I had some endura bib 3/4 which were great, but the pad fell to bits after a couple of years so I removed and wore padded shorts underneath but I was dissappointed. Got some of their baggies too and had problems with zips and stitching. And the liner short sizes? Two pairs, both med, one very tight and one very big. Trying Ground Effect 3/4’s now and they seem good so far but only used them a couple of times. Knees ride up a little, but nice and warm and look well made and they only took a week to arrive over the Xmas period despite coming from New Zealand. In summary Endura stuff does the job well but seems a bit fragile, Ground Effect looks promising.