2019 General Election

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  • 2019 General Election
  • Premier Icon kelvin
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    Penfold is on, saying this is like the Berlin Wall coming down…

    Edukator
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    Ask those in Europe they see a very different Corbyn. One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man. Try it next time you are abroad

    What, TJ?

    Most of the people I know don’t know who he is and those that do think he’s a senile Trotsky.

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    Its not a “national vote” for Brexit, it’s an English vote for Brexit and a clear independence vote for Scotland and EU membership.

    BruceWee
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    Looking forward to Andrew Neil roasting every Tory scumbag who sits across from him. Let him get some of his frustrations out at not having a crack at BlowJobBob.

    tjagain
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    Edukator – that was what quite a few different Germans, French and Dutch folk said to me

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    I would expect the Tories to be pro-indyref2 as would increase their majority even further.

    ctk
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    Mark Francois is Binners and I claim my £5!

    Anyone see him on TV? He even said peoples front of Judea lol

    tjagain
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    This does show just how dysfunctional our parliment is. 40% of the vote giving a huge majority that can take radical steps.

    One bright point. Swinson is going to lose her seat

    One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man.

    Dude, stop with this. As I’ve shown before – he’s further left than the Scandi countries. It’s wilful ignorance to carry on pretending this isn’t the case.

    Not that it matters – whether you are right or not doesn’t matter – it’s about optics! Because the left care about ideology and not optics, we’ve ended up here – along with a split remain vote.

    Had the remain vote not been split and/or apathetic we’d have not lost this hard. Corbyn is to blame for that.

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    a fairly obvious indication of how unpopular the leader of the opposition is.

    But why? Smears, or has everyone suddenly become hardline anti-racist and cannot tolerate any leader even slightly tainted with anti-semitism?

    Think about it. People complain about the *insinuation* of antisemitism against Corbyn, and yet Johnson and his party are Islamophobic all the time. Why would the electorate be so sensitive towards antisemitism and not care about Islamophobia? Cos they’re being conned.

    chewkw
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    I would expect the Tories to be pro-indyref2 as would increase their majority even further.

    No sure if that is the right way forward if you are a Tory.

    I ****ing loath the Tory’s, but I hate the bunch of utter clowns that have turned the Labour Party into the joke it is today and has gifted the Tories everything they ever wanted

    Really it’s what Labour voters said they wanted.

    The long standing effective smear campaign and offering an option to remain will cost them this election IMO.

    Cos they’re being conned.

    They are being distracted. The promise of certainty over brexit is more important to them than how utterly unappealing they are

    Who cares Molgrips, the point is – Labour were able to be smeared with the anti-Semitism label – because it’s true. If they had dealt with this properly, the Tory party would have stayed being the nasty party and they would not have been able to frame the labour party as being hypocritical.

    The blame lies with labour and they will not learn and move on if the left does not accept that.

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    I don’t think I’m going to be able to leave the country, my folks are getting older and I need to be around. Still, with the NHS being run by Tories they probably won’t last long.

    The blame lies with labour and they will not learn and move on if the left does not accept that.

    No I agree. Labour was poor. But you cannot claim that there weren’t a whole string of problems boxing Corbyn in. As I said all along, It would have taken an outstanding political operator to navigate all that if it was even possible.

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    If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple

    As Cougar says, it wasn’t about voting for Corbyn it was about voting against tory. Anyhow what’s so bright about those who voted for Boris?

    Tory party would have stayed being the nasty party

    They did. Rees mogg, gove, Johnson’s dad and Bojo. No one likes them no one trusts them but they voted for them. Explain that.

    Really it’s what Labour voters said they wanted.
    The long standing effective smear campaign and offering an option to remain has cost them this election IMO.

    IMO the split remain vote cost them – they would not have been defeated so hard had remainers not been so apathetic and split between lab and lib.

    tjagain
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    Rayban – actually you were proven wrong on Scandinavia but I lost the will to argue with you. Tax rates, welfare state rates, educational spending, public ownership etc etc

    Nothing in labours manifesto is hard left at all and would be perfectly normal in most of europe.

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    Well that’s one Labour vote in!

    chewkw
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    Newcastle central … the same result again and almost the same as that in 2017.

    She now can have a happy ride to retirement for sure.

    Labour again in Sunderland albeit reduce majority.

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    Brexit voting seats swinging to the brexit supporting party. It’s nothing to do with brexit though, obviously. Time for remainers to wake up and smell the coffee. If using Corbyn as a scapegoat helps, good luck with that. Doesn’t change a damn thing though. We’re leaving, get over it. When politicians don’t listen to voters, they get voted out.

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    Are any of you Corbynites going to actually voice a defence of your messiah?

    Or are you just going to abuse those of us pointing out the obvious?

    Off you go…

    Do let us know your vision of our bright socialist future….

    Tax rates, welfare state rates, educational spending, public ownership etc etc

    Most of Scandinavia is as heavily privatised if not more heavily privatised than the UK. Stating they are not is an outright lie.

    Edukator
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    Edukator – that was what quite a few different Germans, French and Dutch folk said to me

    OK, I believe you. Where did you meet them? Because the last centrist French people I chatted with (while riding VTTs in SWFrance) who knew of him asked me if he was realy going to take over companies by force and also asked what was going on in England with the only options being extreme socialism or extreme capitalism. I could only aswer that yes he was and that was true.

    Even the fairly centrist TV channels point to Corbyns more extreme socialist policies with surprise when protraying the stakes of the election.

    ctk
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    Enjoy your Neo liberal future Binbins X

    chewkw
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    Blyth Valley … gone to Conservative … o oh …

    athgray
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    Stewart Lee summed it up well when he said people preferred labour under Blair when they looked like a bunch of coke dealers from an advertising agency, rather than now when they are led by Catweazle and his army of furious tramps.

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    Are any of you Corbynites going to actually voice a defence of your messiah?

    Yes, Daz is. It’s all Brexit, not Corbyn and his Communist advisors… and that theme will be stuck to for the next five years. The next election needs to be lost before the record stops.

    mefty
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    Blyth Valley bloody hell

    See that’s the problem with you momentum lot – call anyone who doesn’t support Corbyn a neo liberal as if it’s a dirty word.

    It’s like a legion of Ernst Thalmanns.

    They’ll be calling you Social Fascists next Binners. You’re the enemy of the true believers now, it’s people like you that caused Comrade Corbynichovs loss.

    realy going to privatise companies by force and also asked what was going on in England with the only options being extreme socialism or extreme capitalism. I could only aswer that yes he was and that was true.

    JC on a bike. What, he was gonna call out the army and take over industry?
    He isn’t even as socialist as the Labour government that created the NHS. Extreme socialism and extreme capitalism? Nowhere even close to either.
    Just shows the power of social media though.

    Blyth Valley bloody hell

    Wow. I think I’ll go to bed now. Not even that close.

    Putting up a candidate called ‘Dungworth’ can’t have helped though.

    chewkw
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    It looks like tactical voting to Conservative in Blyth Valley …

    mikertroid
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    Although the results have yet to be released, if the exit polls are as accurate as they have been previously, then I think the Labour Party are the issue:

    the Labour policies seemed totally unachievable and a reminder of the bad old days of the 70’s. Renationalisation of some industries might be acceptable, but the rhetoric put out by Corbyn was way off-tune. Coupled with Corbyn’s complete failure to be a convincing PM candidate, Labour weren’t an appealing opposition party, something we needed.

    In addition, Brexit fatigue meant people wanted an end, one way or another. Labour didn’t offer that.

    I would like to have seen a sensible middle ground, but there wasn’t one on offer.

    All IMHO…

    Let’s see what tomorrow brings and go for a ride!

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    Are any of you Corbynites going to actually voice a defence of your messiah?

    We’re talking about the issues, like grown ups. If you keep this up no-one’s going to want you to join in.

    piha
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    Blythe Valley has a 10% swing ffs

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    I go to the gym hoping to come back and watch Boris get a hammering except the exit poll flashed up on one of the screens in it. I may have swore rather loudly, thankfully the girl on duty just looked at me and said she’d let it slide as it’s justified.

    I hope to God that the exit polls are wrong and we get as close to a hung parliament as possible. How the **** can people vote like is predicted? My facebook feed is full of nurses, teachers and the low paid all saying it’s a great result, all the people that could lose an awful lot.

    If any young people are reading this I apologise on behalf of my generation and older who have right royally screwed your immediate future.

    nickewen
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    Absolutely staggering that result in Blyth

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    Stop swearing at each other, please. Wind it in. The attacks on you have been deleted Binners, no need to dish it back. Calm down. I understand your anger and defensiveness, but it’s not worth rising to the bait.

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