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2019 General Election
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outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years ago
Have you thought through the implications of a 4 day week?
Yes, increased productivity while at the same time workers working less hours and enjoying their lives more.
I doubt many people’s words on their deathbed are “I wish I spent more more hours of my life working for company x”
That’ll be a “no” then! 🙂
cromolyollyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoNobody is lying about the “Inclusive Ownership Fund”
Oh, it exists and is in the manifesto, which wasn’t published when the FT did their ‘analysis’.
The lie was and is that they were going to steal shares from your pension fund. That was never true yet you were terrified of it happening you claim to have moved your funds.
So can you show where it says they are going to steal shares in private ownership, or is that a lie? Since you moved your funds, you either didn’t know it was a lie, or you went to great lengths to propogate the lie.v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoPeople are more important than money but people’s work has a market rate.
That’s a very disingenuous statement. What happens to the (ever increasing) pool of people who get priced out of the market value by machines or outsourcing?
If your job could be outsourced because of a 20% increase in costs that a four day week would cost, why can’t it be outsourced now? I’m sure potential savings would be greater than 20% if you look east?
Admittedly this is a far bigger problem than we can hope small minded domestic politics will be able to solve. It’s probably going to be the problem that brings humanity to its knees within the next century.
slowoldmanFull MemberPosted 4 years agoHave you thought through the implications of a 4 day week?
3 days off?
jet26Free MemberPosted 4 years agoFour day week great idea. Probably not achievable for many NHS staff, or certainly not a 32hr week.
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoIf your job could be outsourced because of a 20% increase in costs that a four day week would cost, why can’t it be outsourced now? I’m sure potential savings would be greater than 20% if you look east?
Already has. 75pc of people in my role are in Eastern Europe now. That’s why I’m not mad keen on the cost of ‘me’ going up by 20pc while I’m no longer available for a whole day every week.
If I thought I could sensibly negotiate that kind of deal, I already would have!
dovebikerFull MemberPosted 4 years agoIf your job could be outsourced because of a 20% increase in costs that a four day week would cost, why can’t it be outsourced now? I’m sure potential savings would be greater than 20% if you look east?
So I work 10 hours a day for 4 days, but my employer now saves 20% on his accommodation costs because he only needs office space for 80% of his total workforce by carefully scheduling. Studies have shown that employees are more productive too. Furthermore, you arrived less-stressed at work because there’s 20% less traffic on the road. But then that’s using facts and reasoning…
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoOh, it exists and is in the manifesto, which wasn’t published when the FT did their ‘analysis’.
The lie was and is that they were going to steal shares from your pension fund. That was never true yet you were terrified of it happening you claim to have moved your funds.
So can you show where it says they are going to steal shares in private ownership, or is that a lie? Since you moved your funds, you either didn’t know it was a lie, or you went to great lengths to propogate the lie.If you take 10pc of something away, as opposed to buying it, the existing owners lose 10pc of it. HTH.
BruceWeeFull MemberPosted 4 years agoUnions are good for business. Just ask BP.
Had the workforce on Deepwater Horizon been unionised do you think they would have carried on working in a way that ultimately led to their deaths?
How much money did BP lose on Macondo?
I’ve worked offshore in the non-unionised UK sector and the heavily unionised Norwegian sector. I’ve been involved in operations in the UK sector where the operators were acting dangerously and I didn’t say anything because I didn’t fancy ending my career. I’m not proud of it.
I’ve never even been asked to work in unsafe ways in the Norwegian sector. If I was I would have no problem saying, ‘Nope, put me on the next chopper. I’m off to call my union rep and tell him you want to drill into the reservoir section with an ROV umbilical tangled in the BOP pod lines.’
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoProbably not achievable for many NHS staff, or certainly not a 32hr week.
I have to wonder what sort of contract length Labour think is acceptable. Banning zero hour contracts and full time contracts, I wonder how wide the permissable slot will be?
molgripsFree MemberPosted 4 years agoIf you take 10pc of something away, as opposed to buying it, the existing owners lose 10pc of it. HTH.
No, it doesn’t ‘H’ because we’ve done this to death – no-one’s said they are ‘taking it away’ without paying for it. And yet, you keep on about it this thing that isn’t happening like you are a Tory propagandist or something.
v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoBanning zero hour contracts and full time contracts, I wonder how wide the permissable slot will be?
OOB, you’re being deliberately obtuse. You know that the objection to ‘zero hour’ contracts is not the actual hours worked, but rather the ability the exploit those workers and prevent them from working hours elsewhere, as well as the misrepresentation of these workers as ‘employed’ in statistics. Similarly, the four day week idea is actually just a policy of governance supporting an improvement in work life balance for the majority of people, paid for by an increase in automation etc, rather than the fruits of automation going straight into shareholders pockets.
bazzerFree MemberPosted 4 years agoNo, it doesn’t ‘H’ because we’ve done this to death – no-one’s said they are ‘taking it away’ without paying for it. And yet, you keep on about it this thing that isn’t happening like you are a Tory propagandist or something.
How is it going to work then @molgrips ?
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoNo, it doesn’t ‘H’ because we’ve done this to death – no-one’s said they are ‘taking it away’ without paying for it.
They are not paying for the shares.
Here’s the policy:
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Real-Change-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdfIt’s p60. Or search for “Inclusive Ownership Fund”.
(I fear I’m being trolled so I won’t be replying to any posts on Inclusive Ownership Fund unless the post quotes the text that says the shares will be paid for in which case I will acknowledge that I failed to spot it and apologise.)
boomerlivesFree MemberPosted 4 years agoThey are going to buy 10% using taxpayers money, and give it back to the taxpayers
Obviously
It’s the circular economy
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoYou know that the objection to ‘zero hour’ contracts is not the actual hours worked,
That may be the objection, but the *policy* is to ban zero hours contracts. I’ve quoted the text before but the links above.
Similarly, the four day week idea is actually just a policy of governance supporting an improvement in work life balance for the majority of people, paid for by an increase in automation etc, rather than the fruits of automation going straight into shareholders pockets.
Quote it then so we can decide for ourselves.
slowoldmanFull MemberPosted 4 years agoWhen Microsoft introduced a four-day week, productivity increased by 40 per cent.
A friend of mine worked a 9 day fortnight with an engineering consultancy back in the seventies, so these ideas are not new. Not forgetting that back in the old days we used to “go to work down t’ mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out”. Things have moved on.
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoGreat quote on Radio 4 from Steve Coogan
Yes, Partridge would have voted leave because Alan is like one of those people who is very confident.
There are lots of people in government actually who are very like Alan Partridge in that they are super confident and not that well informed.
Alan Partridge, his points of view and attitude is influenced by the likes of Boris Johnson.
As Max Hastings said, Boris Johnson thinks he is Winston Churchill but he is more like Alan Partridge.
mrmonkfingerFree MemberPosted 4 years agoDid I miss the bit where Labour have said they will just steal that 10% and not pay for it?
jam-boFull MemberPosted 4 years agoDid I miss the bit where Labour have said they will just steal that 10% and not pay for it?
i’ve got a friend who is a nursing sister at Leeds Hospital who says they will….
v8ninetyFull MemberPosted 4 years agoQuote it then so we can decide for ourselves.
https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/women-automation-and-equality
Is an article cited by;
Which is the press release from McDonnell announcing the policy that we are discussing.
kimbersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoWhy are people still arguing about labour policy ?
At best they’ll be in a minority government & will struggle to get much through beyond a 2nd ref and a loosening of budgets
The lib Dems were burnt badly by Tories last time & SNP have their own agends
Of far more concern is Johnson’s likely majority, a decade of divisive brexit talks, more grinding austerity & more lies than ever
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoDid I miss the bit where Labour have said they will just steal that 10% and not pay for it?
The cost of buying the shares is not in the costing document (Grey book) so they will not be paying for the shares.
(Yes, I shouldn’t have replied, my bad.)
outofbreathFree MemberPosted 4 years agoAt best they’ll be in a minority government & will struggle to get much through beyond a 2nd ref and a loosening of budgets
…and an Indyref within the first year.
I don’t accept the logic that they can’t get a majority. To know that you’d need detailed knowledge of the seats, which doesn’t exist.
chewkwFree MemberPosted 4 years agoWoohoo GE tomorrow 😀
Ready for late night watching election result.
llamaFull MemberPosted 4 years agoOf far more concern is Johnson’s likely majority, a decade of divisive brexit talks, more grinding austerity & more lies than ever
this
See there are tories, then there are bad tories, but this lot? A bunch of cynical lying evil compasionless manipulative toss buckets. They will do nothing for you.
VOTE TACTICALLY
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoI don’t accept the logic that they can’t get a majority.
26/1 with the bookies at the moment. Stick a couple of quid on it
I stuck a tenner on a hung parliament last time out at 5/1. I’ve stuck a tenner on the same this time around but with labour getting more seats than the Tories but no majority. Same odds – 5/1
Admittedly I put that on a few weeks ago before Grandad phoned in his election campaign, but you never know….
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoRight… on to the actual election night practicalities…
Who’s taken Friday off so that they can stay up and watch the results come in? Fess up… who’s as sad and tragic as me? 😀
mrmonkfingerFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI might buy a pie and chips and watch The Strictly Come Voting Results Show.
Doubt I’ll stay up all night though.
fingerbangFree MemberPosted 4 years agoMe! To be fair I was made redundant a week ago so I can spare the time. Now’s a good time to do it.Probably last until 3am though. Should have a fair idea by then. We need to find out when raab has his portillo moment? I’ll deffo stay up for that ( and probably Johnson and mogg too)
Ro5eyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoBinners you lightweight
Stay up with the boys and go in with the men.
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoLooks like there are some good options, telly-wise.
Russell Howard is doing his show on Sky from ten onwards, and channel 4’s results show is being done by Rylan which would suggest they’re not planning on being too reverential
chewkwFree MemberPosted 4 years agoWho’s taken Friday off so that they can stay up and watch the results come in? Fess up… who’s as sad and tragic as me? 😀
No off for me on Friday so no joy.
llamaFull MemberPosted 4 years agoMrs is counting so might stay up until their results
Or might fall asleep on the sofa
one of those 2 is more likely
molgripsFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI’ll probably go to sleep as normal cos it takes too long for the results to come in, then in an agitated state wake up at about 2.30 and go downstairs to watch it.
perchypantherFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI’ll watch it on Catch up over the christmas holidays. I’ll try to avoid spoilers till then.
mrmonkfingerFree MemberPosted 4 years agoIs this the point where we need a post about just how tiring the late night will be for magic grandad? he’s getting on a bit, you know.
kerleyFree MemberPosted 4 years agoI will be off on Friday because I already work a 4 day week, some of us are open minded to new ideas while others are left behind voting tory.
(I don’t actually but I did take every Friday off for 20 weeks over the summer autumn and guess what, I got exactly the same amount of stuff done)
roneFull MemberPosted 4 years agoI am > < that close to calling this election right now…
I am straining every sinew to avoid saying the words
It
Will
Be
A
Labour
Minority
Government
— Dr Moderate (@centrist_phone) December 11, 2019
binnersFull MemberPosted 4 years agoAs a self-employed person I fundamentally objet to the principle of a 4 day week.
Why the hell should I be forced to increase the hours I work?! Bloody communists!! 😉
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