so Trump is mixing it up with his appointments
A standard mainstream Republican politico with Reince Priebus
but keeping it 'anti -establishment' (well former goldman sachs banker) with the darling of the[b] [s]mysoginistic, xenophobic, anti semtic, white supremacist movement[/s] alt-right[/b] Stephen Bannon 😯
As for the China trade war thing
It was so obvious who would be the looser in that one Trump was always going to have to back down.
Still good news for Airbus!
not so good for the UK if we leave the single market 🙁
https://www.ft.com/content/a433d6f6-fa69-11e5-b3f6-11d5706b613b
Mr Woppit - Member
So he makes a big deal out of being a "smart" businessman. So why didn't he see this coming, then?Oh dear. Didn't think of that.
I'm pretty certain he'll will have, ffs even I could foresee that! 😆
The guy is not an idiot. The fact that people still follow that narrative really makes me question the intelligence of the "left".
Oh dear. Didn't think of that.
“If Trump wrecks Sino-US trade, a number of US industries will be impaired. Finally the new president will be condemned for his recklessness, ignorance and incompetence,” the newspaper said.
That ain't going to happen, some will say that recklessness, ignorance and incompetence are positive traits. Then supply us with half cocked examples and bizarre rants about bowing to superior beings.
Others will point out what a smooth operator TMay was for winning the Airbus deal and that they saw this coming years ago.
spekkie - Member
75 lawsuits! Phwa
Be fair, that's only the currently open ones. I think he's in the 3000-4000 range total isn't he?
I don't know how this works - presumably so long as the Republican party keep supporting him and don't impeach him, it doesn't matter how many lawsuits he has against him, or even if he loses them?
I'm pretty certain he'll will have, ffs even I could foresee that!The guy is not an idiot. The fact that people still follow that narrative really makes me question the intelligence of the "left".
so will he go through with it or just reverse another of his campaign pledges?
or are u saying everyone who believed in and voted for him is an idiot?
kimbers - Member
so will he go through with it or just reverse another of his campaign pledges?
or are u saying everyone who believed in and voted for him is an idiot?
I'm saying we'll see what he does when in power. Or you just wanting to engage in a pantomime here? Ohhhhh, yes he will!
Personally, I think he does have a plan, some of it interesting, some of it bonkers(From my point of view). Whether he can implement it the way he wants is another story.
When he arrests 3 million people, send them to jail, that is going to create lots of jobs in the police, judiciary system, building prisons and prison guards.
Have any of those jumping up and down in apoplexy actually read 'the art of the deal'?
You probably ought to, I reckon that those of us who did are the least surprised at his electoral success...
I don't think for one second that he has any fixation on the way he implements things, as long as the broad goals are met.Personally, I think he does have a plan, some of it interesting, some of it bonkers(From my point of view). Whether he can implement it the way he wants is another story.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/797649380564172800
#banterlads
#conservativeelitesquad
cchris2lou - Member
When he arrests 3 million people, send them to jail, that is going to create lots of jobs in the police, judiciary system, building prisons and prison guards.
May well do. I wouldn't support it as I think that along with more miltary funding signals a more authoritarian approach, both domestically and externally.
But I think his wording is interesting with focusing on "criminal", "illegal aliens" and "building a wall". He's kicked the question of "illegal aliens" into the long grass imo.
The Art of the Deal author (BTW this wasn't Donald Trump):
[i]“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. [/i]
Source: [url= http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all ]Ghostwriter tells all[/url]
His Gettyburg speech if anyone is interested. Worth a watch imo. gives more of an insight into the appeal of Trump imo than you'll get from the usual media sources that focus on his "antics".
Its fairly obvious that any book 'written' by Trump would just be a PR exercise telling everyone how great he is.
Considering his history of telling the most outrageous lies*, you'd be a fool to take it seriously
* that also applies to his gettysberg address?
Schwartz was the subject of a July 2016 article in The New Yorker in which Schwartz describes Donald Trump unfavorably and relates how he came to regret writing The Art of the Deal.[1] He also stated that if it were to be written today it would be very different and titled The Sociopath.
😆
#Ninfantasia
One of the points from the book is to deliver the goods, so I expect he'll be big on fulfilling his pre election promises then. Except the wall. And Obamacare. And...
Its fairly obvious that any book 'written' by Trump would just be a PR exercise telling everyone how great he is.Considering his history of telling the most outrageous lies*, you'd be a fool to take it seriously
Whoosh
That's exactly the point, and exactly why you need to read the book
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So has Farage got really big hands or....
Steven Rattner ?@SteveRattner 15m15 minutes ago
The irony of Trump's populism: 51% of his tax cuts go to the top 1%; only 0.8% to bottom 20%. My @Morning_Joe chart
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Have any of those jumping up and down in apoplexy actually read 'the art of the deal'?
Did you read the interview the new Yorker did with the ghost writer of the art of the deal? Quite enlightening!
I think petulant man child was one description of trump.... He has no attention span, can't read anything for longer than 20 seconds before becoming bored, not able to discuss anything without either erupting with anger or storming off, no ideas really, other than those fed to him. I thought the most interesting thing was his apparent lack of business acumen, the author basically says that trump's father negotiated the deals that trump now claims as his own. The business ventures that trump has initiated have all been disasters apparently!
No an ideal temperament for the 'leader of the free world's!
kimbers - Member
just be a PR exercise telling everyone how great he is.* that also applies to his gettysberg address?
Don't think it's telling everyone how great he is. More just the base line to compare his presidency to. Rather than some tit for tat nonsense on the presidential debates, where I suspect most get their opinions from. (they really should just scrap them, The leaders debates in this country too, they are utter bunkum.).
Giver you a look at what actually attracted people to him, and gives you something to compare what he was elected on and what he does. Only reasons why I suggest people watch it, not because I support him (cause I don't.)
I'll just leave this here (doesn't need it's own thread but it is pretty funny).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37972626
Rather than some tit for tat nonsense on the presidential debates, where I suspect most get their opinions from.
I got a lot of my opinions of Trump by watching YouTube videos of his rallies and by reading his own tweets. That was more than enough to convince me that he wasn't someone I'd ever vote for as my leader!
I'll just leave this here (doesn't need it's own thread but it is pretty funny).
V funny.
Indeed
Molgrips posted that a while ago
@seaso thanks for the Gettysberg link. Intersting that on his 60 Minutes interview the one topic he was focused on was the press reporting. He said social media was very important as it allowed him to counteract that directly. Plenty of discussion on cbsnews.com although not yet the entire interview.
@kimbers it's hard to give the bottom 20% a big share of tax cuts as they pay so little already. Tax cuts will always have a bias towards those who earn the most. Also Americans who voted for Trump weren't asking for tax cuts they where asking for jobs and opportunity. America has a very different attitude towards welfare, they don't want it they want work and better paid work
He said social media was very important as it allowed him to counteract that directly
indeed the guy who thinks sandy hook massacre was a liberal conspiracy and the families of the dead the children are faking it had a phone call from the [s]Grand Wizard[/s] President Elect
http://www.infowars.com/donald-trump-thanks-infowarriors-for-the-win/
Except Jamba it was the over $50kers who voted for Trump not the unders. Allegedly
@kimbers it's hard to give the bottom 20% a big share of tax cuts as they pay so little already. Tax cuts will always have a bias towards those who earn the most
The libdems managed with their increase of the tax free threshold to £10k. So clearly it's possible.
Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.
@igm many high earners vote GOP, traditionally strong ground for them. Where Trump won it was the white working class (ie sub $50k) and the fact that Hispanics and Black voters did not turn out for Hillary as they had for Obama.
Molgrips posted that a while ago
I'm calling that a win.
he claims to be a maths graduate working in finance 😯Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.
Top trolling
Do some maths will you and get back to us 😆
Ok I earn 20 k you earn 60k the tax rate is 50% - i am keeping it easy for you- with no threshold
20k = 10 k tax
60k = 30k tax
Increase threshold to 10k
20k = 5k- ie 50 % of 10k- 25% overall tax rate
60k = 25k K or 50% of 50K-
Therefore is 25k of 60 K more or less than 25% of 20 k?
What is the savings gain for the wealthy ones over the poorer ones?
Please show your workings just for the giggle.
You really do have no area of expertise and nothing you cannot get wrong.
You are the walking embodiment of Poes law
jambalaya - Member
@seaso thanks for the Gettysberg link. Intersting that on his 60 Minutes interview the one topic he was focused on was the press reporting. He said social media was very important as it allowed him to counteract that directly. Plenty of discussion on cbsnews.com although not yet the entire interview.
Aye I seen the interview late last night it was on youtube for a while, seems to be gone now.
tbh it was a fairly weak friendly get to know trump interview, as you'd expect for a first interview. Not really telling us much or too probing..
@junkyard.
But tax doesn't work like your example. There's always banding.
£20,000 paying 20% tax with no allowance pays £4000
Give a £10000 allowance and his tax bill drops to £2000 or 10%.
£60000 typically without an allowance pays £8000 on £40000. Then say 40% on £20000 another £8000 so 26.66% of income. Give the higher earner a £10000 allowance and his tax drops by £2000 and is now 23.33% of income.
In % terms of tax payed the lower earner's tax position is massively more improved.
Thanks taxi, I couldn't be bothered to reply.
Campaigners don't like to talk about percentage benefit as that doesn't suit their agenda.
Junkyard - given that tax rates are progressive, he will have a point in absolute terms and possibly relative terms.
Jamba - I am aware of the tendency of th Grand Old Party or even the Bull Moose Party to attract higher earners. My pint was that Trumps voters are still overall those who will benefit from tax breaks
The libdems managed with their increase of the tax free threshold to £10k. So clearly it's possible.
Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.
This isn't how it worked under the coalition. Each raising of the threshold was paired to a lowering of the higher rate tax bands, so that the better paid did not benefit in the way you suggest.
Although, since the country decided to destroy the LibDems, the new government was free to change all that, so that they could announce policies that sounded like they helped the worse paid, but helped far more the higher paid. See also all the mortgage games they played.
There ARE always ways to change tax rules to help the worse paid, rather than the higher paid, but it requires a political will to do so. Neither our government, or the next USA government, have that will, even if they have the rhetoric.
Both the Cameron, and now the May, governments have been brilliant at taking the language and promises of what used to be centrist (or perhaps even left) policies, and hiding a redistribution upwards in the details of actual policies. Genius really. Mate that to some tough sounding anti-immigrant solgans and policies, and rule for a generation … unless people decide to scrutinise and challenge … but 2016 might have seen that way of thinking off for a while…
Anyway, the details of the LibDem policy, and the way it was implemented before we booted them out of government, did make sure that it wasn't higher earners that benefited, which is why more people than ever started paying higher rate tax, even if they hadn't had a pay rise. Don't worry though comfy off people… the Tories are fixing that for you… the government is squarely on your side now.
On a lighter note
https://www.theguardian.com/global/shortcuts/2016/nov/14/how-joe-biden-became-the-us-meme-in-chief
and they both have the same amount of extra money so his point about who saved most was still not true and your post proved the same as me with a less simplistic scenarioIn % terms of tax payed the lower earner's tax position is massively more improved.
they both saved the same amount and he claimed
this is manifestly false as they save the same amount and percentages , arguably, show who saved the most, which is still not the higher earner.Old is that really true though, if you are on a £60k the tax threshold increase helps you more in terms of pounds pence than someone on £20k.
Hence you did notCampaigners don't like to talk about percentage benefit as that doesn't suit their agenda
As i said the living embodiment of Poes Law- you did not you mentioned pounds and pence silly not percentages which dont actually support your point re who saves most.
I really cannot tell what is trolling and what is what you mean. Top marks
On reflection I figure no one can do that without effort.
Nicely explained there by Kelvin.
big_n_daft those are definietly amusing but slightly less so the third time posted on this thread 😉
Don't worry though comfy off people… the Tories are fixing that for you… the government is squarely on your side now.
Interesting post kelvin. The Tories would have very far to go to put the tax take back to where it was in 2006. What with personal tax changes under PAYE and the new stamp duty bands (introduced by Osbourne). As I posted before I think you'll even less top paying jobs going paye. All the tech guys are already finding other ways.
Farage trying very hard to get himself a job in the government.
Maybe he should try to be elected first?
