But it’s not about Brexit, of course. An ex-mining town has overnight become true blue Tories just randomly. Not Brexit related at all.

They promised more hospitals and nurses.

Ohhh we’ll get them. Funded privately (like several new builds recently) then be shackled to debt owned by overseas investors.

Rule **** Britannia

OK, I believe you. Where did you meet them?

While walking in the hills in northern Mallorca

So pundits saying it’s a mix of:

1) Brexit galvanisation among leave voters
2) Corbyn becoming a known entity
3) Brexit fatigue and apathy among remainers

Blythe Valley has a 10% swing ffs

Also voted just over 60% leave iirc.

Mainstream media.

Maybe some of it. Telegraph and the like. I can’t recall any references to extreme socialism or capitalism in the media. Or taking industry by force.

So pundits saying it’s a mix of:

1) Brexit galvanisation among leave voters
2) Corbyn becoming a known entity
3) Brexit fatigue and apathy among remainers

Seems reasonable, my last post on the Breixit thread was sadness at the fact people seemed more and more resigned to Brexit just from reading this forum.

Yes, it’s just Brexit, not Corbyn and his communist and far left millionaire advisors that have turned people away. When Labour shed MPs for either not being left enough, or being Jewish, or both, what do you think your swing voters were taking from that?

Do we actually have any Corbynites here

What do they ride? I’ve heard gravel bike afficiandos are a bit subversive.

John Bercow on Sky at the moment, worth a listen.

And Corbyn is the cause of both points 2 and 3.

Well #2 is axiomatic but how does the guy that was against the leave deal, for the bill preventing hard brexit and only willing to go to an election once a no deal brexit is off the table goin to cause apathy and fatigue amongst remainders?

The fatigue is because it wasn’t going anywhere for good reason.

my last post on the Breixit thread was sadness at the fact people seemed more and more resigned to Brexit just from reading this forum.

It just takes too much emotional effort to keep fighting it, Ed. Sad but true. At some point you have to accept it. Not vote for it, of course, but I can’t keep on being horrified.

What’s Bercow saying?

Wait, the exit polls only sampled from 144 polling stations?

Anyone got a decent link to how exit polls work because I’m struggling to see how this works.

But it’s not about Brexit, of course. An ex-mining town has overnight become true blue Tories just randomly. Not Brexit related at all.

Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?

I’m looking forward to seeing what happens to Bassetlaw (where I grew up in a pit village) and Bolsover. Though not in a good way.

The fatigue is because it wasn’t going anywhere for good reason.

If the election was about Brexit like you say, then you HAVE to galvanise people around your cause.

Corbyn did not do that, he only galvanised people against him – I can’t see how that will have won him more votes than supporting remainers in a more forthright manner to counter the fatigue.

It’s either about Brexit or it isn’t and in both scenarios – Corbyn is either wholly or partly to blame.

Blyth Valley 99% white so presumably immigration isn’t an issue. What is it about Brexit that attracts them?

It can’t be any worse than what they’ve had for 25 years and it’s possible it might be better?

Labour are a Brexit party, that’s not what lost them leave votes.

Of course it lost them Leave votes Ed. But it wasn’t the only thing turning people off Labour. And it’s not just “leave votes” lost, far from it.

If the election was about Brexit like you say, then you HAVE to galvanise people around your cause.

Well if you could explain how he was going to galvanise leavers around not leaving and conservatives around labour, you could be the next Cummings.

It was established early on that conservative remainers were going to vote Tory. Other parties Leavers were going to vote leave.

Who could Corbyn galvanise around the opposite of those two things?

Alan Johnson on fire on ITV – decent man betrayed by his party.