daveylad :Near 50 and never more anti labour. If I was poor and/or northern maybe, or expect the state to support me, but im none of these. Boris it is 🙂
Wipe yer tears haters!!

47 here, spent the past 26 years of my life scrimping and living on disability benefits due to severe spinal injury back in 1991 but i have always worked as much as possible despite a multitude of problems over the years, for the past 3 years i have been going downhill very fast with secondary progressive multiple sclerosis, which was undiagnosed till i demanded a second opinion, then a final third opinion back in 2017 where i was told i most likely have have had MS undiagnosed/untreated for the past 20+ years…There was a possibility of getting onto a genetic modification study to alter the gut microbiome/immune system to slow down the progression and isolate the damage in my brain but thanks to the brexit vote that was cancelled. I guess I’m being honest when i say i have not got too long to go before i decide to pull the plug, got my exit plan in place long ago, my family/close friends understand my reasoning for this. Im fiercely independent and absolutely hate the fact that i need help for pretty much everything these days and whilst i still have use of my hands that is fading fast, numbness/ tingling/ feeling like my body is on fire one minute then freezing cold the next minute, muscle spasms that lock me rigid yet all they can offer is heavy sedation so whats the point?.

You sound like a good candidate for testing my exit procedure, care to offer me your address so i can end your **** selfish life you utter **** prick, you are playing with peoples lives, this is not merely a game to those you look down upon.

So would a Tory voter, so would a Tory Government

You do realise that the NHS funding has risen an average of 4% pa since it’s inception. This Tory government has averaged .5% pa. That is not a Tory government willing to spend on the NHS. Except during election campaigns. Never when they are actually government.

we’re been told the Torys will sell of the NHS and every time they don’t.

They sold off the blood plasma unit to an offshoot of Mitt Romney’s empire. The unit that had remained in govt hands precisely because of fears over the safety of the supply in private hands. Bain capital bought it for 200 million, held for a couple of years and then sold it for 800 million. Know who owns it now? The Chinese.

NHS spending on private providers has doubled since 2010. It’s their 2012 Care act that makes it possible for private companies to sue the NHS if they are prevented from bidding to run profitable bits.

Wouldn’t sell it off my left bollock. Do you get this stuff straight from Dom Cummings email blasts?

The demographic thing is interesting to me and I have an obvious theory.

I’m 49 and have never voted any further right-wing than lib dem (back when there was still a glint of actual liberal in them). Those of us my age and fiercely anti-tory will have grown up during the 80s and will have come of voting age at the heights of Maggie’s power.

Anyone with even a smudge of humanity will have seen what that government did to the working class I grew up as part of, even if they weren’t directly affected by it. I have no idea how you could live through that and still think a Tory government has any empathy for the 99% at all.

I think (hope) that the boomers may well be the last majority ‘automatic’ Tory voters we see for a while until the circle turns again. Gen X and onwards will hopefully be increasingly empathetic and community-minded in their political choices…

Couple of humble brags on previous page from a couple of wealthy/talented/gifted members who grace these pages with their presence.
I call both bullshit.
If they were both wealthy, as they claim, why not become paid-up subscribers?
With their wealth, the subscription costs would be an irrelevance to them.
Yawn.

kimbers
The oldies are screwing us all

(prays for snow, or just a cold snap)

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The English are selfish bastards who would rather vote to keep another 1p in their wallets and purses than pay extra to fund public services

Thanks for that. Popping back a couple of pages to report your post.

If they were both wealthy, as they claim, why not become paid-up subscribers?
With their wealth, the subscription costs would be an irrelevance to them.

How d’you think they got rich? It’s pretty well known that the rich got rich by being tight and are less likely to give to charity, pay for stuff they don’t have to etc.

Well that’s timely. The Observer has learned that patient data has been sold to US pharma Giants by the NHS.

You keep clinging to your fantasy that’s it’s not for sale though.

cromoly – think we’re both agreed that their claims of wealth are bullshit.

How many ‘older people’ do you know and how much/little do you know about their political views?

Plenty. But I still only know a tiny number compared to the millions of voters. Just like you. Your experience does not equal data. Older people are FAR more likely to be proBrexit and proTory, both of which are removing rights and opportunities from younger people. Every single survey shows this. Show me some ‘meaningful’ numbers that suggest otherwise.

Are you seriously suggesting that ‘older voters’ are deliberately taking away ‘rights and opportunities from younger people’?

Some think that they are not. Some think that it’ll only effect young people that they don’t know. Some don’t care even when it effects young people they do know. Some think the young have ‘got it too easy these days’. Some think it is a price worth paying, if they don’t have to hear bilingual people in their market towns. Some think it is ‘all about priorities’, and their priorities are different to that of younger folk.

think we’re both agreed that their claims of wealth are bullshit.

Maybe – I’ll stay on their good side just in case they aren’t – and they decide to spread it around.

What he seemed like was a Troll trying to trigger the snowflakes*

*AKA people not totally devoid of empathy/morality and who want to see an improvement in the quality of life for the vast majority

What he seemed like was a Troll trying to trigger the snowflakes

Sadly not a troll I suspect. There are a lot of people who think like that. I am surrounded by tories at work and where I live and the general thinking is that the poor/less fortunate have simply not worked or tried as hard as they have.
They have no **** clue that they are where they are mostly down to luck and privilege, no clue at all.

The Times – Amazon ready to cash in on free access to NHS data (paywall)

More info on this Twitter thread

The NHS isn’t even for sale, it’s being given away free.

You do realise that the NHS funding has risen an average of 4% pa since it’s inception. This Tory government has averaged .5% pa.

Indeed. Yet in spite of that desperate level of underfunding Labour decided on a wafer thin increase of 3bn. Labour are also going to chronically underfund the NHS and it’s not because they don’t have the cash – they claim they had 58bn spare.

Have you read anything written by any of the current government about how provision of, and payment for, healthcare should be transformed in future.

People have spent the last three decades saying the Tory’s are going to privatize the NHS during every election campaign (and at times in between). All that crying wolf means nobody believes they are going to do it this time – to the point where people trust the Torys on the NHS more than Labour.

This is not just another Tory Government about to be elected,

So all the other times you said they were going to privatise the NHS they didn’t. But this time they really, really are, you really, really promise.

Not an easy message to sell!

the silly idea that centrism would be a vote winner in these desperate times

It’s FPTP, so in most seats, as the election nears, people swing towards the top two candidates in their seats. In an ideal world… most of these swing people in Tory/Labour battle grounds would be coming over to Labour… but many are going to the Conservatives, even if they are against Brexit and don’t want Johnson in no10. If Labour could appeal to a wider a section of the public, they would be walking this election. If the take away from losing this election is “centrism* is a vote loser, let’s further abandon voters who aren’t left wing enough for us”, there won’t be a Labour government again in our lifetimes.

[* whatever the hell that means]

So all the other times you said they were going to privatise the NHS they didn’t. But this time they really, really are, you really, really promise.

Not an easy message to sell!

It’s FPTP, so in most seats, as the election nears, people swing towards the top two candidates in their seats. In an ideal world… most of these swing people in Tory/Labour battle grounds would be coming over to Labour… but many are going to the Conservatives, even if they are against Brexit and don’t want Johnson in no10. If Labour could appeal to a wider a section of the public, they would be waking this election.

This. The Tory party is an omnishambles and has been for years. (Even if they weren’t 9 years in Government *alone* would be enough to condemn most Governments to lose just out of voter feeling it’s ‘time for change’.)

Any Labour leadership since Foot would be looking at a landslide right now. The only thing that could have saved the Torys is Corbyn/Abbot/McDonnell.

Corbyn & co may have baggage but the rw press painted Milliband as dangerous commie too, even tho some of his ‘redisst’ policies have since been adopted by the Tories!