[Closed] Would you be worried about buying this due to the dent?

It would stop me from buying it.

Offer him £300 for a quick sale

That'll be reet. I had a Zaskar from new with a miles bigger dent than that and it went on for 10 years. Shame its a small.

There is always another bike out there. I tend to hang out for good ones. A dent and a new rear says to me that it may have had a hard life so far.

iolo - Member

Offer him £300 for a quick sale

LOL, it's his frame !

I wouldn't touch it due to the dent, not unless it way waaaaaaaay cheaper.

If I dented my frame like that I'd happily carry on riding it but I wouldn't be happy buying it pre-dented unless it was dirt cheap.

I had a massive dent in a Enduro frame I bought from another STW'er. He'd ridden it like that for years. I had no problem riding it as I was told by a reliable source 'under or above tube can equal bad. Side = ok.

I'd ride that frame you linked happily.

Quite surprised that someone piped up and stated that people would be worried over the structural integrity of the dent, really?

Nobody is throwing a hissy fit. Someone just pointed out that your ad started with 'no dents'. Obviously you stated why after.

What puts me off is that you say in every way the bike has had a hard life (perceived or actual) frame done under warranty, shock done under warranty. Bushings knackered. Hand bike out to mates who don't look after it.

Hasn't your mate offered to take it off your hands at your asking price?

As others have said, I wouldn't worry about the dent but I would value the frame closer to £500 or £600 - due to expected difficulty of re-sale.

You might have got your asking price anyway if there wasn't a new wheelsize knocking about and it wasn't a fortnight til Xmas though.

Also, your advert and responses do come across a bit stroppy in places, if you don't mind me saying.

EDIT: And the buyer has to source a mech hanger and another bit to get it running?

🙂

Bikes/frames half in value the first year they are ridden and then a further 10% each consecutive year after that. So in good nick for that frame with shock serviced £1k. But that does look like a sizeable dent though, although might just be the camera angle. I've not checked out the pinkbike advert. I doubt it would fail but anyone buying a Yeti wants it to look the balls and with a big dent on the top tube, that one doesn't as it's right in your face every time you look down. Plus as you've mentioned it has had a hard life.

What puts me off is that you say in every way the bike has had a hard life (perceived or actual) frame done under warranty, shock done under warranty. Bushings knackered. Hand bike out to mates who don't look after it.

This, and it's a piss take that you're not including a mech hanger. Buy a new one if you want to sell.

You saying "it'll be fine" would do nothing to encourage me either, you have a vested interest in saying that. Starting threads like this also does nothing - you're just spamming the forum to get some interest.

At the end of the day the people have spoken - it's not sold. Whether because of the dent, the price, the history or because it's 10 days before Xmas and people don't have that money to throw away on themselves.

All interesting responses, always good to get points of view outside your own.

Also, your advert and responses do come across a bit stroppy in places, if you don't mind me saying.

Yea, it is all leaving me with a little bit of a bad taste.

I realised at time of listing that my expectations and the typical STW buying expectation may not be in sync, growing to realise that are drifting further and further out of sync.

To me bikes are tools, a tool has certain requirements, if something fulfils those requirements (geometry, suspension, structural integrity in this case) then it's a goer.

It might just have to go to the ebay wolves.

deanfbm - Member

All interesting responses, always good to get points of view outside your own.

Also, your advert and responses do come across a bit stroppy in places, if you don't mind me saying.

Yea, it is all leaving me with a little bit of a bad taste.

I realised at time of listing that my expectations and the typical STW buying expectation may not be in sync, growing to realise that are drifting further and further out of sync.

To me bikes are tools, a tool has certain requirements, if something fulfils those requirements (geometry, suspension, structural integrity in this case) then it's a goer.

It might just have to go to the ebay wolves

Leaving a bad taste because no-one wants to buy your frame ?

Just because you perceive bikes as 'tools' to be lobbed on the floor, given to mates and then sold on in a completely unrideable state (mechnhanger) obviously the general STW public doesn't agree.

If i'm buying a frame I want to know I can have it built and ready to go ASAP, having to source my own mech hanger when it's you that owns the frame is bordering on the ridiculous.

Personally i'd have to buy 2 hangers as I always have a spare for a frame... so that's £40 on top straight away.

I wouldn't go for it that dent is on the top tube and under compression so not ideal by any stretch whereas if it was under the down tube I would.

I think you have a few things up against you; Time of year, dent, small size (albeit a big small, but people don't check) on paper it looks like a well used example & you're asking top dollar for it.

I know it's got a nice shock, but again, it doesn't add any real value. I'd say it was worth more like £500-600, which sucks. I'd have thought a well worded Ebay ad is probably your best out of it.

This little gem is amazing though:

Bikes/frames half in value the first year they are ridden and then a further 10% each consecutive year after that.

It's clueless idea's like this that don't help. Then he goes & condradicts himself wonderfully in the next sentence.

I would add that "I'm a structural engineer, therefore it will be ok- trust me!" doesn't have the effect that you think it may have.

Trust me on this.

I realised at time of listing that my expectations and the typical STW buying expectation may not be in sync, growing to realise that are drifting further and further out of sync.

Still stroppy then. To be honest I can't see much that has been said that is getting you all moody about.

You come across as a bit arrogant and churlish to be honest.

To me bikes are tools, a tool has certain requirements, if something fulfils those requirements (geometry, suspension, structural integrity in this case) then it's a goer.

That's the thing dean. I think most people on STW/or those that buy a yeti, just want something that looks nice for pootling round swinley forest or wherever they ride. In this instance, that dent and the off colour rear won't be helping.

Ebay is probably a good bet, maybe after xmas now though. Just stick it on for seven days with no reserve and see what you get. If it's not looking good, just get a few mates to bid on it 😉

Plus comments like this:

now working in aerospace industry.

mean jack sh*t to people. You could be an air steward...

This little gem is amazing though:

Bikes/frames half in value the first year they are ridden and then a further 10% each consecutive year after that.
It's clueless idea's like this that don't help. Then he goes & condradicts himself wonderfully in the next sentence.

But that is the rule of thumb, don't totally agree, but it's not a million miles off, and how does he contradict himself?

OP - if you know what the STW buyers want why don't you tailor your advert to suit? Rather than whinging that you have different requirements, and then that it doesn't sell?

The SB66 is a great frame but it isn't all that rare and most people don't ride them as hard as you do. And they're known for breaking... Sell it somewhere where people don't know how hard you've been ragging it. As you have an engineering degree you should know that alu alloy frames start fatiguing as soon as you start riding them and the harder you ride them the more quickly you'll exceed the cumulative limit.

I too see bikes more as tools than anything more special than that. But I don't expect to sell them secondhand for decent money. One could point out that you're fulfilling the engineer stereotype of not really understanding people... 😛

you're just spamming the forum to get some interest.

To be fair to dean, he's a regular forum user and must know that these kind of threads usually see the seller ripped to shreds and told his bike is worth toss all.

[i]I realised at time of listing that my expectations and the typical STW buying expectation may not be in sync, growing to realise that are drifting further and further out of sync[/i]

Oh, you mean mountain bikers?
Ebay's the place to do your selling then. Plenty like you on there!

One could point out that you're fulfilling the engineer stereotype of not really understanding people...

😉

Lessons learnt here people.

Too easy to fall into the trap of being a keyboard warrior.

Buyers market and all that.

Bitter pill reference - clash of culture, what I feel is correct vs what others feel is correct here.

I'm trying to get money though, so it's the market who is right in this instance.

Didn't know mech hanger would be an issue either. My mind would say a mech hanger won't take any longer to arrive than the frame, so no delays in building, but that's just my mind.

But that is the rule of thumb, don't totally agree, but it's not a million miles off, and how does he contradict himself?

In what reality? Mainstream tat maybe. I don't think i've seen any 'premium' brand frame selling at 40% of its value after 2 years. Even 2 year old Orange 5's still go for well over 50% of their SRP.

He suggests the 'golden calculation' and then reckons it's worth a grand. It's a 2 year old frame, that had an RRP of £1899. You do the maths if it's accepted selling formula 😉

So how any I clueless HobNob? If a bike is a 2012 model and cost £2k new then that's £1k now. What's wrong with that? I'm pretty sure I've bought, sold and built more bikes than you have.

Just read your reply and no not just mainstream tat. As you've already been told, I'm not a million miles off.

If it's been ridden the way a mountainbike should be and has been taken care of then yes around 40% prime example is the Turner Flux in the classifieds right now.

50%, then 10% a year. Unless it's 50% until 31st December then loses another 10% overnight...

Well, using that guide, I must have been selling all my old bike for way too much money. Fell sorry for the buyers now. Must have ripped them all off 🙁

Just like cars, bikes must depreciate due to age AND condition/usage. How many big drops and gaps has it ridden? How many landings has it cased? One of my mates jumps relatively big stuff and I wouldn't buy a frame off him - and funnily enough he just snapped his rear triangle on his 160mm full-sus. Even a middling skill regular rider like me is going to have given a frame a lot more of a beating than most!

10% of the 50%

I'll do the math for you
£2k frame
£1k after first year
£900 second year
£810 the next

Sorry for commenting. I also have got to sell a frame and I would not want loads of people bitching about it when I posted it up. I only thought it was a bit comic that you stated no dents and then the next picture showed a dent in the frame. Understand it was a copy paste error. I am sure you will sell it to the right person at the right price. I bought a new Nukeproof Mega AM frame instead of going the usual secondhand route this time. I bought that as I do not want to case my prophet trying out bigger drops and jumps.

To be fair the ad does come across as though you are rather grudgingly offering your frame to an undeserving public!

"I know how pedantic you lot are..."

Ebay is less hassle and has fewer time wasters and you have a bit more protection from the charlatans. Just stick it on there instead, it will cost you 10% of the final selling price mind you but that's the price you pay for a quick hassle free sale.

Oh and get a mech hanger

Well, using that guide, I must have been selling all my old bike for way too much money. Fell sorry for the buyers now. Must have ripped them all off

Get over yourself. It's a bit of a guide for the value of things. I'd also pitch higher, but it's a starting point.

To be fair to dean, he's a regular forum user and must know that these kind of threads usually see the seller ripped to shreds and told his bike is worth toss all.

I realise that - but he could have posted the picture, rather than linking directly to the classified ad. There's a classified forum, a discussion is taking place there. It doesn't need reposting in other places. Just annoys me that sort of thing.

It's a dent, and if it was your own frame you'd keep riding it.

Unfortunately, Yeti have recently slashed the prices on the all aluminium SB66 frames - you can get them for £1400 from various places, and the new alu version has a carbon rear end, which means that the value of second hand ones has fallen through the floor.

I reckon it's a combination of the above and that it's a week before Christmas, not just the dent which means it's not selling.

As a bit of defense for Dean: the dent wouldn't really bother me, although I'd expect some cash off. Likewise the fact that it's had a hard life would mean the price would have to be more negotiable. But if that was a large (and came with a hanger!) then I'd buy it.

I think the keyboard warriors are being a bit harsh.

I think some more info might help alleviate any fears that the frame has been thrashed, eg why was the rear replaced and why was the shock warrantied. Also what caused the dent in the top tube - knee, bars, or rock? My only concern would be if the tube was bent as well as the dent which you can't tell from the photo really.

For example my rear shock was serviced under warranty, due to a manufacturing fault, so that would give no issues to worry about in terms of it being thrashed.

Personally no I would't consider it with the dent at half the asking price. Plus given what @justin says above regarding the availability of new frames why would you buy this one.

tbh, I think this thread has killed any chance of selling it for the asking price on here - too many questions/observations. Try ebay with a reserve maybe?

Was actually considering the frame when it came up on the classifieds but it does look look/sound like its had a hard life. Dent aside, the photo of the dent in the link also shows half the cable guide has been 'sawn' off by a gear/brake cable

the marks at the top of the dent look worryingly close to being creases too?

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Your mate rode it. He broke it. He pays. Stick it on eBay for £300 and he makes up the difference.
Or get it written off by lbs (it looks like that) and get onto your insurance.
All you need to know is this is not the first and definitively not the last yeti to break. It's probably cracked elsewhere if you look closely.

@wwaswas's posting that picture says the frame is worth nothing. It's a tough market out there and these are "damaged goods".

I have to agree, if i'd seen that pic, I doubt we'd have even made 5 posts in the thread.

Is that a crack in the frame/paint or the sticker?

Top tube gives the impression of being bent but could just be a combination of the camera angle and curved tube.

I do know someone looking for a small frame like this, so not trolling btw.

That pic makes it look bad, but the others on pinkbike make it look completely trivial.

As others have mentioned though - just the general hard life would put me off.

What I would do is take some better shots (ones that show it exactly but don't make it look worse than it is), make a really honest description (without the aerospace stuff), say inspection welcome, etc and be a little more patient.

Dont know if its been said but your best bet is to split it up - sell the rear and, the linkages and the shock separate- and the mainframe for scrap as that's what it is.

If its your bike you continue riding it and be proud of your battle damage (like a war wound).... but your not going to buy it like that. Who wants someone else's battle damage! when you buy yourself a new toy like that you want it be perfect (or only cosmetics if second hand). Otherwise you would just be looking sadly at it all the time wishing you saved up for a little longer.

That picture isn't a fair portrayal of the dent. I literally did not find it until I was stripping down the bike, ran my finger along the TT and felt a dip.

I think the appearance of a crease is due to light/angle/tube curvature etc.

I think I'm going to get some better pictures of dent, a rule up against it from various angles just to show how square or out of square everything is.

I'm really quite surprised how put off people are by this, but you learn.

As I say, I buy based on performance, in my mind, performance has not been compromised, comes with a shock that really does make the bike so much better, but hey ho, people want different things from bikes.

Something like the paint wear on the guides, that's a zero issue to me, the guides are there to hold the cables and to protect the frame, the paint damage is hidden by the cables.

in my mind, performance has not been compromised

You're not the one buying it fella... you're the one trying to sell it... Your opinion on it's structural integrity is irrelevent

[i]in my mind, performance has not been compromised[/i]

but as a prospective buyer it's very difficult to be as sure that the long term viability of the frame is unaffected.

Maybe it's like advertising a car with a dent in the wing. Performance unaffected but it'll impact the price because it introduces doubt in the buyers mind.

As I say, I buy based on performance,

How do you do that then when buying through classifieds as all you have to go on are descriptions, pictures and gut feeling

dent in the wing. Performance unaffected but it'll impact the price because it introduces doubt in the buyers mind.

The wing doesn't add any structural integrity... it's more like seeing a dent in a chasis.

If it's not that bad you really need a photo directly down the top tube because that looks like its bent out to the side as well as dented.

How do you do that then when buying through classifieds as all you have to go on are descriptions, pictures and gut feeling

Bit of an odd statement. Isn't the performance of something the same regardless of being new or second hand, assuming everything is functioning and has been maintained correctly?

An old frame is going to perform just the same as a new one.

It was also presumptuous of me that when something is stated as replaced under warranty, that prior to failure, the product was used in a manner within the realms of what is expected, and that any repairs carried out is the manufacturer accepting liability that they messed up during manufacture of said product. This implies that the product was not manufactured to design specification (or there's a big problem they're hiding) not that the product was used outside its intention.

/keyboard warrior mode for a bit. It's really hard to control.

MTB frame in hard life shocker. Who'd have guessed it?

@Deanfbm:
Have you contacted Silverfish about a crash replacement price on the front end?

IIRC the back end is the same on all the models, so if you wanted to get a medium front end, I'm sure they'd hook you up.
You're saying that the reason for sale is that it's too short, why not try and do that?

Damn sight easier to sell a medium than a small anyway, when the time comes to move it on...

An old frame is going to perform just the same as a new one.

Not if it breaks

Mountain bikers do make me laugh sometimes...and i include myself in that statement!

Comments like 'i wouldnt buy as it looks like its had a generally hard life'.....erm yes, its a mountain bike and it will have been designed and built for that purpose....hopefully.

Although the comments about Yetis cracking on a regular basis would put me off the brand entirely rather than this particular model, if a supposedly good manufacturer has a reputation for frames that break then surely they're not fit for purpose in general?...in which case how does a firm like Yeti get to command high prices for their frames?....bizarre.

As somebody else alluded to, a lot of 'mountain' bikes get wheeled out around Swinley once a week and polished to within an inch of their lives.
There comes a point when people should admit they bought for fashion reasons or that perhaps they overspent and are now worried about damaging a bike that cost thousands.

I've been there with Motorcycles, to the point that i wouldnt ride the bloody thing if there was a cloud in the sky and the slightest chance of rain.
It was ridiculous and detracted from my enjoyment of riding motorbikes....to an extent it was similar with my last FS mountain bike too.
The solution?....life is too short, with my 30s coming to an end and riding time (both mountain bikes and motorbikes) increasingly precious i decided to downgrade both the bikes....the end result is i now have a mountain bike i can happily put away dirty and not feel guilty for doing so and also rag the arse off it knowing that i wont cry if it gets dented and wont cost the earth to replace if the damage is terminal.

I agree with the OP's sentiment, bikes are tools that allow you to enjoy the hobby which is riding....but bizarrely we get hung up on the tool itself!....a great, blingy and expensive bike on a crappy trail will result in a boring ride but a cheap bike (perhaps second hand, maybe end of year clearance, damaged stock etc) on a great trail will result in an enjoyable ride....its not the bike, its the trail....we know this which is why holidays in Canada, the Alps etc are so popular as terrain like that is hard to come by on these shores....and yet the irrational part of us always puts far more importance than is necessary on the tool required for the job....i.e this new squash racquet will make me a better player, no it wont....increased fitness and skills coaching will do.

The same is true for mountain biking and most sports to be fair....companies know this which is why advertising works and marketing budgets are huge, we are easily lured by the new and shiny.

If I was in the market I wouldn't let it put me off, especially as you said you're prepared to offer a refund if it does go kaput.

I think people are just being bitchy as they'll never own a Yeti 🙂

Your ad would put me off.

Paint work shows sign of use, no significant scratches IMO, but i know how pedantic some people can be, if you really insist i can get more pictures of all marks.

If I really insist? Sorry you've lost me as a buyer straight away.

Rear triangle is a warranty replacement, so again if you're pedantic, it is a slightly darker turqoise than the front triangle.

Rear shock has just been serviced and rebuilt under warranty. It really transforms the bike, none of that fox boost valve harshness then wallow then bottom out, just consistent, predictable use if travel.

Getting rid because it really is just about too small for me, im 5ft 10. I refuse to run a longer stem than 50mm, with a 70mm stem it would be perfect for me, but would ruin the handling for me.

I don't give a monkeys that it's too small for you or that you refuse to run a longer stem or that you like the colour green and drink PG tips. By this point the ad has turned into a bit of a joke.

I must iterate if used as a trail bike, seated most of the time, the bike has an eff tt bigger than any other small, the size of most mediums, it's the standing length which is small (but still on the small to med size).

Requires switch link bump stop (£2.95) and mech hanger (cant find my spare).

Reason for price drop - friend rode it, hit a gap blind and put a dent in the TT.

If you're are seriously interested, talk to me about price if it feels steep.

Basically your add is total shite. Take out all of this and only put the facts about the frame and the price. Then you might get a buyer.

@kudos100 Feel better for getting that off your chest? It's already been said countless times and the OP has since responded to most points and accepts his original ad may not have been ideal. No need to keep kicking a man when he's down.

FWIW, I am looking for a small bike for my son and clicked on the original ad. Now I am not a tart when it comes to bikes and my stinky has a way bigger dent that that in the top tube but, my initial reaction was that you were having a laugh with the price and clicked away.

Its too expensive and there are comparable frames out there cheaper and not damaged so what is a buyer going to do? No amount of sniping is going to change the fact that the market has decided its not a good deal.

I'm really quite surprised how put off people are by this

Really? its not just a bit of cosmetic paint scuffing, its a dent in a tube. If it happened to one of my bikes I'd be gutted, and I'd expect the frame to be unsellable. I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole unless it was being given sway. Why buy damaged goods when there will be better examples around?

I think people are just being bitchy as they'll never own a Yeti

or have seen how reduced Yetis are regularly sold for, which hammers the value of a used bike, even one that isnt damaged? oh sorry, smiley face 🙂

from a PSA a month ago...

http://www.mountainbikebitz.com/2013-yeti-clearance-c-8365.html

[i]the comments about Yetis cracking on a regular basis[/i]

Yes, my 2006 Yeti has cracked on a regular basis.

Whatever the reasons, I don't really care, but the level of snark on here is uncalled for. Saying that, I don't know why I expected any different as STW is famous for it. Happy face 🙂

He asked.... the forum answered...

If you don't want to know the answer to why your frame isn't selling....

Don't ask the question.

I could start a thread about why no-one has bought my Spearfish .... But... it's not dented... so I don't know.

Maybe it's the puke blue forks.

Take some quality photos of the frame stripped down

Take photos of the dent that do not make it look like the TT is bent

Get a stop and a mech hanger

Get the bearings replaced

Wait until spring

Then you might get near to that price if you are very very very lucky

@kudos100 Feel better for getting that off your chest? It's already been said countless times and the OP has since responded to most points and accepts his original ad may not have been ideal. No need to keep kicking a man when he's down.

Op asked a question, I gave the reasons why I would be put off. Wasn't trying to kick him while he was down.

If you want to sell something it helps if you don't alienate potential buyers throughout your ad.

Edit: I realise my reply was not the most constructive. I felt the Op needed a reality check about the ad, but could have read the previous comments more closely.

from a PSA a month ago...

those SB66 frames are twice the price of this one? Or am I missing something.

those SB66 frames are twice the price of this one? Or am I missing something

Obviously.

1) they are new

2) If you'd read my post it would have been clear (given the quote I included) I was replying to another poster who said people posting here were bitter because they couldnt afford Yetis

3) regarding the OP, he's suggesting 700 quid is good value for a used, damaged frame because it retails new for £2K. My point is that the frame can be had new for £1389, which makes the OPs frame half the price of a brand new one. Which isnt good value.

Frame 700
Stop + hanger 35
Bearing kit 110 (unfitted)

= 845

And its still got a dent and a colour mismatch

Fact is you can get something similar in much better nick for that

Frame 700
Stop + hanger 35
Bearing kit 110 (unfitted)

= 845

And its still got a dent and a colour mismatch

Fact is you can get something similar in much better nick for that

Thats the crux of the matter, its a lot of money (irrespective of the original RRP) for something very much second hand and damaged....you can buy new stuff that is just as good if not better for that money.

With that kind of damage and a few niggling problems to sort out, the price needs to grab people's attention as a bit of a bargain....£250 and tell your mate he'll be buying the beers for the forseeable future.

tell your mate he'll be buying the beers for the forseeable future.

You break it ,you buy it 😉

Just send him a link to this thread if you're not keen on broaching the subject with your mate.

The damage is not a dent. A dent is caused when something impacts the metal.
What you have there is a fold where the impact forces have caused a deflection in the frame causing the damage shown. Who knows what other damage has happened.

reckon iolo and wwaswas are right, looks like deformation / fold rather than a dent. Not sure if it suggests there must be more deformation elsewhere on the main triangle?

as to value, the depreciation formulas are one thing but then you need to reduce the price even more for the damage

This spring I paid £750 for a near immaculate and very well looked after ASR5 with carbon rear end, Hope headset, Salsa seatclamp and Syntace seatpost. Oh, and a mech hanger. I know it's an older model than this, but no-one had tried (and ever so slightly managed) to fold it in half on a jump.

If I was considering buying something like that I'd want several [i]decent[/i] photos showing the depth, length etc of the 'dent' and some with a ruler alongside it to show that the frame was still straight.

An internet pinky promise of 'I'll give you your money back if it fails' isn't all that reliable. You might genuinely mean it, but I don't know that you won't vanish as soon as I'm out of hospital after attempting another gap jump on it 😉

having gone back and looked at the pic on page 2 posted by wwaswas, I'd have to 'fourth' the feeling that is more of a bend than a dent.