What steel roadbike frame

This thread does beg the question, if a steel frame will be so good, why did you sell one to get the PX. Odds are that with a 1.1/8 headtube and 27.2 seatpost it’ll actualy be heavier than your old one.

As long as it fits ..

Thisnotaspoon. It was a check to see if I’d like road riding. Bought it did a 32mile skyride on it. It had a 6speed cassette 😀

Hora old chap, i don’t know your timescale, but if not in a mad rush i would advise a trip to Bristol for the Bespoked Bike show.

You get multiple choices to empty your wallet and chat to the builders.

You can also quiz the tubing companies as they attened the show too, the man from Reynolds is very very helpfull.

In the greatest tradition of STW, posting what you have!.

I love my de rosa, very comfy, quick and nice to look at, IMO of course. (This is not mine btw, but v similar)

Also posting what I have, I wouldn’t go back to carbon.

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Is that bike easie to wheelie?

I can’t wheelie a MTB let alone a road bike!
It’s pointing slightly uphill and the flat TT makes the seat angle appear more relaxed.

i ended up with columbus sl and xcr, but at a somewhat inflated price …
still, it is a dream to ride and brings back some fond memories 🙂

Isn’t that DeRosa Aliminium?

FWIW I am flogging my Sintesi because the ride is not as nice as my Six or Supersix (or previous Roubaix of CAAD10)

I think mrsmith means your saddle position? 😉

First Dibs On your ritchey please

Back to basics, my first road bike was a Genesis Equilibrium, which I really liked, but then I got a Condor Fratello which turned out to be soooooo much more comfortable.

The Genesis Equilibrium might not be as exclusive as some of the lovely bikes mentioned above, but it’s a good example of what modern steel road frames can do. And, you’ll have a reasonable chance of finding one second-hand, so you can try without losing too much (if at all) should you decide you need something more, or less, ‘whatever’…

The Fratello is close to 2,000gm for a 58. Why does it have to be so heavy?

Rides like a dream and its aluminium (with a bit of berylium)

With your budget I’d be either going for a custom Steve Goff 853 or somewhere that does a comprehensive bike fit (Condor?) A bike that fits perfectly will make all the difference.

The Fratello is close to 2,000gm for a 58. Why does it have to be so heavy?

I have mentioned this already, but the Fratello is now made from the same tubeset as the significantly more expensive Enigma Ethos – tripple butted Columbus Life. That it is showing as weight 1.9kg versus the Enigma’s 1.6kg should tell you that something is incorrect here.

The Fratello used to be made from Dedaccia tubing and the listing on Condor’s website doesn’t look to have changed other than reference to the tubset. I would not be surprised if it were a little lighter and they just haven’t updated the listing.

Also, there are likely to be differences in what size was weighed – maybe they weighed a 58cm Fratello vs a 56cm Ethos. Maybe one was painted and the other wasn’t or maybe both those things.

Either way, if it’s the same size and the same tubeset, they really will most likely weigh the same when you get them home.

I second the Surly Pacer recommendation if you’re on a budget. Absolutely love mine – but I might be selling it 🙁

I went down the Pro Carbon route, then sold the F&F and replaced with the Surly.

Surly Pacer on Flickr

Irvb are saying is rubbish then ? 🙂

2000g is only ‘too heavy’ if you want to buy bragging rights.

Paraphrasing your first post:

‘ light (weight) is pointless as I’m never going to win anything, but I want more comfort’

Then try riding different bikes, and buy a comfortable bike.

Or is that not complicated enough? 🙂

Bob Jackson? £700 for a lugged 853 frame and forks, I love mine

2000g is only ‘too heavy’ if you want to buy bragging rights

Whens the tipping point though?

I’ll ask on the new un.

My first serious road bike was from Condor. Because I didn’t really know what I was doing I basically told them my budget, and they specc’d me a bike (an Italia with Campag bits as it happens). After the chap had spent a bit of time with me sat on the measuring device and whatnot, I waited a while, and then they delivered a bike. Apart from dropping the seat 5mm, I changed nothing about it for years. It was exceedingly comfortable.

I tend to think therefore that getting the bike fitted and specc’d by Condor was the most important factor in the process.

Several people have mentioned the Donhou signature steel without linking, so here it is:

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Very fine indeed, but GBP4,000…

You’ve ruled out stuff like Cotic Escapade and Salsa Colossal2 as not race-y enough presumably?

Isn’t that DeRosa Aliminium?

Yes, but this is Hora, and he hasn’t ridden his current bike for anywhere near long enough to know his arse from his elbow…

Twas just a suggestion.

Nobeerinthefridge I wont bite. Please keep it on topic of steel frames.

The spirit-framed Fratello is circa 100gm lighter across all the sizes. The 1900gm weight was based on the older 55cm size.

Bob Jackson? £700 for a lugged 853 frame and forks, I love mine

Very nice- is that the 631/1 1/8 version Audax or other? What carbon forks are they?

Hora, its an 853 Olympus Road. Its a 59cm built up with Ultegra/DuraAce mix, it weighs just under 20 pounds with 32 spoke wheels buts its a big bike. The forks are Columbus, nice curved blades that suit the bike.

I guess the geometry is what they used to call ‘stage racer’, slightly slacker head angle but stable beyond belief.

I bought some ‘climbing’ wheels from Strada last year and they brought it alive.

I reckon the lugs add 1/4 pound but this one in a 52cm is 17 pounds.

http://velospace.org/node/42777

^ linked is stunning 😯

It was my motivation.

I live in Leeds so got to go to the Jackson workshop, chat, see them building so it was a nice experience.

Its still not a Ricky Feather but from a functionality point of view its no less of a bike.

I genuinely can’t fault it, I’m the weak link.

Looking at the site/yours they don’t offer the Olympus road in 853 (or on the tube upgrade?)

How tall are you for the 59? I remember going to Bob Jacksons over a decade ago- from memory it was off a roundabout or dual-carriageway in a row of small shops?

Edit- ah £180+£545 for frame only in 853. What colours yours and the one in the link (do you think).

I’d love to have a spin on yours (unless they have a similar one in shop). I’m not going to rush into a frame. Looks like the Enigma Ezona will sell out but I cant see any reviews on it and I dont want to rush this buying something without at least trying/seeing in person etc.

I’m popping into Condor too.

just had a look and the tube upgrades are in the side bar, £180 for 853 (its gone up since I got mine 2 years ago).

http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/default.php?cPath=73

I’m 6’2″, I had a bike fit a few years back and the stock geometry on the 59cm was within mm of the the recommendations.

Mine is sparkle silver metallic, think the link is champagne or fine sliver metallic

Looks quite a racey/short headtube? Maybe its the linked-size. Will visit them though.

These frame weights just remind me why steel died on it’s arse for as a road frame material years ago. Plus if steel is so comfy how come everyone is specing carbon forks.

Looks quite a racey/short headtube?

Which is what you wanted is it not?

These frame weights just remind me why steel died on it’s arse for as a road frame material years ago.

What reason is that? For the vast majority of riders, a 2lb difference in bike weight is neither here nor there.

What about a willson

Their custom frames are just a smidge over budget, built in sheffield

You could ask for a discount if they dont use a named sticker on every tube

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Wilson’s website is quite amusing.

😀 they put all their money into the pricing not the web design 😀

Edit: Incorrect statement about Wilson not being in business anymore…