Weight loss – 5.2kg in one week!

OI, ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE KNOW IF WE’RE NATURAL SPRINT ATHLETES!!!!

You start having race tendencies, buying racing bikes, then go the route of lycra. Before you know it you’ll be shaving and bottle tanning your legs, buying an HRM then scowling at anyone and everyone. When you are cofortable walking around your local supermarket or sitting in a bar clad in lycra, then and only then can you call yourself a sprinter.
Would I be out of order to suggest that you, Molly, are demonstarting the characteristics of an endurance athlete rather than a sprinter. #200+ posts and still going

Yeti are you objecting to my use of the word “athlete”? I was simply using it to mean someone who does sport.

LOL at the Sprint athlete!

How on earth can you dream of winning a race when you can’t even get up in the morning? Presumably, as well as being a Sprint athlete and having a special response to carbs, you are also some kind of special body clock owner too?

You complain when people say eat less and move more, but you need to do exactly that. 🙂

Yeah, just a bit. I’m also objecting to the notion that being a natural sprint athlete is a reason for being fat!

How many hours of training are you doing a week?

You are wildly misinterpreting what I am saying. I am saying that being towards one extreme of the physiology spectrum means that one’s body would behave differently to those placed more towards the middle. So it is not at all unreasonable to suggest that generic diet or training guidelines might be less appropriate than something more specific.

I might be doing 4 hours a week, I dunno. I am missing my weekly longer ride though. Why do you ask? Do you think hours spent exercising is an indicator of something?

I don’t have a special body clock, I just have one that starts later. It is very common. It’s why I do most of my training at 10pm. When doing more miles I used to get in from three hour rides at 1am. Does that make me lazy?

So it is not at all unreasonable to suggest that generic diet or training guidelines might be less appropriate than something more specific.

It’s not but a generic one will still work and produce good results so whilst searching for the Holy Grail, just get out and ride your bike more or run, or do both

Molgrips, you’re not special.

You don’t have a special response to carbs, you eat too many biscuits and laze about in bed until 10 and don’t do enough exercise to reach your goals.

All your dreams are achievable, but you need to have a word with yourself.

A generic one will work, will it? Wil it do what I need? Something like idiet perhaps? Do you thing I am spending time on Google INSTEAD of training thinking that will blocking will make ne faster than training?

You people have very odd ideas.

I might be doing 4 hours a week,

I don’t think that’s enough, I do about 20 for no other reason than to stay fit and healthy, 4 hours wouldn’t do that I don’t think

EDIT: I was a bit over-estimating the hours, that last 2 weeks I’ve done 16.5 and 16

A generic one will work, will it? Wil it do what I need?

Pretty much, yes

I’m not claiming to be special of course, but even if I were how would you know? You been doing muscle biopsies on me whilst I sleep?

Different muscle types utilise fatand and carbs differently, so I am told.

Molgrips, I spend 4 hours a week on the toilet!

When I was fell running, I was doing an hour a day running to work and back, then training 2 or 3 nights a week and racing at weekends, with a young family.

When I was road racing, I did 8 to 12 hours on my bike a week plus races.

I know you insist that everyone is different and that you need something special just for you, but cake + sloth = heavier than you could be.

So let’s get this straight.

1) you think one diet works just fine for everyone
2) you don’t believe in the efficacy of HIIT

That right?

You also don’t read the diet threads I presume.

Crikey, do you think I think I do enough training?

I drafted out a longer post but my internet lost it…

Others are already saying what I typed.

It is recommended that we all do 30 mins of exercise a day on average… you’re averaging 4-5 mins more than this.

Are you at such an extreme on the physiology spectrum that this will be enough to achieve your stated dreams?

You certainly don’t need to start taking supplements for this level of activity when you have an ample store of energy around your midrift.

Have you considered that you struggle with the exersion levels because your simply not as fit as you think you are?

So let’s get this straight.

1) you think one diet works just fine for everyone
2) you don’t believe in the efficacy of HOOT

That right?

1) enough to give good results, yes
2) no idea what that is, I once did some work in Hooters in Vegas though

EDIT: Arr……. you changed HOOT for HIIT

I remember a conversation that a friend had with his Mum when we were kids.

“I’m not going to die” he said.

“Stop being stupid”

“Well I haven’t died yet so I may just be unique”

Molgrips, I really don’t want to be unpleasant or unkind to you, but reading through this thread seems to indicate that you feel somehow that you are different.

I think one diet is all most people in the world have. I think that suggesting that you respond differently while also admitting your desire and weakness for high GI food is a bit odd.

HIIT has it’s place, but that place is not to convince people that they can get away with doing 4 hours a week while dreaming of winning races. 4 hours a week is not enough.

I’m more than 10 years older than you and do 2-3-4 hours a day when I get the chance, I use water, and don’t eat for another 2 hours when I get in.

You are messing about molgrips, and time is ticking.

Commit to getting fit, commit to training to race, commit to eating a lot less than you do.

I like biscuits, sweets, crisps and chocolate.
I eat them regularly.
I’m heavier than I could be.
I’m happier than I should be. (according to most of the opinion on here)

Thats probably it now you’ve said it – 4 hours per week. Its not really alot thinking about it. Probably what an average joe in my office might do (e.g. footie a couple of nights per week and a couple of hour long jogging sessions)

I dont have any racing goals (or kids) or anything like that, last week I probably did about 12 hours on the bike without thinking much about it. Thats probably an average week. Granted it wasnt all highly intense but I was still riding my bike.

2) you don’t believe in the efficacy of HIIT

Personally I think it’s the emperors new clothes, just as MAF training is at the other end of the scale.

People will oft cite the research done that demonstrates how great it is. The conclusion drawn is that by reducing your training volume and increasing your intensity you can increase your speed.
But this isn’t news.
Pretty much every traditional training method has worked on the principle of building up an aerobic base, then 8 weeks before the race season reducing the volume and increasing the intensity.
So the revelation that HIIT over an 8 week period increase speed isn’t really a revelation.
What would be a revelation would be HITT over a 52 week period produces greater fitness than old school steady base + speed work.
But that doesn’t appear to happen.
So sure if you’ve only got 1 hour to exercise a week it makes sense doing it at a higher intensity, than an low one, but again it’s not really news.
HIIT tries to sell the dream that you can get fit without putting in the hours.
MAF tries to sell the dream that you can get fit without putting in the effort.
Beware of people selling dreams 🙂

What you lot think I am saying:

Waaah diets don’t work on me I’m special boo hoo I train and everything it’s just not fair

What I’m actually trying to say:

There is a range of physiology types, and what works really well for some doesn’t work as well for others.

1) Four hours a week isn’t my plan, it’s what I actually manage to do. You’re imagining that I am claiming it’s all I need to do. I need to do considerably more, this is obvious.

2) You assume I can’t stop eating cake and I somehow think this is okay. I’ve said I LIKE cake.

3) I’ve said if I don’t supplement the iDiet with more simple carbs than it suggests, my training performance really suffers. I don’t know why you would disagree with this. I’m not the only person on STW who has reported the same symptoms, and at least two people have said it flat out doesn’t work for them at all.

4) I do have a sprinter’s physiology, I’m better than the majority of people at sprinting. This makes me a minority amongst cyclists and recreational runners.

5) I suggest you read iDave’s blog about his half iron man on 6-9 hours training a week.

Commit to getting fit, commit to training to race, commit to eating a lot less than you do.

6) If I don’t eat enough, I can’t train as hard. FACT.

If I don’t eat enough, I can’t train as hard. FACT.

I agree. But just train as hard as you can manage.

1. OK
2. We all LIKE cake
3. well do away with the magic beans and eat normal food
4. If you say so
5. Why would someone else’s training plan interest me? I’m not training for anything anyway

You seem to be constantly looking for a quick fix – to all intents and purposes, there are none

Eeeeeh, lad…

I give up.

I don’t think you know how hard it is to win races.

Molgrips – according to previous threads on here you eat a around kilo a week of highly refined sugar ( OK to be pedantic maltodextrin is not a sugar but acts as glucose) this is having untold effects on your glucose / insulin system and will be damaging your body.

this is why you crave sugar.

molgrips – Member

I’m not claiming to be special of course, but even if I were how would you know? You been doing muscle biopsies on me whilst I sleep?

Different muscle types utilise fatand and carbs differently, so I am told.

Really? new one on me.

…and I reckon that unless you’re there at the end of a race, your sprinting ability is as yet unproven.

But just train as hard as you can manage.

You think this is as effective? If I set out to do maximal sprints and can’t, am I wasting my time? After two weeks on the iDiet I couldn’t sustain more than 15mph on the flat on my road bike, so I had to eat more carbs. After 3 months I still couldn’t ride properly fast, so I started eating more chocolate, I got fast and lost another 2kg.

3. well do away with the magic beans and eat normal food

What do you think I was doing for the previous 34 years of my life? Do you think I started on a diet for the hell of it? Did you read me arguing with idave page after page when it first was posted on here?

5. Why would someone else’s training plan interest me?

You bloody well tell me, you’re joining in the argument. The point is that 6-9 hours can be enough to get much quicker. I don’t have 20 hours, so that’s the only approach open to me.

You seem to be constantly looking for a quick fix

I want the most effective way for me to lose weight and get fast. Not such a ridiculous thing to be looking for, is it? Or should I be doing the same shite, following the same plan I was for years and seeing no results?

and I reckon that unless you’re there at the end of a race, your sprinting ability is as yet unproven.

I’ve not claimed to be good at it.

EDIT not claimed to be good at cycling sprinting. I’m quite quick on foot though.

1) Good… so do it.
2) Good… don’t do it.
3) Do some training not just the occasional bit of exercise.
4) LOL.
5) I have. I’ve also spoken to him about it. He’s dedicated and has a will to succeed that you appear to lack.
6) An excuse to stay overweight. Or, have you thought about following a calorie restricted diet for your basal needs and then fuell specifically for your training sessions. Reduce all calc’s by 10% just to be safe though.

If you’re a natural sprinter, you could probably get good at sprinting with minimal training. Otherwise, you probably can’t.

I’m naturally okay at riding bikes a long way, pretty slowly. So, I can do that without training for it. If I wanted to win a Sports cat XC race, I’d have to train like mad, and would probably still lose.

6) An excuse to stay overweight. Or, have you thought about following a calorie restricted diet for your basal needs and then fuell specifically for your training sessions. Reduce all calc’s by 10% just to be safe though.

Yes, thought about it, tried it, worked to a point. Weight levelled out, more food was required.

Wtf do you mean ‘excuses’ anyway? What’s the difference between cause and effect, and an excuse?

He’s dedicated and has a will to succeed that you appear to lack.

My lack of dedication is not in question. Again, you seem not to understand my point here.

Do you think I’m saying it’s not my fault I’m fat and slow, or something?

Molly – I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… you gotta be trolling us!!!

You’re too bright to be trotting out the shite that you have on this thread…

EDIT not claimed to be good at cycling sprinting. I’m quite quick on foot though.

Is that with heel or forefoot striking??

Am I right in thinking, Molly, that you are trying to train for endurance events?

Do you think I’m saying it’s not my fault I’m fat and slow, or something?

No, I think most people are saying that you are in denial about the best way to change it
If you don’t want to change it, that’s fine too

Mol – I don’t really think you have a point.

I hope anyone reading this thread and thinking about their own training plans doesn’t get sucked in and stuck in your rut.

How long do you stick at new training and diet ideas before you decide you’re right?

How exactly have you progressed since you posted those pictures of yourself 15 months ago?

How lean have you got? How fast have you got?

Why not enter a running race if that’s what you’re good at instead of trying to fight your body?

No, I think most people are saying that you are in denial about the best way to change it

I can’t imagine why you think you know all about how I respond to different exercises and foods…..

Am I right in thinking, Molly, that you are trying to train for endurance events

Ideally, XC MTB. Does that constitute an endurance event? I’d like to get into track racing though.

You’re too bright to be trotting out the shite that you have on this thread…

?

Which bit’s wrong? You think everyone’s the same, and everyone’s body responds to training and nutrition the same?

Does that constitute an endurance event?

Along with reading through endless diet threads, xc racing is definitely one of the tougher tests of endurance

Ideally, XC MTB. Does that constitute an endurance event? I’d like to get into track racing though.

1,5 hours racing would constitute an endurance event, yes.
You’re not built for that as you’re a sprinter, short events on the track are much more suitable.
Work to your strengths.

Which bit’s wrong? You think everyone’s the same, and everyone’s body responds to training and nutrition the same?

I would go as far as to say that long distance sprinters are indeed special and few. 😉

I asked at Newport track what kind of races or leagues etc they held there. No-one knew….

I do need to investigate more, I do want to do it.