Most of it Molgrips. Ask those in Europe they see a very different Corbyn. One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man. Try it next time you are abroad

I keep hearing from TV politicians and commentators that when quizzed on their doorsteps, folk just didn’t like or trust Jeremy.

You can blame whatever you like but the Labour leadership needs to accept they are responsible for this mess. If the Exit Poll is accurate obviously.

If the exit poles are correct I’m just really sad. As a firefighter I know what’s coming, what has already been lined up and what will come to pass. By the time the general public realise it will be far too late.

Who to blame? All of them, god knows. Just sad.

But.. but.. Labour should have come out for remain, that would surely have fixed things!

I know you are being facetious but sadly there are those out there who believe it’s true.

I thought in the early/middle of the campaign that it might actually swing to a non brexit election, opinion polls were showing that slightly, that nhs etc might be as or more important. I think what happens in labour leave seats will tell us if that is true.

If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple

He’s not wrong. Never been a fan of Boris, but he has achieved an extraordinary turnaround.

BInners / Rayban – are you saying then

Labour need to turn back into a rightwing party? A sort of tory lite?

No. They are saying that Labour needs to be an electable party. It’s pretty simple: The further Left Labour goes, the more it empowers the Hard Tory Right.
(It’s still only an exit poll)

Never as bad as you fear or as good as you hope. Abject opposition failure predicted. Keir time? I’ve never voted for my MP. In any of the constituencies I’ve lived in

The BBC just interviewed someone from the exit poll company. I hope they’re wrong to stop him being such a “smunt”

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Yeah – Scottish people aren’t any cleverer than the English – they just have an alternative centrist party.

According to the vox pops I’ve seen Scottish people are cleverer or at least more politically engaged.

She had some pretty good Brexit slogans and she also didn’t ignore a sick kid on a hospital floor.

Yep. She also had a split brexit vote.

If you think people voted for Boris after seeing how utterly uncaring he was about that kid, because Corbyn was worse, you have a pretty skewers view of the world. I think the fact that people voted for him despite the fact that they didn’t trust him,and were worried about what he would do to the NHS, housing, social safety net etc tells you that they cared more about ending the brexit stalemate.

So much underestimation of how much Corybn is voter Kryptonite. Still. It’s irrelevant now anyway, the next leader has next to no chance of them winning the next election now anyway. The Conservatives probably have a minimum of 10 years to play with now. Corbyn should stick around for a few years, so the next leader is as fresh as possible for the next election, rather than be tainted by what the next few years will bring.

Corbynism is, and always has been an electoral cul-de-sac

It’s that simple

It’s been glaringly obvious from day one

I am absolutely ****ing livid! My children’s future is hostage to Brexit and five years of whatever the hell Boris plans to do.

I ****ing loath the Tory’s, but I hate the bunch of utter clowns that have turned the Labour Party into the joke it is today and has gifted the Tories everything they ever wanted

If you’re a Corbynite then all the shit we’re going to have to endure for the next five years is down to you.

Seems the remainers weren’t wrong, then.

Some of them are racist and xenophobic but being right won’t change the results.

As soon as Corbyn declared he’d do a second ref it split the working class Labour vote. That’s why the Tory’s and right wing press were so desperate to get him on record as remain leaning (not ruling it out) and nail his colours to the mast.

The gob shites have pissed in their own shoes and contributed to a done deal.

The national support for Brexit doesn’t sit well with that big of a swing.

It supports it. Popular vote and seats don’t necessarily correlate. If the early predictions are correct the movement from labour leave seats to conservative are swinging. The labour early predictions are showing a labour leave seat that was remain and will stay remain but with an 11% swing vote away from labour. About half and half to conservative and brexit party. You seriously think labour voters would go to brexit party because Corbyn is to socialist?

He isnt even as socialist as the labour government that created the NHS.

The one good thing about this, is that it paves the way for a soft brexit. With this size of majority the ERG are done

If you think people voted for Boris after seeing how utterly uncaring he was about that kid, because Corbyn was worse, you have a pretty skewers view of the world. I think the fact that people voted for him despite the fact that they didn’t trust him,and were worried about what he would do to the NHS, housing, social safety net etc tells you that they cared more about ending the brexit stalemate.

Most humans are **** mate.

Take a look at the world – how many courtiers are happy clappy care for thy neighbour Scandi countries?

**** all.

If you want to civilise people you have to do it by force or by stealth.

Lmao at Farage not even voting for his own party.

Yes, for the reason that 2/3 always voted the same.

I am disappointed that no Brexit party seat yet … hmmm …

nickc – dinnae be daft – its the hardest of hard brexits. thats what Johnsons backers want and thats what he will give them.

According to the vox pops I’ve seen Scottish people are cleverer or at least more politically engaged.

That’s a shit thing to post.

But.. but.. Labour should have come out for remain, that would surely have fixed things!

Anybody with half a braincell would know that Labour are a remain party. Hence the predicted result.