45 years old here and absolutely no chance of voting Conservative. If anything, I’m more vehemently anti-Tory than ever. I’m also happy to pay more tax for better services too.

A wee theory I’ve built- its Johnson’s team that are doing the recent leaks, via Corbyn.

The latest this week was NI, and the border, which we all knew was the way it was going to go. This report, like the others before it, was suppressed.

So why is it out there now?

Simple- BJ doesn’t need the DUP any more.

See if this makes sense to you- he’s needed them up to now for supply and comfort, and its cost him politically (and financially). Clearly, he’s rather dispense with them- but can only do so if the parliamentary arithmetic works out.

Up until very recently, this wasn’t certain. But now that TBP are on the retreat, and its high-profile members (Annunziata Rees-Mogg and others) are advising members to vote for the Cons as an avenue to hard Brexit*, the DUP can be sidelined.

So why release the report? Simple. To convince the faithful that he’s serious about delivering a hard Brexit- they all know, deep down, that NI is the obvious cost of HB, and by getting this report out there he shows that he’s up for doing it.

Corbyn, sadly, has to run with this and make any capital that he can.

*TBP is now revealed for what its always been- a pressure group designed to whip the Cons into line.

Further evidence- when Gavin Williamson spilled the Huawei report this year, May instantly flushed him out via an internal inquiry. No such inquiries have been forthcoming on any of the recent ‘leaks’.

It’s not an generic insult to all over 45s anyway

Of course it isn’t. And you also get plenty of youngsters (some privileged, some just right wing) who voted for Brexit and will vote Tory. But, when it comes down to it… it is mostly the older generations that voted to close Europe off to young workers and will vote Tory despite the further effect it will have on the education system and other services that so many young people could benefit from.

Cock up and humiliating defeat are not the same thing. The battle for Western France was a defeat and a cockup. The battle for Dunkirk was anything but. They were successful in fighting to the sea, in maintaining a beachhead against incredible odds,the “cheese eating surrender monkeys” held off 5 divisions with a battalion to allow 370,000 troops to escape. The ordinary people who took their pleasure craft into a war zone to exfiltrate those troops with no thought for themselves. No one involvwd in that shoukd feel either humiliated or defeated. A little bit more of that attitude and maybe brexit wouldn’t be a thing. Nor would the Tories.

Another 40 something that’s never been more anti Tory than I am now.

If anything, it’s fear of what the Conservatives will continue do to the poor/vulnerable that have driven that.

Can I just say 65+ and as above? I know a lot like me too.

I’m in Fife where the SNP beat the LibDems by just 2 votes in 2017. I’ll likelyu vote SNP this time rather than LibDems as I think there’s less risk of them getting into bed with the Cons. Plus the LibDems revoke Brexit policy seems immature & their dodgy campaign leaflet figures made them look like they were joining the current fashion for lies. Plus Sturgeon seems like an adult politician compared with the rest. I’d consider Labour if they weren’t a distant 3rd here, but FPTP makes voting for them pointless.

I just wish the SNP would tone down the IndyRef2 talk a bit & not be so pushy about getting it in 2020; I voted no in IndyRef1 but would probabl vote Yes in IndyRef2 – but only if the UK had already Brexit’ed. I guess it’d be a bit politically muddy for SNP to campaign this election like that though. Ho-hum, interesting but worrying times.

kerley – do you know who owns YouGov? There is a Tory connection!

For a polling company, letting political bias skew their results is commercial suicide. It’s just bad business. So they don’t.

Stereotypically I should vote Tory. I’m probably one of the top 1% richest people in the this country, let alone the world.
But I work for charities, pet cats, play guitar and ride bikes and vote for who I think will help poor folk best, not me – I’m pretty much insulated from anything a government does.

Stereotypically I should vote Tory. I’m probably one of the top 1% richest people in the this country, let alone the world.

Yep, and mine is all down to luck (genetics, finding high paid jobs that suit my ability) but we are clearly not selfish and would like life to be better for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don’t.

Opinium have a very different poll

Opinium/Observer
Westminster Voting Intention:
Online
CON lead 15

CON 46 (=)
LAB 31 (=)
LD 13 (=)
GRN 3 (=)
BRX 2 (=)

(4-6 Dec)#GE2019https://t.co/Hzys4PnMlA

— OpinionBee.uk (@OpinionBee) December 7, 2019

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A wee theory I’ve built- its Johnson’s team that are doing the recent leaks, via Corbyn.

Nah, it is the Russkies again.’

No, its Johnson 🙂 that Russian thing has already been discredited.

I’m in Fife where the SNP beat the LibDems by just 2 votes in 2017

My work mate lives in Fife in Stephen Gethin’s constituency – on the day of the 2017 election he asked me who they should vote for as they weren’t 100% sure what was best to deny the Tories. I suggested that in that constituency probably the SNP. That evening he and his partner both voted SNP.

Next morning the look on his face was priceless

I was 50 this year and have never voted conservative, and hope to christ I never have to. But, and it’s a big but, suppose one day something worse comes along and looks like it might take your seat? Would you tactically vote tory to keep out farage?

I remember growing up through the Thatcher years, the national misery of it all, the degradation of communities and the massive increase in personal greed and wealth. The endless Steve Bell cartoons. On a personal level my family was torn about by government policy, and probably never recovered. Toward the end of those years I worked in areas decimated by the destruction of industry, god it was pitiful even to someone’s eyes who had seen nothing better. And then, and then…the Blair years of hope and prospects and what seemed like a fair crack of life’s whip. Things worked, life seemed sensible and smoking got banned in public places.

And then the stupid bastard took the yankee dollar and **** it all.

Lets not forget wee Gordie though, even then there was hope and what I think was respect. I didn’t listen to the radio on the way to work and think ‘my god I am actually Sarah Connor’. Michael Gove didn’t exist in that world. We laughed at ghouls like Duncan Smith and Mogg because that is what they were. Now, they have the wheel.

I’m a moderate, left of centre kind of guy but it seems to me that by and large I have been a loser in my short time on earth. Not on a personal scale – I have a nice life that I wouldn’t change – but on a geopolitical scale. Despite everything, all the evidence to the contrary, vast swathes of the country can’t get enough of being treated badly, disdainfully and without respect.

I reject that from anybody, let alone a Government, and so should you.

Years ago I found myself by chance having breakfast with a random priest in a cafe. I am the least religious guy on the street but I do enjoy a blather now and then. Anyway, I have no recollection of what he said apart from one thing –

‘when everything else has gone, you will always have hope’.

So it’s not an exclusively English/Welsh/Irish problem by any means.

You might want to read the post above mine

Wipe yer tears haters!!

50 years old, and using words expected out of the mouths from spoiled amarican teenage brats, definitely a tory.

Let’s hope daveylad’s luck doesn’t change, and he never expects the state to support him. Don’t one in three of us get cancer though? I wouldn’t take the risk and vote assuming that it would never be me that misfortune would fall upon. The tears may yet come for you daveylad, and we would genuinely feel for you, and be happy to pay our share for the NHS to be there for you.

Mrs Binners is very proud today. She’s a Wigan Lass and this is where she’s from ‘welcoming’ Joris Bohnson

Boris Johnson abandons Lancashire visit after protesters take over towns high street

Scuttling off back to London with his tail between his legs 😂

Mrs Binners is very proud today. She’s a Wigan Lass and this is where she’s from ‘welcoming’ Joris Bohnson

“Cakes now being packed away”

🙂

somewhere nice where half the population aren’t small-minded, self-entitled dicks.

Whereas in Scotland 38% are small-minded, self-entitled dicks. If avoiding Leavers is the objective move to Cambridge.

…and since the vast majority of Scottish seats have gone to no-deal Leavers (of the UK) aren’t you just going somewhere with even more Nationalist small-minded, self-entitled dicks?

If you’d said were going for the scenery and the lower population density I’d agree with you.

So would a Tory voter,

True.

so would a Tory Government.

Have you read anything written by any of the current government about how provision of, and payment for, healthcare should be transformed in future. Go do so now. This is not just another Tory Government about to be elected, and people who have voted Tory in the past only have a few days to wake the **** up and realise that.