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An ill-timed remark about the Diana conspiracy theory being 'dumb horsesh•t' kicked off an intense two-hour conspiracy discussion in the 16 household yesterday evening.
Mrs 16, it should be said, is a profound conspiracy theorist: JFK/Dallas was an US Govt. cover-up; Marilyn Monroe was knocked off by US Govt. agents; Diana was bumped off by the Royals. I, on the other hand, invariably opt for the 'c•ck up' explanation because, basically, I'm not convinced humans are clever enough to conspire properly...
Do any conspiracy theories really make sense?
Do any conspiracy theories really make sense?
Our lizard rulers deliberately create lots of wacky conspiracy theories so that the real conspiracies get lost in the tidal wave of madness.
No, if they can't even cover up their fraudulent duckhouse expenses claims, then conspiracy theories are way out of their league
IMO.....
this, I've no doubt there are [i]some[/i] dodgy inept coverups/conspiracies going on but most of the popular ones are BS i reckon.I'm not convinced humans are clever enough to conspire properly
Grayson and Bates claiming they would 'get in some Premiership quality payers' in the transfer window.
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I read somethign the other day about conspiracy theorists.
It was along the lines of the fact they really [i]need[/i] there to be some overriding human agency controlling things. If everything that happened were just chance and cock-up it would leave them feeling profoundly adrift in society.
Bit like religion then 😉
"the truth is out there" now that is total bollocks (wooden balls).
It was along the lines of the fact they really need there to be some overriding human agency controlling things. If everything that happened were just chance and cock-up it would leave them feeling profoundly adrift in society.
Which explains why conspiracies only seem to affect beautiful, popular and well-loved people, I reckon.
Ugly, unpopular people just die. Sad, but true.
No, if they can't even cover up their fraudulent duckhouse expenses claims
Yeah but that's hardly a conspiracy is it?
The claims were not fraudulent, they were made in accordance with the rules, fully documented and submitted to the MP's fees office.
That wiggle only put the note on the GT-85 page saying "NOT A CHAIN LUBE" to force you to into buying another £2.99 of oil.
That tandemjeremy has a tandem.
I like the ones about twin towers not getting hit by planes, but missiles.
The theory goes, surely after the 1st one hit there'd be loads of decent resolution video of the second plane with all those cameras looking up. Apparently not that much available.
WHO HAS BEEN PAID OFF? 😯
The thing is the have been some genuine conspiracies and cover ups though.
Watergate, Oliver North, the Nicaraguan contras, proxy wars in Afghanistan, the CIA installing Mobutu in Zaire and Hussein in Iraq. The list goes on.
Most of the real ones are actually more interesting than the wacky ones
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The real ones are not on your list.
Which explains why conspiracies only seem to affect beautiful, popular and well-loved people, I reckon.
and crack-heads and heroin addicts in ghettos the world over..
richmtb - MemberThe real ones are not on your list.
Yeah but most of them come out in the end!
Yeah but that's hardly a conspiracy is it?
No, but it shows how useless they are
The claims were not fraudulent, they were made in accordance with the rules, fully documented and submitted to the MP's fees office.
Are you an MP, and why did they have to pay it back then?
The point I was trying to make is that I don't think they have the wherewithall to successfully conspire to tie their own shoelaces
Plus, I heard the big hitters were really STW moderators letting of steam... but I dismissed that one as whacky leftiness.
I worked with someone who was into these theories, he thought he was a cut above everyone due to his 'information' he read online. Everyone was target and everything was a cover-up to him. Always his 'expert' opinion seemed more outlandish than the reality. We were working in a shop, it is an old building next to the court, there's a passageway under the shop (turned into a stock area) that was used to lead criminals from court to the town centre for hanging. It was pretty spooky in all honesty down there. There was a rumour the shop was haunted, doors slamming, people seeing orbs that kind of thing. A leak and collapse in the roof ment an emergency repair was needed that night, I was asked to stay overnight as a keyholder, fine I thought double pay and I can take my playstation in. I got bored and drew on a clear bit of plastic a figure and went down to the cellar with my phone to see if I could catch footage of the ghost. I made a purposefully crude video of the figure moving on the plastic, youtubed it in jest, and shared the link round. Mr conspiracy was in his element, he talked about changes in temperature and vanishing orbs. I cane clean it was a hoax,(it was quite obvious, coupled with my reputation as s joker) but he wouldn't believe me. He wanted to know if head office asked me to keep quiet. I wonder if it's still on YouTube... Hmmm
Don't have a favorite but my least favorite are definitely the psychotic ones that couldn't possibly be true to anyone sane... but could they? 😉
That one about helmets being potentially more harmful by wearing them than not in certain crashes is a good one too! 😆
Think about the people you know who are always into these things.
Are they generally sensible, sane, commonsense people.
Or a bit paranoid, insecure, odd...
I think the idea above about some people 'needing' them to make sense of a rather mad and random world makes a lot of sense...
Think about the people you know who are always into these things.
Are they generally sensible, sane, commonsense people.
Or a bit paranoid, insecure, odd...I think the idea above about some people 'needing' them to make sense of a rather mad and random world makes a lot of sense...
Brooess, I hesitate to call Mrs 16 paranoid, insecure or odd...
** She may have intercepted this thread **
...but the 'needing' bit makes sense.
Are you an MP, and why did they have to pay it back then?
Because there was a public outcry from the electorate after The Daily Telegraph published details of the expenses claims. The public (rightly) didn't like seeing huge expense claims for luxury items. But the vast majority of those claims were not fraudulent. Immoral maybe, but not illegal.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal ]In the end only six MPs were actually charged with fraud or "false accounting".[/url]
(and "duckhouse-man", Sir Peter Viggers was not one of them)
The point I was trying to make is that I don't think they have the wherewithall to successfully conspire to tie their own shoelaces
Yeah but the point I'm making is that the expenses were never supposed to be secret. You can't really judge their ability to conspire and keep secrets based on something that wasn't secret.
Most conspiracy theories tend to involve 'shadow governments' of the rich and powerful workign in conjunction with shadowy secret service type organisations rather than elected politicians.
Probably, as has been suggested, because even the paranoid and delusional find Nick Clegg conspiring anything a step too far.
I love all the conspiricy theories
Well, to be more accurate I LOVE seeing intelligent peopole get sooooo wound up over trying to convince everyone that they're true, spouting all sorts of bollox and getting in a right tizzy. It's fun. 🙂
Most conspiracy theories tend to involve 'shadow governments' of the rich and powerful workign
You mean these sorts of people:
"The Bilderberg Group is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 120 to 140 guests from North America and Western Europe, most of whom are people of influence. About one-third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labour, education and communications. Meetings are closed to the public and often feature future political leaders shortly before they become household names."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
None of the above can explain Marilyn though...
Surely undercover goons in the pay of the JFK/the mob administered a lethal suppository really, really softly while she was sleeping, leaving absolutely no trace?
There are only 2 people on this forum... me... and you.
I don't care what they say, I think it really is butter.
There are only 2 people on this forum... me... and you.I'm not even sure about you to be honest...
Yeah but the point I'm making is that the expenses were never supposed to be secret. You can't really judge their ability to conspire and keep secrets based on something that wasn't secret.
Yes I can, if they can't get away with it and it's not even illegal, what hope do they have with a proper illegal act,
[i]There are only 2 people on this forum... me... and you. [/i]
and [i][b]them[/b][/i], keeping an eye on things, obviously.
the twin towers [i]were[/i] brought down with explosives - in a controlled demolition style.
but not maliciously.
[i]All[/i] buildings over a certain height in Manhattan are hard-wired with explosive charges, so that the building can be sacrificed if the structure becomes catastrophically damaged.
imagine how bad it was when the twin towers collapsed, now imagine how bad it would have been if the towers had fallen sideways, not collapsed vertically.
just think, for every new-york skyscraper there is a remote-destruct button...
(better to bring a building down more-or-less within it's own foot print, than allow it to fall sideways: TIMBER!)
and them
Nope, they're me too.
awhiles: You know, that actually sounds plausible... 😕
and themNope, they're me too.
Dammit!
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i know, i [s]made it up myself[/s] was told it by a retired CIA agent i met in the pub
[i]Nope, they're me too. [/i]
Ah, I'm them too!
Well, this is embarassing, shall we just move on to monitoring another forum now, then?
Yes I can, if they can't get away with it and it's not even illegal, what hope do they have with a proper illegal act,
But but but.. they weren't [i]trying[/i] to "get away with it".
Page 2 and no mention if man has really landed on the moon?!
nah, that's ancient history, noone cares about that anymore.
cleopatra? - was she a north or [i]sub-saharan[/i] african?
no-one cares.
Page 2 and no mention if man has really landed on the moon?!
Problem is there don't seem to be enough nutters on this forum (which, given recent digs by the moral majority, is a little [s]disappointing[/s] surprising).
EDIT: Wikipedia: between 6% and 28% of the people surveyed believe that the manned moon landings were faked.
I guess none of those guys ride mountain bikes...
But but but.. they weren't trying to "get away with it".
There you go then 😆
Sorry
Igmc
I'm trying to *start* a conspiracy theory about me being fantastic on a mountain bike doing the hard stuff for Matt Hunter and Peaty but it doesn't seem to get any traction...!
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
@AdamW: I'd start with Photoshop if I were you and commence on some serious face cropping/AdamW face superimposing action.
First rule of conspiracies: get some dodgy pictures together.
This, I feel, is basic stuff.
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EDIT: By the way, [i]I[/i] believe you, but [i]THEY[/i] don't.
i heard a silly one the other day about some guy called adam doing all the tricky stuff for steve peat etc, made me chuckle
just read the posts above... it must be true! 😯
'Tis true phil, he's fantastic. Even the tags say so.
i heard a silly one the other day about some guy called adam doing all the tricky stuff for steve peat etc, made me chuckle
That's called 'AdamW Neat Trick Denial', Phil.
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1. All conspiracy theories are false.
2. All rumours are true.
Conspiracy theories have to be false because they all would involve hundreds or thousands of people keeping their gobs (and forum/twitter fingers) shut all the time. And that wouldn't happen.
Don and Phil, why are you talking to ourselves?
OMG, Yetis exist!
** Quite proud at myself for using OMG for the first time. FFS, that's idiotic IMHO **
The only popular conspiracy theory I believe may have some credence is the JFK one*
* well there are probably loads of JFK lizard stories but in general I think that Oswald's multiple hits at range within a short time period introduces some doubt as to whether he was the lone gunman.
Which one of me are you talking to TSY?
The other one.
I wouldn't bother with him, we're a t**t!
the CIA installing Mobutu in Zaire and Hussein in Iraq
I don't know about Mobutu but Hussein was not installed by the CIA. Are you, perhaps, confusing that with the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran by Kermit Roosevelt?
I don't know about Mobutu but Hussein was not installed by the CIA. Are you, perhaps, confusing that with the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran by Kermit Roosevelt?
No installing the Shah in Iran is a seperate one, the CIA definitely had a hand in Saddam Hussien and the Ba'ath party in Iraq, they were desperate to remove a pro Soviet government and replace it with one they felt was more inline with the west.
susan sarandon
Tim Robbins
Checkmate
Cats have been sent to earth from the planet canopus to stop humans disposing of their waste in drinking water. Yes!
Conspiracy theories from 2.35 onwards
Futurama is actually a documentary.
Open your eyes, sheeple.
My favourite one is that Paul mcartney died as the Beatles were rising to fame so he was replaced by a man who won a Paul mcartney look a like contest
My favourite one is that Paul mcartney died as the Beatles were rising to fame so he was replaced by a man who won a Paul mcartney look a like contest
What is even the point in that one? What consequences would it have?? 😆
The Beatles could carry on being famous and no one would miss Paul mcartney. Oooooooooo
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead
All the "facts" are here. And if you don't believe me ask my dad.
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolf Hitler
Edit: Found some other interesting ones:
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Hermann Goering
The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of the nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell a big one.--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State." -Josph Goebbels, Nazi propaganda minister
I watched one of the 9/11 documentaries the other day, there's a whole load of stuff on it now cos it's 10th anniversary.
This one was an overview of some of the conspiracy theories surrounding it - fighter jets were deliberately sent elsewhere, it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, the one that crashed in the field was shot down, the towers were destroyed via controlled demolition...
I started to shout at the TV after a while. The problem with TV and internet is it gives conspiracy theorists and other cretins a voice they really shouldn't have.
, the one that crashed in the field was shot down
That one I [i]could[/i] believe.
If it was heading to the Whitehouse or Camp David then I could imagine both those complexes might have air defences that the US government would prefer were not revealed.
And obviously if they had shot it down then they'd probably prefer that wasn't publicised.
So at least there is a possible motive (unlike many other conspiracy theories).
But the official story, that the passengers got wind of what was happening, attempted to gain entry to the cockpit and the hijackers crashed the plane - all seems pretty feasible too and is backed by phone calls to the passenger's families, flight recorder, crash scene investigation, lack of eyewitnesses seeing jets or missiles etc.
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
Cyclists should pay road tax. 😀
Quite partial to the Harold Wilson conspiracy theories - he certainly believed them. He thought the British secret service were conspiring against him, and looking to remove him and install some sort of interim martial law.
Mountbatten was apparently approached to head up this farcical idea of a government. Given it was the height of the cold war and MI6 would have had it's fair share of loony remnants from imperial Britain, is a hard thing to prove or disprove.
Heathrow airport was shut for an 'army exercise' without Wilson's consent or even knowledge, which was just the sort of thing to add weight to the conspiracy.
I read somewhereorother that much of Wilson's (no relation!) wibblings about being eavesdropped etc turned out to be bang on, despite everyone thinking he was going a little loopy about it all at the time.
My favourite niche conspiracy is quite close to home for me (only 'famous' person to appear regularly in my nan's old family photo albums)
Conspiracy goes that: not only was politician and scourge of french organised-crime mafia types [url= http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yann_Piat ]Yann Piat [/url] the love-child of Jean-Marie Le Pen (as well as being 'officially' his god daughter), but that her motorcycle/drive by murder was also 'comissioned' by someone high up in the party, if not Le Pen himself.
I like anything to do with tamepered-with photos. "ZOMG NASA tampered with moon landing photos, that proooooooves we didn't go to the moon". Every picture of every celebrity you ever see has been tampered with, sadly that doesn't disprove the existance of Jordan.
Oakley have a 100% markup on their sunglasses. Oh, no that one's true.
Oakley have a 1000% markup on their sunglasses. Oh, no that one's true.
FTFY.
XC riders are good going downhill
tis is a good one.