slowoldman - Member
chewkw, you never cease to amaze me with your huge knowledge. You now demonstrate your amazing abilities as a military strategist.
Me military strategist? Where? 😯
EU bureaucrats say you have no say and you are not allowed to control.km79 - Member
I mean if the system allowed Chewkw to get in then maybe we do need stricter controls.
Remember I am the good one.
The ones you need to look out for are those that might chew you up and spit you out. 😛
Those evil bastard Germans, putting all that money into helping people live, we should get moptop to remind them about the war.
The vast majority of the people who came from Germany are not from Syria, Germany regards Afghanistan as a safe country. ****stan, Morocco, Tunisia etc ... So "helping people live" doesn't really wash. Germany has been underspending by €20-30bn year in year out. Why on earth should the US pickup the tab for that.
Me military strategist? Where?
Your brilliant solution to terrorism. "Press the button".
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slowoldman - Member
Me military strategist? Where?
Your brilliant solution to terrorism. "Press the button".
O that one ... I see ... ahhh ... true, true ...
That's No military strategy rather it is just a simple push of the button. For military strategy you need to think etc for this one there is no thinking. i.e. the enemy(s) just have to try not to poke that fellow with fingers on the button. 😛
On the plus side we will be front of the queue for a deal worse than TTIP. Which our shit sniffers will fall over themselves to sign.
@ninfan brilliant, what you can't see is she is holding a sign saying "SJW Snowflake here" 🙂
My French inlaws who have just taken citizenship in California where complaining and saying they had thought of going on a protest today. I just wanted to say to them WTF where you expecting ? They've been there 10 years and went when Bush ran the country.
After watching the world go a little darker today I thought of this oddly:
In ancient Roman times they supposedly had slaves whispering 'memento mori' (remember you are mortal) in the ears of successful emperors during parades of Triumph.
What happens to that Emperor when that slave isn't there anymore?
ninfan - Member
"NNNnnnnnnoooooo....!"
😆 So funny.
This parade in Washington looks more like a high security state funeral than anything else.
Apologies for the slight hijack but why do so many people hate Hilary? I understand why a certain type of bloke hates her but even a lot of middle of the road people seem to really viscerally dislike her.
I know about Whitewater and the emails but that cant be enough. Can it?
Apologies for the slight hijack but why do so many people hate Hilary?
She is a two-faced hypocritical warmonger with a misplaced sense of entitlement, that's enough for me to intensely dislike her and be hugely relieved that she is not US president.
s[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38698837 ]eems like trump not adverse to some fakery of his own[/url] 🙂
#faketurnout
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Another video of an Anti Trump protester screaming
jambalaya - Member
@ninfan brilliant, what you can't see is she is holding a sign saying "SJW Snowflake here"
About the same as when someone unleashed his Twitter fingers because his parody on SNL has a better approval rating or when an actress questioned his morals. Such a delicate little orange snowflake
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What happens to that Emperor when that slave isn't there anymore?
...Caligula
hh45 - MemberApologies for the slight hijack but why do so many people hate Hilary? I understand why a certain type of bloke hates her but even a lot of middle of the road people seem to really viscerally dislike her.
I know about Whitewater and the emails but that cant be enough. Can it?
In the far east we couldn't care less about her emails ...
What we Do Not want is the ex-Merican administration poking their noses into other countries' affairs. Stay out and stay gone. Let them fight.
They don't mind trading with Merican but certainly not their lackey.
What we Do Not want is the ex-Merican administration poking their noses into other countries' affairs. Stay out and stay gone. Let them fight.
Wow one page and the A is gone...
The US will be poking around in the far east, they will be having a go at china and starting a bit of a trade war.
@iolo and so it begins, I'm sure she is already working on her impeachment collection remember kids grab cash where ever you can and always keep the jut fuelled and ready to go (pass me the list of Russian golf resorts)
mikewsmith - Member
Wow one page and the A is gone...
The US will be poking around in the far east, they will be having a go at china and starting a bit of a trade war.
Merican can tango with China as long as they want coz both are no angels.
However, we certainly do not need another busy body know it all to poke into SE Asia's affairs.
We can deal with our own rotten apples ourselves and our styles. No need for others to tell us. Stay out & stay gone.
Glad you got the faith there...
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mikewsmith - Member
Glad you got the faith there...
Of course we have faith in our ways.
You can have all the riches and prosperity in the world but please leave us alone in SE Asia.
mikey74 - Member
Obama on left, Trump on right.
Now go ask those people who attended Obama inauguration with so much of a high hope, how they feel after so many years of ex-President Obama's administration.
You can have all the riches and prosperity in the world but please leave us alone in SE Asia.
Are you posting this from the Brockwell Seam in Cramlington?
Now go ask those people who attended Obama inauguration with so much of a high hope, how they feel after so many years of ex-President Obama's administration.
And you could maybe start by asking the poor ****ers still locked in Guantanamo...
Now go ask those people who attended Obama inauguration with so much of a high hope, how they feel after so many years of ex-President Obama's administration.
Gutted he's leaving, I imagine.
I was chatting to a friend of mine who's from Washington DC today and I mentioned I was actually feeling quite nauseous about Trump being sworn in and she replied saying that was pretty much the overriding feeling around Washington. She's a tour guide and gets to meet people from all over the country and World, so gets quite a disparate source of opinions.
I mentioned I was actually feeling quite nauseous about Trump being sworn in and she replied saying that was pretty much the overriding feeling around Washington.
defenders of the status quo crapping themselves - sounds like a win for Trump to me!
And you could maybe start by asking the poor ****ers still locked in Guantanamo...
He tried, but was blocked at every turn. He's certainly greatly reduced the numbers there. Perhaps you should look at your fellow republicans before blaming Obama:
Congress recently passed a law banning Guantanamo’s closureCongressional Republicans have repeatedly argued that releasing or transferring prisoners poses a threat to national security, and have fought against the installation’s closure. In the larger defense bill that the President signed into law in November, congressional Republicans included a measure, opposed by Obama, that prohibits the use of funds to close or abandon the prison, transfer detainees to the United States (or Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen) or build or modify facilities to house detainees in the United States.
From Time magazine.
defenders of the status quo crapping themselves - sounds like a win for Trump to me!
Try reading, and understanding, my whole post before commenting, please.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38698837 ]Trump's @POTUS Twitter account used Obama crowd image[/url]
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Huh. The more you know....
For decades, the US National Park Service provided official crowd estimates for gatherings on the National Mall.But the agency stopped providing counts after organisers at 1995's Million Man March threatened a lawsuit. They complained that the National Park Service undercounted attendance at the march.
Mikey - story is a bit more complex than that:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/01/why-obama-has-failed-to-close-guantanamo
(edit, and I'm sure that if Trump doesn't achieve something you would be perfectly happy accepting "some big boys in congress did it and ran away" as an excuse)
slowoldman - Member
You can have all the riches and prosperity in the world but please leave us alone in SE Asia.
Are you posting this from the Brockwell Seam in Cramlington?
That is the sentiment in SE Asia. True.
lowest approval rating ever recorded (by a huge margin for an incoming president), 2 impeachment attempts underway
the shitshow wont last too long
And you could maybe start by asking the poor ****ers still locked in Guantanamo...
Happy that they will get some new mates soon? Ready for a bit more water boarding? Perhaps you could explain how Trump will make their lives better.
And here is somebodys top. 50
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, ****stan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.
22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”
23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.
24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.
25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.
26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.
27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.
28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.
29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.
30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.
31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.
32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.
33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.
34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.
35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.
36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.
37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.
38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.
39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.
40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.
41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.
42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.
43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.
44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.
45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.
46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.
47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.
48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.
49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.
50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.
http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
Mikey - story is a bit more complex than that:
Of course it is. However, US politics is all about choosing your battles. Fighting for the closure of Guantanamo would have made everything else pretty much impossible; hence why the Obama administration couldn't adopt a "close it at any cost" attitude.
Anyway, your hero, Trump, promises to keep it open and re-populate it, so you really have no right to beat Obama with that stick.
kimbers - Member
lowest approval rating ever recorded (by a huge margin for an incoming president), 2 impeachment attempts underwaythe shitshow wont last too long
Good. Now let's bet.
Wanna bet he will see through his first term with ease?
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Mikey - story is a bit more complex than that:
Oh the irony of picking a one liner to attack Obama then coming back with its more complicated than that and then to find out your heron wants more of it...
Good. Now let's bet.
You were offering worse odds than the bookies
No sincerity, she has changed her stance on so many isuses.
General view that Clintons are easily bought for the right (high) price
Her record as Secretary of State was poor not least her handling of the Benghazi incident (and subsequent cover up)
See this video for example
mikewsmith - Member
Good. Now let's bet.
You were offering worse odds than the bookies
OKay, I give you 1/2 (think that's the way they write) as I want to have fun too.
How about it?
I shall put aside £1k for the bet. 😛
Everyone let's have fun but forget about those casino style den ... we are just have minor fun here. A small bet.
Good. Now let's bet.Wanna bet he will see through his first term with ease?
youre on!
crate of beer says he doesnt go the distance
kimbers - Member
Good. Now let's bet.
Wanna bet he will see through his first term with ease?
youre on!crate of beer says he doesnt go the distance
OKay, he will see through Presidential term.
I prefer Cornish Pilsner so if I win I get a crate of that.
If you win I shall buy you 2 crates of beer so what brand of beer do you want? Brew dog? Newcastle brown ale?
not a newcie brown fan, doombar for me!
Trump in plagiarism shocker
hes obviously a villain, batman is so gonna kick his arse
Slight hijack folks ... nothing to see here.
kimbers - Member
not a newcie brown fan, doombar for me!
Okay Doombar it is ...
I just found out they are also brewed in Cornwall. 😛
I half expect the news to now include several
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moments as he details the pen he is using to sign something (available from Trump Pens) before namechecking his made in china ties and made in Mexico suits
and with much hilarity from a link above The First Lady has her page
Mrs. Trump cares deeply about issues impacting women and children, and she has focused her platform as First Lady on the problem of cyber bullying among our youth.
Obviously cyber bullying from creepy old men is not something she needs to look at.
Seriouisly who let that one out there
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jambalaya - Member
@hh45No sincerity, she has changed her stance on so many isuses.
General view that Clintons are easily bought for the right (high) price
Her record as Secretary of State was poor not least her handling of the Benghazi incident (and subsequent cover up)
hmmm, yeah trump doesn't change stance much eh...
trump has made a living being bought for a price and refuses to give up all business ties...
political record and handling of incidents... give him time...
the biff tannen timeline is now in full effect. Marty McFly can do no more!
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The only comment worth making here is that Biff hates manure.
Seems that after all his hooplah about signing over his business to his sons he hasn't filed any paperwork yet, presumably he's just been busy and wouldn't just lie to try and get people to stop asking questions.
I can understand why Clinton wasn't popular - extra judicial killings abroad aren't that friendly, although it's beyond me why Obama isn't also tainted in the same way.
However I can't help but think that being a near cert to win costs a candidate a ton of votes as people just assume their vote isn't needed.
Would I have bothered voting knowing Clinton was 80pc likely to win? Unless I'd already requested a postal vote I don't think I would have.
The truth is we never know why people vote/don't vote the way they do. It's anyone's guess.
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We're gonna have the best sharks. Trust me. I know sharks. Great fish. And we're gonna put laser beams on their heads. It's gonna be great. Bigly.
Her record as Secretary of State was poor not least her handling of the Benghazi incident (and subsequent cover up)
jambafact #378
“We will follow two simple rules: buy American and hire American.”
So, what kind of great UK/US trade deal will we get?
Amusingly I work for an American company. I'm not American so I guess I better update my CV.
Did anyone see the report in the "rust belt" and then all hoping for Trump's regeneration of it making them great again?
There's a reason it became a rust belt - the same one worldwide.
£/€/$ - Americans will not buy American anymore than the uk will buy U.K. If the cost is more than we are prepared to pay.
No one will pay $5 a litre when it's $5 a gallon and they definitely won't pay the equivalent difference for other stuff - the exact reason they have a rust belt.
American industry is too expensive.
Nothing the orange idiot can do to change that unless he has billions stashed somewhere to subside it.
Even if he does they won't wear that as something else will lose out.
I wonder if his company will also need to apply these rules as well?
I have never known a poster on here be so openly mocked by so many as jamby is for his "facts"
Is jamby fact just the polite way of calling him a liar and saying he is a BS ? I am never really sure what it actually means
Americans will not buy American anymore than the uk will buy U.K. If the cost is more than we are prepared to pay.
You say that as if there is a linear relationship between cost of production and retail price. For the vast majority of consumer goods that couldn't be further from the truth.
We're gonna have the best sharks. Trust me. I know sharks. Great fish. And we're gonna put laser beams on their heads. It's gonna be great. Bigly.
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Is jamby fact just the polite way of calling him a liar and saying he is a BS ? I am never really sure what it actually means
They're not lies as such, they're just dispatches from an alternate reality.
I never quite get the Hillary Benghazi thing . Republicans blocked extra funding for embassy security , embassy hit by attack Hillary follows a standard but military sound maxim of not reinforcing failure by sending in the few resources in the area which would have been too little too late. Thus saving us lives . The Administration condemn the attack and declare they will get revenge but don't use the T word until the background is known . H is held personally responsible as if she ordered it and as if it was the worst attack on the US ever ?
I know there isn't ninfan but every economy out there will will pay the least they can for stuff.
Internet shopping is proof of that.
How many will [i]actually[/I] pay more when they can have it next day, free delivery, free returns, etc with a couple of clicks....,
So unless "murica " are going to support subsided loss leaders the rust belt will remain so
Using similar orders, the new president also signed into law a new national day of patriotism
And it starts....
Protectionism is one way that can work. Perhaps the only way.
Protectionism you say
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@hammyuk - But you're mixing up supply side and consumer choice
If it's cheaper for the manufacturer to produce domestically than abroad, they will. Trumps threatened import tariffs are a hugely potent weapon, without a direct impact on retail price - because the price is not only set by what the market will bear, but an increase in production cost of many goods would have no significant effect on the margin. Apple is probably one of the best examples there, production and assembly is estimated at about $5, out of a manufacturing cost of about $220. If it cost even four times as much to produce/assemble in the USA, then the effect on manufacturing costs is small, and the effect on retail margin insignificant.
There's a reason it became a rust belt - the same one worldwide.
£/€/$ - Americans will not buy American anymore than the uk will buy U.K. If the cost is more than we are prepared to pay.
Yep. Trump said he'll force Apple to make iPhones in the US.
There are good reasons that they (along with lots of other smartphones and tablets) are made in China by Foxcon. Cost and working conditions. Foxcon employees live on site and work long hours doing repetitive tasks for very little money (in dollar terms). Very little in the way of employee rights or possibility of promotion. Are these really the jobs the US wants back?
Plus Foxcon have already decided that a meatbag production workforce is too expensive and are in the process of replacing them with "Foxbots". They produce 10,000 Foxbots a year to do this. Those jobs are gone and no amount of rhetoric will bring them back.
I'm not ninfan - I'm looking at it from an overall perspective.
Unless Trump is able to find a ridiculous amount of money to bring that cost down to an acceptable level then those manufacturers that walked and/or went pop in the first place thus creating the "rust belt" are not going to move back to the US along with the $billions it will cost to rebuild the now crumbling infrastructure.
Same reason Detroit, etc are wastelands.
The effect on retail margin might seem insignificant but add that up across everything sold and the profit margin decreases - that is the bottom line that will stop them coming back.
There are good reasons that they (along with lots of other smartphones and tablets) are made in China by Foxcon. Cost and working conditions.
And also know-how: Foxconn are pretty amazing at making stuff.
They make a number of product for us; it's astonishing what they do, and the volumes they produce. They have rows of PCB reflow machines stacked in-line with pick-and-place machines. Each one of those machines must cost a fortune.
They've got some lines using people, but others that are completely automated (using a robot arm and some magic).
I wonder if there are that many places in the US that could replicate that now.
..assembly is estimated at about $5, out of a manufacturing cost of about $220. If it cost even four times as much to produce/assemble in the USA, then the effect on manufacturing costs is small...
Small numbers make big differences at these scales though. I've worked with electronics manufacturers who will happily rejig a design to save a penny or two on a part.
Foxconn’s Zhengzhou factory alone produces 500,000 iPhones a day. So you're talking about the difference between a bill of $2,500,000 a day compared to $10,000,000 a day (and even then I think you are grossly underestimating at four times the cost).
Apple is probably one of the best examples there, production and assembly is estimated at about $5, out of a manufacturing cost of about $220. If it cost even four times as much to produce/assemble in the USA, then the effect on manufacturing costs is small, and the effect on retail margin insignificant.
$15 is essentially all of our margin and then some. Consumer electronics is utterly cut-throat and that would double the cost of our products.
They make a number of product for us; it's astonishing what they do, and the volumes they produce. They have rows of PCB reflow machines stacked in-line with pick-and-place machines. Each one of those machines must cost a fortune.
There's the rub. Investment. It's been the catalyst for the Far East economy.
Bit of a tangent, but
We are looking at outsourcing our DNA sequencing to the Beijing genomics institute, our big £ multi million sequencing project is becoming very expensie , here in the UK as all consumables and equipment are priced in USD, reducing the power of the study and the chances of future funding for the institute.
Even though BGI charge us in USD they are still incredibly competitive, using the same US made machines but on a huge scale.
http://www.nature.com/news/china-s-bid-to-be-a-dna-superpower-1.20121
They have just opened an incredibly cheap new programme for beta testing I'm guessing using their own technology, but they have big backing from the government, that only America rivals.
The price they are offering is way below anything we can match here. Or in the USA.
The world has changed.
The world has changed.
I think you will find we recently voted to turn the clocks back to 1963.
Even when silent, you sound loud. You are, in fact, an avalanche of contradictions: real and unreal, scary yet amusing, fact and fiction rolled into one – like a little rubber Mount Rushmore blown up to actual size by the use of helium. You confuse us. We want to laugh at your stumbles, but are petrified by what those stumbles may lead to. You are the worst person ever; and yet not as bad as Mike Pence.But you do have a definite sense of purpose. While Hillary Clinton hedged and played the game, you said it straight. You’ve been very clear: deport, build, repeal, replace. Everywhere you go, you shatter ossified politics. You slice through frozen convention like an icebreaker: set on a steady forward direction, leaving a stinking slick of oil and dead fish parts in its wake.
It was worth it, though, because of where you are now. This is the best moment, isn’t it? Just as you’ve taken the oath of office, but still not worn down by that office. Frozen in your moment of history. All those doubters, the mewling enemies and haters, are silenced now: you are the 45th president of the US. That’s a fact. It’s true.
They used to tease you about your attitude to the truth, didn’t they? All your post-reality fictoid-facts, like how global warming was a myth invented by the Chinese, how you respected all women without exception, except the greedy, grasping, ugly ones who were trying to suck you dry, how Obama wasn’t born in America, and also how you put everyone right when you said he was.
And that rigged election: you had evidence the election was rigged against you and you were going to lose, and then, when you won it fair and square, you had proof you would have won it even more fairly and squarely had it not been rigged against you so you couldn’t win so bigly. And now they say the Russians rigged the election, and you say the election wasn’t rigged, it was never rigged, and you’ve been saying for months: it was never rigged.
Yes, you were mocked nightly by damp-souled liberals who joked you couldn’t tell fact from fantasy. Well, guess what? If you now tweeted, “I am the 45th president of the United States”, not a single person would doubt you. Because it’s true. You’re the president. Fact! No scientist, no economist, no so-called expert can call you out. You are literally the most important man on Earth, in the solar system, maybe even the galaxy. Right now, everything in the universe revolves around you.
But then comes the hard bit. The bit after this week. The rest of the presidency. That’s the bit others say can’t be controlled. Something will go wrong. Some screwball no-mark in some pointless department will answer a letter to an elector, and end up saying the wrong thing about China, or single moms, or car manufacturers, or dyslexia, thinking that they’re echoing your opinion. Then your enemies will report it, and then people will think it came from you. Then your press secretary will deny that’s what you meant and blame the no-mark, and name her. Then the no-mark will complain about sexism or bullying or some such artificial crime. Then you’ll act big, go against expectations, and apologise to that person.
Then some other people, your enemies, will imply you’re a pussy. Your staff who attacked her and defended you, will express annoyance that you are contradicting what they’re saying. Then the person you apologised to, well, she’ll get arrogant and say how upset she was by what happened, and then you’ll have to tweet what she was really like when you met her, how annoying she was, how she’s just looking for a bigger job and a TV contract, and how you’re going to ask Congress to look into that department she works for and find out what’s going on.
But, even then, it won’t go away, and there’ll be maybe a hundred other little, stupid stories like that which will never leave you alone, all because other people are fools and losers. And so one night, you’ll tweet something bad about China and single moms and car manufacturers and dyslexics, all in one tweet, and the whole cycle will start all over again, and take up so much time, it’ll look like that wall will never get built.
And so, for the next four years, you’ll try to do stuff. With luck, the next eight years. (If your plan comes right, the next 12, even 16 years, too.) But this crap will keep coming up, won’t it? This not-smart, so-overrated nonsense from the false media, determined to undermine you. They’ll say you’re mishandling foreign affairs, causing conflict and hardship, arousing enmity, bitterness and division. It’s all designed to make people not like you, isn’t it? But you can get round that. You will tell people, again and again, that they do like you. That everything else they’ve heard isn’t true. And it will work. It always works.
You will explain that the things that come from your mouth are not necessarily the things that come from your heart. You will remind people that things are true not when they are real but when you believe them. You will urge the media to concentrate on covering people’s fears and feelings, rather than the dull objects and information that clutter up their potentially beautiful lives.
Why don’t crime reporters report that people feel a bit funny about Mexicans? Why don’t economists measure how freaked out people are about what might happen to their jobs one day, especially if your enemies were in charge? Why don’t the weather people point out, at the end of the show, just how everyone is feeling so much better because of the work you’re doing, and how that’s making them cope with whatever rain or cloud comes their way? Why don’t newscasters show the graphs that prove that anyone who fires a gun in America might well be a Muslim?
Of course, the liberal media will have fun, won’t they, doing their little crazy skits about how there’s no need for reporters any more because we just have to say whatever it is we think sounds true. “Over now to our Chief-Bad-Feeling-About-China correspondent”; “We join our crime correspondent live outside the home of a suspicious couple new to the neighbourhood who keep themselves to themselves”; “And that’s all we’ve got time for. Join us tomorrow night at seven for another edition of What The Hell’s Going On?” Unfunny. You haven’t seen these skits (they haven’t been written), but they’re just so lame, aren’t they?
No, how you govern will be so special, and so different from that pathetic portrayal. You’re going to bring into your administration a whole heap of talented people who will oversee a climate change in the way facts are considered. You will bring in financial experts who will reassure everyone that, no matter what the markets say, everyone is, in fact, fine. You will bring in law experts who will prove categorically that anyone who feels their civil liberties are being infringed are themselves infringing the civil liberties of the vast majority who voted to change them. And, above all, you will persuade everyone, especially those who tell you that you polled nearly three million votes fewer than Hillary, that you do have a mandate – since you believe you do, and it feels like the vast majority of people believe you do, too. And that’s evidence no money can buy.
That’s how you will govern. Properly, effectively. Why, if the economy goes bad, or promised laws aren’t passed, or a war breaks out, why spend time and money and precious energy dealing with those things? Isn’t it more efficient to persuade people that they aren’t happening? Think what money that would save, putting dollars back in the pocket of every American. You will do a deal with the American people, a great big beautiful deal, the ultimate deal, and they will absolutely love it. What you’ve done is started a revolution, a movement. You’ve taught people to believe not what is empirically true but what is emotionally true, which is a better truth. You’ve set free the credulity of the people.
So here is another undeniable fact. Soon the consequences of what you are doing will spread throughout the world. And, once done, they can’t be undone. Yes, you will be remembered for a very, very long time. Fact.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/21/letter-to-donald-trump-president-armando-iannucci
16 years?
Standard despot 101, get in power then change rules so you can stay in power.
slowster - MemberRonald Reagan was similarly demonised by the left, especially outside the USA, but I think was widely considered by most Americans to have been a very good President (and to have been much smarter than many gave him credit for being).
I saw that BBC News was repeating that Reagan myth yesterday. 30 years after the Reagan presidency the world is still trying to cope with disastrous consequences of Reagan's legacy. Indeed is hard to fathom just how much human misery on a global scale the Reagan presidency has caused.
I am of course referring to, firstly, the deregulation of the financially institutions - a policy which directly led to the eventual collapse of Lehman Brothers, the Credit Crisis Of 2008, the Euro Crises, and recessions across the world.
Ironically it is those Americans who are still facing the hardships caused by the Credit Crisis Of 2008 that Donald Trump relied on to win the presidential election.
And secondly, the recruiting, financing, arming, and training, of Osama bin Laden and his supporters. The Reagan presidency was absolutely indispensable in laying the foundations for global Islamic terrorism as we now know it today.
You need to be either in denial or clueless to be unaware of Reagan's legacy.
Having said that how much Reagan himself was personally responsible isn't certain imo as he clearly was intellectually compromised, not least by the early stages of Alzheimer's - his son claims that Reagan's mental condition deteriorated during his first presidential term.
Of course Donald Trump is a completely different person and there is no need to conclude that he will also leave a devastating legacy on the world. Although he might.
The margins on Apple products are huge, it's an extremely profitable company - $250bn in cash stashed offshore. (Trump will address this too)
They can afford to make the phones in the US and Foxconn can out their fancy machines there
A 30-40% import tax would be far more expensive for Apple to bear than making the phones in the US