- 2019 General Election
Ask those in Europe they see a very different Corbyn. One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man. Try it next time you are abroad
Most of the people I know don’t know who he is and those that do think he’s a senile Trotsky.Posted 1 month ago
One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man.
Dude, stop with this. As I’ve shown before – he’s further left than the Scandi countries. It’s wilful ignorance to carry on pretending this isn’t the case.
Not that it matters – whether you are right or not doesn’t matter – it’s about optics! Because the left care about ideology and not optics, we’ve ended up here – along with a split remain vote.
Had the remain vote not been split and/or apathetic we’d have not lost this hard. Corbyn is to blame for that.Posted 1 month ago
a fairly obvious indication of how unpopular the leader of the opposition is.
But why? Smears, or has everyone suddenly become hardline anti-racist and cannot tolerate any leader even slightly tainted with anti-semitism?
Think about it. People complain about the *insinuation* of antisemitism against Corbyn, and yet Johnson and his party are Islamophobic all the time. Why would the electorate be so sensitive towards antisemitism and not care about Islamophobia? Cos they’re being conned.Posted 1 month agochestercopperpotMember
I ****ing loath the Tory’s, but I hate the bunch of utter clowns that have turned the Labour Party into the joke it is today and has gifted the Tories everything they ever wanted
Really it’s what Labour voters said they wanted.
The long standing effective smear campaign and offering an option to remain will cost them this election IMO.Posted 1 month ago
Who cares Molgrips, the point is – Labour were able to be smeared with the anti-Semitism label – because it’s true. If they had dealt with this properly, the Tory party would have stayed being the nasty party and they would not have been able to frame the labour party as being hypocritical.
The blame lies with labour and they will not learn and move on if the left does not accept that.Posted 1 month ago
I don’t think I’m going to be able to leave the country, my folks are getting older and I need to be around. Still, with the NHS being run by Tories they probably won’t last long.
The blame lies with labour and they will not learn and move on if the left does not accept that.
No I agree. Labour was poor. But you cannot claim that there weren’t a whole string of problems boxing Corbyn in. As I said all along, It would have taken an outstanding political operator to navigate all that if it was even possible.Posted 1 month ago
Really it’s what Labour voters said they wanted.
The long standing effective smear campaign and offering an option to remain has cost them this election IMO.
IMO the split remain vote cost them – they would not have been defeated so hard had remainers not been so apathetic and split between lab and lib.Posted 1 month ago
Rayban – actually you were proven wrong on Scandinavia but I lost the will to argue with you. Tax rates, welfare state rates, educational spending, public ownership etc etc
Nothing in labours manifesto is hard left at all and would be perfectly normal in most of europe.Posted 1 month agodazhSubscriber
Brexit voting seats swinging to the brexit supporting party. It’s nothing to do with brexit though, obviously. Time for remainers to wake up and smell the coffee. If using Corbyn as a scapegoat helps, good luck with that. Doesn’t change a damn thing though. We’re leaving, get over it. When politicians don’t listen to voters, they get voted out.Posted 1 month agoEdukatorMember
Edukator – that was what quite a few different Germans, French and Dutch folk said to me
OK, I believe you. Where did you meet them? Because the last centrist French people I chatted with (while riding VTTs in SWFrance) who knew of him asked me if he was realy going to take over companies by force and also asked what was going on in England with the only options being extreme socialism or extreme capitalism. I could only aswer that yes he was and that was true.
Even the fairly centrist TV channels point to Corbyns more extreme socialist policies with surprise when protraying the stakes of the election.Posted 1 month ago
See that’s the problem with you momentum lot – call anyone who doesn’t support Corbyn a neo liberal as if it’s a dirty word.
It’s like a legion of Ernst Thalmanns.
They’ll be calling you Social Fascists next Binners. You’re the enemy of the true believers now, it’s people like you that caused Comrade Corbynichovs loss.Posted 1 month ago
realy going to privatise companies by force and also asked what was going on in England with the only options being extreme socialism or extreme capitalism. I could only aswer that yes he was and that was true.
JC on a bike. What, he was gonna call out the army and take over industry?Posted 1 month ago
He isn’t even as socialist as the Labour government that created the NHS. Extreme socialism and extreme capitalism? Nowhere even close to either.
Just shows the power of social media though.mikertroidMember
Although the results have yet to be released, if the exit polls are as accurate as they have been previously, then I think the Labour Party are the issue:
the Labour policies seemed totally unachievable and a reminder of the bad old days of the 70’s. Renationalisation of some industries might be acceptable, but the rhetoric put out by Corbyn was way off-tune. Coupled with Corbyn’s complete failure to be a convincing PM candidate, Labour weren’t an appealing opposition party, something we needed.
In addition, Brexit fatigue meant people wanted an end, one way or another. Labour didn’t offer that.
I would like to have seen a sensible middle ground, but there wasn’t one on offer.
Let’s see what tomorrow brings and go for a ride!Posted 1 month agoreluctantjumperSubscriber
I go to the gym hoping to come back and watch Boris get a hammering except the exit poll flashed up on one of the screens in it. I may have swore rather loudly, thankfully the girl on duty just looked at me and said she’d let it slide as it’s justified.
I hope to God that the exit polls are wrong and we get as close to a hung parliament as possible. How the **** can people vote like is predicted? My facebook feed is full of nurses, teachers and the low paid all saying it’s a great result, all the people that could lose an awful lot.
If any young people are reading this I apologise on behalf of my generation and older who have right royally screwed your immediate future.Posted 1 month ago
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