Thrashing around and slagging off and swearing about everyone outside your preferred little bubble is exactly what Johnson needs to get his majority

You might want to point that out to the libdems, did you listen yesterday? Far more time dedicated to attacking Corbyn than Johnson. Or, indeed to the likes of Binners.

Far more time dedicated to attacking Corbyn than Johnson

Yes, and the shadow chancellor (who I normally rate) seems to be spending all his time attacking the LibDems… I’m not claiming this missplaced energy is unique to this forum. In fact it comes from politicians at the top, and is then repeated by their tribal supporters. And it’s rife in all the opposition parties, and amongst their supporters. For this election, we either break out of this and work to defeat Conservative MPs, seat by seat, or accept a Johnson majority and spend five years arguing over who’s fault it is.

Added to the fact I live in a seat with a 66% winning Tory who has been there for 20+ years and the Leave vote was in the 60+%.

So there’s literally no risk or downside to you voting for the only Remain party and you still won’t do it. I bet you voted for a leave party in the last election too. At least then you had the fig leaf that there wasn’t a national remain party.

This is exactly why the EU have recently accepted we’re leaving. For a long while they thought a bit of delay and the opposition would stop Brexit. In the last couple of months they’ve accepted as fact that there’s no plan to stop Brexit and no desire stop Brexit. Hence this last time they were considering giving a short extension to force Parliament to accept the deal and get it done. We’re just a nation of whiners who are glad to have something to complain about. There’s a risk we’re going to prove it in the coming election. 🙁

Election is a tragic idea right now. The next 5 years of Government decided on Brexit alone. What a shitshow.

Election Bill is now amendable. Let’s see what opposition parties try lo to sneak in. Votes for 16-17yo, votes for EU residents!

Either we all stop bitching and blaming and do all we can to defeat the Tories, or Johnson gets in by default.

Whether Brexit happens or not, I want a government that will start to address the huge social problems we have ignored since 2015

Corbyn looks like he’s actually woke up from his usually stupefying torpor. I haven’t seen him this animated since he lost the last election. Apart from when he does his weekly, 10 second, PMQ’s shouty Youtube clip, he’s normally catatonic.

If he actually managed to look this animated, instead of his usual bored health and safety inspector routine, the labour party might be actually polling higher in the first place.

I see little difference between a lib dem MP and a tory one.

Liar.

go **** themselves

Grow up.

People like you will turn voters away from Labour, and Johnson will laugh all the way to his Xmas as PM.

So there’s literally no risk or downside to you voting for the only Remain party and you still won’t do it. I bet you voted for a leave party in the last election too. At least then you had the fig leaf that there wasn’t a national remain party.

I will vote Green just as I always do as a Green party member thanks. They get about as many votes as Lib Dems where I live so will be helping to take a few of that 66% that the tory MP will no doubt be getting. As I said, I won’t vote Lib Dem because they are shit – shit policies and a shitty leader.

Either we all stop bitching and blaming and do all we can to defeat the Tories, or Johnson gets in by default.

Whether Brexit happens or not, I want a government that will start to address the huge social problems we have ignored since 2015

I said God Damn!

Come together beat the Tories. Forget personality focus on the policy. Personality is where we got Boz from.

Looks like Boris could yet resort to type and pull it if certain amendments are tabled.

That would be quite funny…..

martinhutch

Member

I support enfranchisement, but this is a bit of an ambush.

Not from the SNP point of view, they’ve consistently supported widening voting rights for a long time now

Not from the SNP point of view, they’ve consistently supported widening voting rights for a long time now

I meant tacking it onto a bill which has a different purpose. TBH, it is the sort of major electoral change which requires proper debate and its own legislation. Then they can disenfranchise anyone over the age of 70, or who reads the Daily Mail at the same time.

Of course they will never be in power anyway so voting Lib Dem is a waste of anybodies time.

No it isn’t. Of course they won’t win an overall majority but if there is a chance of replacing a Con MP with an LD that reduces the Con majority. My constituency is a marginal Con/LD, it has swung both ways in recent GEs. Currently Con but my feeling is there’s a good chance it can swing back to LD. So it’s not a wasted vote..

Election is a tragic idea right now. The next 5 years of Government decided on Brexit alone. What a shitshow.

I agree, Brexit shouldn’t be decided by GE – especially as it’s essentially a cross-party issue anyway. But, we may be stuck with it. So if you don’t want Brexit and you think it’s the biggest issue facing the country, then stuff all your normal voting practices and vote tactically.

If the SNP can get something out of this they’ve been pushing for years, then why shouldn’t they?

Worth a punt, maybe, but given that they professed to actually want an election, they shouldn’t get too surprised or annoyed if Boris pulls the bill in response.

but if there is a chance of replacing a Con MP with an LD that reduces the Con majority. My constituency is a marginal Con/LD, it has swung both ways in recent GEs. Currently Con but my feeling is there’s a good chance it can swing back to LD. So it’s not a wasted vote..

And likewise, if there is the chance of getting a Labour MP over the line against a Tory, LD voters should be holding their noses and voting Labour if they are serious about stopping a hard(er) Brexit. Even if the Labour MP previously had a reasonable majority, as they could actually be hanging on for grim life come polling day.

The name of the game is preventing Tory MPs getting elected. In the relatively small number of constituencies which could pivot, both Labour and LibDem voters need to look critically at whether voting for their ‘team’ is going to allow a Tory to get in.

@kelvin – I’ve been a LibDem supporter most of my voting life (which is quite long now) so I’m the one to blame for the student grant firago. I’m lucky to be in a constituency where there is a good chance of an LD MP. If it was neck and neck between LAB and Con I would undoubtedly vote LAB, even given the uncertainty of their Brexit approach. Again, it potentially reduces the Con majority, which has to be the principle aim of anyone still wishing to halt Brexit. Or indeed anyone with any principles!

We’re in the Skipton and Ripon constituency – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skipton_and_Ripon_(UK_Parliament_constituency) if the current MP lost then I’d be amazed as at the last election he’d more than twice the number of votes of the next most popular candidate.

oh well

So, Lindsay Hoyle has selected Corbyn date change to Dec 9 and Ian Murray date change to May 7 2020. But NOT selected 16/17yrolds and EU citizens amendments. https://t.co/M5jDkGB73J

— Paul Waugh (@paulwaugh) October 29, 2019

certain amendments havent been selected

Johnson will get what he wants

I will vote Green just as I always do as a Green party member thanks.

Then you’re not a remainer, or not in any meaningful way. The greens are so extreme in their Euro-skepticism that Farage voted for them when he decided the Tories weren’t Brexity enough for him.

Let’s take a look at their current EU policy (I know you’re familiar with it, but others might not be):

https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/eu.html

EU301 The present EU structures are fundamentally flawed.

EU310 The Green Party believes that the excessive influence of the Commission and its associated bodies compared to the Council and Parliament is both undemocratic and unaccountable.

The CJEU should be given a statute which defines and limits its powers

The CJEU should no longer be allowed to promote European integration in its judgements

EU401 The single market may be summarised as a massive restructuring of capital around a small number of large corporations and financial institutions