without discussing the only alternative the voters think, under FPTP, they have in front of them at this election in most of England. And it’s worse than them just winning an election… the Conservatives have only been able to move further and further right thanks to having an opponent they think they don’t have to fight for heart and minds of huge swathes of Britain where Labour should be a dangerous opponent for them.

Now he’s sent his dad onto Breakfast telly with a note for teacher.

Looks like Boris is also trying to replace an evisceration from Neil with a light prodding from Andrew Marr instead. BBC should book him, then replace Marr with Neil due to a ‘diary clash’ at the last minute.

I have a zero hours contract and for the last 3 weeks its been that – previously working 2-3 days per week since April and now nothing. I’ve also been denied any holiday

Nightmare, but I’m not sure how this policy helps you:

We will tackle insecurity by … Banning zero-hour contract

We will end insecurity and exploitation by ending zero-hours contracts

Nobody else in this thread can see how either. They’ll have to either set a ludicrously low number of compulsory hours, or just leave the EU and end compulsory contracts for work because as Molegrips says:

No-one’s banning casual working. That would be utterly insane.

The best policy on contract hours I’ve heard is the Lib Dems – you don’t impose minimum legal contract hours, or end the requirement for contracts but below a certain number of hours the salary has to go up.

Hope you get a full time job soon.

One question: How bad would the Tories have to be (or just Johnson) before the public turned their backs in disgust?

This for me has been the hardest part to deal with in this election. Obviously the way things work with FPTP does screw things up a bit, but my gut feeling at the start of this would be that pretty much all remainer Torys , especially in safe Tory seats would vote LD as a protest. The LDs offer remainer moderate Conservatives an easy way out, without voting for Corbyn. If the polls play out, they just haven’t taken that opportunity.

Which has led me to believe that the number of actual true moderate Conservative supporters is woefully low. Ergo a massive chunk of the population are either really just selfish, self centered nasty people, or just blind to what the Torys have become.

I really do have no idea how bad they have to get before people start to desert them.

Constituency level betting odds if anyone’s interested
https://www.paddypower.com/politics/england-constituencies-a-d

I don’t agree with Ferrari on most topics but he’s at least a dignified interviewer compared to the vitriol coming from Andrew Neil’s gob.

Boris in LBC now currently getting a bit of gentle ripping by Ferrari.

And even under this gentlest of prodding he falls apart…