The Coronavirus Discussion Thread.

the “it’s just like a cold, I’ll see you down the pub” brigade

Serious question: Thursday night is pub night. Do I risk it tomorrow?

Pros:
– Could be the last one for quite some time.
– I suspect our local would be very grateful for the business.
– There are currently NO confirmed cases in Northumberland.
– Beer.

Cons:
– Potential death.

You will not die.

Others may, just because you wanted to go to the pub…

The answer seems obvious to me.

Sadiq Khan’s office saying no decision re lockdown.
If, at some point, it happens:
– neither the met nor the army have sufficient manpower to police it effectively
– how many renters will try to escape back to mummy & daddy outside london and, possibly, bring infection with them
Interesting times.

Yeah, but… BEER!

I’ve 2 school age kids. I fully expect I’ll be more than likely infected through work then home. Hope that things out.

Not really, if you decide not to take any measures at work or getting to/from work simply to prove a point then it’s simply a self-fulfilling prophecy. Equally it depends what your profession is… if you are a Forest Ranger I’d expect the chance of exposure at work is rather low and can be made even lower. If you are working on a checkout it’s pretty high as you handle everything that needs scanning and you would need to be thinking about it all the time, not touch eyes, mouth,face.

Drac will be taking EVERY precaution.

his guy has a different take on it.

That’s also a massive difference between asymptomatic infections (about half) on the ship, and the town in Italy (about 90%).

I’m not sure about his maths, and it would seem the rest of the world isn’t, too.

The cruise ship maintained an overall fatality of 0.91%.

The cruise ship over 70s demographic, fatality rate was 7.3%

link to figures

You will not die.

Others may, just because you wanted to go to the pub…

Missus is frontline NHS. I’d be very surprised if we get through this without being infected, but as I say, there are NO confirmed cases here.

Put it this way: say we are 3 weeks behind London up here. Would you have gone to the pub 3 weeks ago in London?

Check the exchange rates. Capital flight from “winging it” UK is on going… some serious statements about containment and securing household income needed this week. Including for renters, employees and self employed. Keeping companies afloat, and giving home owners some breathing space, is not enough.

According to Boris, antibody test is close.

I’ll get interested when it’s not just bullshit Boris saying it, though.

Liverpool Echo announcing and picked up by others but then again… my brother has an engineering company and phoned the number for fabricating parts for respirators…. answer phone and no response from them?

binners

Well what a surprise? Who’d have thunk it? 5,000 fans fly in to Liverpool from Madrid – the epicentre of the Spanish outbreak – mingle in the city’s pubs and bars for a couple of days, then cram into a packed football stadium and they’ve managed to spread a virus?

Well nobody could possibly have foreseen such an eventuality

I know… you couldn’t make this stuff up.

irc

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested

I was reading a comparative paper between that and others earlier. It was 17% non-symptomatic
The testing was also carried out over intervals allowing some (if imperfect) extrapolation on those going on to develop symptoms later…

Would you have gone to the pub 3 weeks ago in London?

Aimed at me? No, I would not have. Those that did have no blame on them though, advice has been so slow to come from official sources. You have been told now. Flick back through this spread and read about the “lag” before being confident that you are in an area with no infection.

Again. You are not at risk. Others are. Act accordingly.

Frank, got a link?

All I could find was

A source close to Sadiq Khan, London’s Mayor, said: “We expect a shutdown of London, but nobody in central Government is saying when that will be or what form it will take.

News from Taiwan… they selective closed schools by geographical region, centrally controlled, to stop spread. They didn’t just leave heads to wing it.

[ edit : they also had 2 weeks of blanket closures extending the holidays last month – I still expect we’ll do the same with the Easter Hols ]

That can’t be right – Vallance said Taiwan hadn’t closed schools. And he’s an expert, yes?

Put it this way: say we are 3 weeks behind London up here. Would you have gone to the pub 3 weeks ago in London?

The question is SHOULD you have gone to the pub 3 weeks ago in London?

Vallance said Taiwan hadn’t closed schools.

He was wrong. Most schools were closed for two extra weeks… they extended the holidays. And geographical closures, based on testing and contact analysis, have been essential in containing the virus.

Also, have a look at what Taiwan and Singapore have done in schools. It’s a long way from our bustling corridors, no temp testing, no hand gel, kids spitting on each other breeding grounds.

Gavin Williamson is a ______

Sorry, but that “spreading faster than expected” line has riled me. The cheek.

Schools closed, except for children of key workers.

DrJ

That can’t be right – Vallance said Taiwan hadn’t closed schools. And he’s an expert, yes?

Well he’s being rather selective … “Taiwanese schools reopened on 25th February after an extended CNY break.”
but take a time to scroll through the list… because if closed and reopened under special measures is the best he can do… ???

https://www.iscresearch.com/cornavirus-covid-19-update

Johnson now telling us that schools are very safe environments. Maybe his school was.

Johnson now repeating Williamson’s statement that schools close for most pupils on Friday.

Well he’s being rather selective … “Taiwanese schools reopened on 25th February after an extended CNY break.”
but take a time to scroll through the list… because if closed and reopened under special measures is the best he can do… ???

He’s getting a lot of shit from other scientists on twitter for this.

Sorry, but that “spreading faster than expected” line has riled me. The cheek.

Faster than we expected, not faster than every other expert on the planet expected. We based ours on the best possible science. Bigly Science! Better than thems foreign science!

Not really, if you decide not to take any measures at work or getting to/from work simply to prove a point then it’s simply a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So you believed a GP but not me. Thanks for proving my point.

Drac will be taking EVERY precaution.

Damn right and more if I can, I have been following the guidelines for weeks and upping my infection control as much as possible.

Schools closed, except for children of key workers.

The irony of me forgetting to mute my phone and being woke by that. It fits in with what my kids school announced they expected to happen last week.

Vallance using terms from his GSK days like “agile”.

Bellend.

Rayban – source was radio reporter reading message from Khan’s office on his behalf.

Live update …according to local rag…
1950 confirmed UK cases …

then …following the breakdown directly underneath

Latest figures from the Department of Heath and Social Care state that the number that 56,221 people have been tested in the UK, of which 53,595 were confirmed negative and 2,626 were confirmed as positive.

My local is delivering beer by the bottle. Order online, it arrives that day.

This is how I’m supporting them.

Serious question: Thursday night is pub night. Do I risk it tomorrow?

Isn’t your wife diabetic?

If mine was I’d not be breaking the social contact recommendations.

Well that’s a lot of kids screwed prematurely with regard to exams, should have made that decision after Easter. Be interesting who defines which kids are from key workers. Also be interesting to see how teachers will be expected to teach over the internet as well as baby sitting key workers kids. Typical Johnson though, make big decisions others will have to work out how to implement.

They’ve delayed as long as the could (or longer). If they could have safely left this measure ‘till the Easter break, they absolutely would have.

That’s also a massive difference between asymptomatic infections (about half) on the ship, and the town in Italy (about 90%).

I’m not sure about his maths, and it would seem the rest of the world isn’t, too.

The cruise ship maintained an overall fatality of 0.91%.

The cruise ship over 70s demographic, fatality rate was 7.3%

Other thing with the cruise ship they gave the infected the antiviral remdesivir as part of an experimental trial, so no way of knowing if that skewed the data.

Also be interesting to see how teachers will be expected to teach over the internet as well as baby sitting key workers kids

For 2 weeks the high school here have been planning for this, homework packs, online access and websites to use. Any half decent school will have been doing the same. They don’t have to wait until the day before the schools close to plan this.

I meant the decision about the exams not going ahead, not the schools closing.

Serious question: Thursday night is pub night. Do I risk it tomorrow?

Pros:
– Could be the last one for quite some time.
– I suspect our local would be very grateful for the business.
– There are currently NO confirmed cases in Northumberland.
– Beer.

Cons:
– Potential death.

The governments ‘strong’ advice is to avoid going to pubs, in order to avoid increasing the death rate, reduce the strain on the NHS and to ensure that the overall damage of the virus, both health & economic, can be reduced in the long run.
Can you explain why you think the advice doesn’t apply to you?

Pound is **** tanking isn’t it. Lowest point against the dollar since when?

The yanks are giving cheques out to every citizen according to sky. Universal basic income from Trump? LOL!

Sky saying this is partly a correction from the post Boris election Brexit confidence.

Unintended consequences etc

The yanks are giving cheques out to every citizen according to sky. Universal basic income from Trump? LOL!

They’re not cheques. They’re vouchers to spend at Mar-A-Lago on Trump merchandise

Talking of the orange one, did you hear his pres conference? It was nice of him to point out what the hospital ships look like. Apparently, they’re big and white with a big red cross on the side of them.

Who knew?

I meant the decision about the exams not going ahead, not the schools closing.

I didn’t reply to that part.

Same as yesterday it’s a press conference not an in-depth report, details will follow.

I meant the decision about the exams not going ahead, not the schools closing.

Oh, my response was harsh then. Sorry. Yes, too soon… although I think the end decision was likely to be the same, they should have waited, and made it clear what they were going to do instead at the same time as announcing cancellations. So much speculation already about how Alevels will be awarded.

Drac, schools have been planning to teach kids at home, not teaching kids at home whilst also looking after kids in school, big difference.

Sky saying this is partly a correction from the post Boris election Brexit confidence.

What confidence?