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2019 General Election
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frankconwayFull MemberPosted 4 years ago
rayban – based on your post above re a Norwich voter, I can’t decide if you’re a troll or an ignorant p***k.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt – you are both.kayla1Free MemberPosted 4 years agoI take my earlier post back. People over 60 should have the vote taken from them.
+ a bazillion. I’ll happily give mine up when I’m 60 if I can retire on a decent state pension.
mrlebowskiFree MemberPosted 4 years agoSo are we still sure Labour is a remain party?
With a Brexiteer like JC in charge they never have been..
kerleyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI take my earlier post back. People over 60 should have the vote taken from them
Done, I will change it from 16 – 60. I will get on and implement it. Do you still want me to call it the final solution? Will help it get backing from Labour party.
nickcFull MemberPosted 4 years ago@martinhutch, Yes your right, huge pressure, I’m sure. Personally I think much more effort should’ve been spent challenging Labour leave voters to show them that their vote in 2016 has been subsumed into a louder right wing movement, and that they should back remain, but the Labour executive has been long conflicted by Brexit, and I don’t think is sure of it’s position even now
I think Corbyn et al realised a while ago that their votes to leave have been co-opted by an always stronger, better financed right wing leave campaign. There was after all no caveat in 2016, there was no addendum that showed that one wanted to leave but not in a right wing way, but in a more agreeable socialist way…and that they’ve been played.
Aah, we are where we are, those leave Labour votes need to come on-side, but without scaring the remain (and larger) part of the party. It’s a balancing act that is doomed in our un-nuanced system I think
kelvinFull MemberPosted 4 years agoI didn’t mean to be funny kayla1… I was calling for people not to get angry at someone because they were upset due to the lies and twisted “facts” spread by Johnson, Gove, Cummings & Co… concentrate on stopping Johnson, or he’ll keep using the same tactics, and we’ll head into a hole of a very Orwellian nature that we might not climb back out of in our lifetimes.
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoAnd as predicted, British companies panic and take measures to protect themselves.
The Labour party’s plans to take large parts of the energy industry back under public control is on a collision course with EU laws that guard Europe-owned companies against government takeovers.
The EU rules mean a Labour administration could face rising costs or a legal battle in European courts over plans to pay a discount to nationalise energy networks and the big six energy suppliers.
British companies that are not covered by the ECT have already set up offshore holdings to take advantage of similar bilateral agreements with tax havens such as Hong Kong, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Singapore.
SSE, which owns two energy networks and is the UK’s second largest energy supplier, told the Sunday Times that it had moved the assets into a new Swiss holding company. In the same report National Grid said it had shifted its gas and electricity transmission arm into subsidiaries based in Luxembourg and Hong Kong.
UK Power Networks is also understood to be protected by a bilateral treaty because it has been owned since 2010 by CKI, an investor based in Hong Kong
I’m quite hurt that the Guardian didn’t pick up that I moved my pension stock out of Uk listed companies. 🙁
kayla1Free MemberPosted 4 years agoI didn’t mean to be funny… I was calling for people not to get angry about someone being upset due to the lies and twisted “facts” spread by Johnson, Gove, Cummings & Co… vote to stop Johnson, or he’ll keep using the same tactics, and we’re heading into a hole…
I just google image searched them and I didn’t realise they were actual FB ads (they were, weren’t they?) I thought they were Daily Mash style piss takes of how brexiters think 😬
steviousFull MemberPosted 4 years agoJust having a did and trying to understand the recent poll a bit better. Found this, that some of you might find interesting:
https://www.ft.com/video/d358c454-776e-4a1e-993c-914f5b329b04
I have a question though: does the YouGov poll capture the recent spike in younger voter registration?
kelvinFull MemberPosted 4 years agoI thought they were Daily Mash style piss takes of how brexiters think
No. Real. Part of the targeted marketing that caused the uptick in support for Leave in the final weeks of the referendum campaign. That and polar bears and bullfighting. The same people are about to win a minimum of 5 years to embed themselves further into the seat of power in the UK. Do anything you can to prevent your seat returning a Johnson backing MP, please.
kayla1Free MemberPosted 4 years agoNo worries here on that score, we live in a very safe Labour seat but I’ll still be voting for them to hammer the point home.
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoCan somone tell me the new minimum contract hours Labour will be enforcing? They say zero hours contracts will be banned, what they don’t say is what the new minimum contract hours will be? I assume they’re not banning part time work all together.
So what? 37 hours? 8 hours? 4 hours?
When I was a student I dropped my Supermarket job down to one evening shift of 3.25 hours at exam time, I assume that will definately be illegal under Labour?
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf
We will tackle insecurity by … Banning zero-hour contract
We will end insecurity and exploitation by ending zero-hours contracts
dazhFull MemberPosted 4 years agoAah, we are where we are, those leave Labour votes need to come on-side, but without scaring the remain (and larger) part of the party. It’s a balancing act that is doomed in our un-nuanced system I think
It always was. Those saying labour should come down strongly on one side or the other have always been in denial of the fix labour finds itself in, and then find an easy scapegoat in Corbyn. Whoever leads the party was always going to have to try and please both sides. I almost wonder if this ‘change in direction’ is by design, hence why they’ve made such a song and dance about it. The job of seeing off the lib dems is mostly complete, now they have to look to the other side. One advantage they have is that the labour leave voters shouldn’t be too difficult to win back. As we all know, many labour voters are massively tribal, and they won’t need much persuasion to come back.
fingerbangFree MemberPosted 4 years agoRe MRP poll, my understanding (from listening to Owen Jones podcast this morning) is that it doesn’t take into account the recent registration surge.am I right in saying the constituency poll was likely to be based on phone calls and will therefore favour old voters?
kimbersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoam I right in saying the constituency poll was likely to be based on phone calls and will therefore favour old voters?
Yougov have been trying to poll younger voters & weighting their study appropriately, so it should cover it
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoOne advantage they have is that the labour leave voters shouldn’t be too difficult to win back. As we all know, many labour voters are massively tribal, and they won’t need much persuasion to come back.
Well a labour government is in the bag then? I’ll quote you on that when Boris gets his majority
cinnamon_girlFull MemberPosted 4 years agoAny ideas how I can stop personally addressed election cr*p coming through my letterbox? Have just had a letter from a Lib Dems NHS Psychiatrist addressing me as “dear friend”. FFS please make it stop.
dazhFull MemberPosted 4 years agoThe MRP poll has loads of flaws. The only reason it’s been hyped up is because it was the only poll that was anywhwere close to the result last time. I kind of think polls should be banned during the campaign. The lack of of transparency in how they are conducted is in direct conflict with the power they have to skew the result and change the campaign.
kimbersFull MemberPosted 4 years agothis would be too good
Rumour that Channel Four has commissioned an ice sculpture of Boris Johnson to melt during tonight's televised debate on climate change. And yet he still doesn't want to go on…
— Jason Groves (@JasonGroves1) November 28, 2019
steviousFull MemberPosted 4 years agoI right in saying the constituency poll was likely to be based on phone calls and will therefore favour old voters?
My understanding is that they try to minimise this, but also account for it in the weightings of their model. There’ll be different ± margins in each constituency to reflect this (ie, constituencies with weaker data will have bigger uncertainty).
cheers_driveFull MemberPosted 4 years agoSo I’ve just come back from a meeting with a company in Peterborough, who at 24 hour notice was asked if they would host Pritty Patel’s electioneering speech. It’s a high-tech company involved in additive manufacture which no doubt the government are selling as our savour when we leave the EU. The irony is that many of the people working in the company are EU nationals, but I bet she won’t mention that in her speech!
In fact, thinking about it I could have prevented this whole Brexit mess when David Cameron was visiting a company I was working at during the 2010 election campaign. He even stopped to talk to my colleague at the next desk. I’d take one for the team if I could go back in time.
SorrybinnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoI thought Pritti had been locked in a cupboard with Rees Mogg fopr the duration of the campaign? in case she said that the poor should be beaten to death with sticks for being impertinent to their betters, then made into dog food, or something.
slowoldmanFull MemberPosted 4 years agoHow much do we need voting reform?!?
Well we tried and that referendum was a balls-up too.
Oh and I’m over 60. I’d happily give up my vote for a suitable annual pension and a holiday home somewhere sunny.
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoAutumn Pastures home for the terminally bewildered?
I’ll join you 😀
molgripsFree MemberPosted 4 years agoWhen I was a student I dropped my Supermarket job down to one evening shift of 3.25 hours at exam time, I assume that will definately be illegal under Labour?
You are either very dim or being deliberately obtuse to criticise Labour.
They aren’t stupid, even if you think they are.
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoYou are either very dim or being deliberately obtuse to criticise Labour.
They aren’t stupid, even if you think they are.
What will the new minimum contract hours be?
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI’d happily give up my vote for a suitable annual pension and a holiday home somewhere sunny.
There’s a place in Switzerland that does fantasic biscuits. And you could have all the money you can spend for the rest of your life.
molgripsFree MemberPosted 4 years agoWhat will the new minimum contract hours be?
Greater than zero I expect.
Everyone who’s paid attention and had a little think understands that the issue is not giving a fixed minimum to people who want it. So you apply for a job and they say ‘yeah it’ll be full time’ and the contract says that there is no minimum number of hours, that means you many not always get the money you might depend on.
If, however, you agree a contract for 1 hour a week with a company, and it’s in the contract, then no-one will have a problem with this, because you know up-front that it’s only one hour and you can plan around that. That won’t be banned, cos it would be stupid. Also one is not zero.
TallpaulFree MemberPosted 4 years agoZero hours contracts are two way agreements – the employer doesn’t have to provide any hours but equally, the employee doesn’t have to work any either.
Therefore, you can ban this type of contract without stipulating how many hours an employer must offer.
nickcFull MemberPosted 4 years agoAny ideas how I can stop personally addressed election cr*p coming through my letterbox?
Takes a while for the post to stop though, so even if you sign up, you may still get some unwanted mail for a while afterwards
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoWhat will the new minimum contract hours be?
If, however, you agree a contract for 1 hour a week
LOL, you’ve certainly spotted the problem!
That’s one way out.
Another way out is if we leave the EU. The sole reason 0 hours contracts exist is because of the working time directive. That made contracts a legal requirement. Before that contracts were optional and casual workers didn’t need one. If Labour get us out of the EU, they can tweak our new version of the working hours directive so contracts aren’t allowed for *very* low contract hours. That way casual workers don’t lose their jobs but Labour can genuinely claim to have banned 0 hours contracts without putting anyone out.
Your idea is ok, but 4 hours PCM is embarrassingly low given the claim and at that there will *still* be people who like their arrangement getting their jobs banned who will be all over the news with sad faces. Banning some people’s jobs to move some other people ‘up’ to a mere four hour PCM commitment is a toxic news story.
I like the libdems idea – you don’t ban causal working but you say below a certain number of hours the salary goes up. Yes, that’s flawed, but it’s far more doable than an outright ban.
raybanwombleFree MemberPosted 4 years agoSky news is currently interviewing some proper morons right now in Blackpool, a leave voting teacher and an old bag of a conservative voting HR manager on crutches and sporting pink hair.
Hahahah for **** sake, talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas – Boris must be pissing himself with laughter.
cromolyollyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoBefore that contracts were optional and casual workers didn’t need one.
And you’ve spotted the opposite problem. A job with no contract has no requirement for hours. So a 0 hours non-contract. The problem for the person with a job that has no hours and therefore no money remains unsolved. Being in or out of the EU won’t change that.
NorthwindFull MemberPosted 4 years agodazh
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You’re just re-writing history now. You know full well that labour brexit policy shifted towards the remain side due to the threat of the lib dems.
What Binners knows and what he believes are not the same thing.
molgripsFree MemberPosted 4 years agoyou don’t ban causal working
**** sake you are incredible and infuriating.
No-one’s banning casual working. That would be utterly insane.
The ABUSE of zero hours contracts is the issue. This is what the Labour party wants to do. Not ban casual working. Why on earth would they want to do that?
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