Vigilante Motorist and could the cyclist 'fess up?

DezB would have had to slow down anyway due to the oncoming traffic at the pinch point

3 posts in a row full of clueless dickishness and still he doesn’t stop.
If I would’ve been held up by the oncoming traffic, I quite obviously wouldn’t have been annoyed.

Well someone wrote this:

F. F. S. Maybe it’s my poor comprehension, but a debate is someone saying “X is the case”, and someone else going “no, Y is true, and this is why”. There was me making an observation that (if you can be sufficiently arsed to read the whole thing) even **** concedes that the camera viewpoint is gonna be different from the camera compared to what DezB saw. But hey, let’s not allow reason and logic to stand in the way of a p!ss-poor argument over nothing.

DezB – Member

Don’t give a toss about most of what is said, but when people come up with such dickish comments as

Shouty man has anger issues and is obviously looking for conflict. He’s the type who will deliberately put themselves in danger “to prove a point”

I do feel inclined to respond.
I was just riding to work sbob. I presume you’re looking for conflict with comments like that. Big difference is, where you’re sat while you’re doing it.

I’m not looking for conflict (although I enjoy a good argument), on the roads my main aim is to avoid conflict!

A car overtook you.
You then rode into the back of it.
You had plenty of time to stop.
So you either got so angry that you deliberately rode into it, or you were so incensed that you failed to brake in time.

Either way, it’s not my comment that was “dickish”, it’s your behaviour.
Sort your attitude out.
If previous incidents had pissed you off that badly then you should have pulled over until you had regained your composure.

It’s not like the Swift put you in danger, and you would have had to slow down anyway. You’re getting all upset over nothing.

Ride safe.

Jonesy – Member

So what should have been the correct course of action for the motorist in that situation?

Hold the overtake until the hazard was cleared.

I’m not looking for conflict (although I enjoy a good argument), on the roads my main aim is to avoid conflict!

You say that. I say that.

You still don’t get it, do you.
YOu can say my behaviour is dickish, I can say your comments are dickish (they are), there’s no difference.
You sort your attitude out. You’re telling me how to behave – I’m not telling anyone how to behave.
You’re making assumptions about the situation in the video that are wrong. I know they are wrong because I was there and ride that way often.

Hold the overtake until the hazard was cleared

I would hope that anybody with a license would know that. Unfortunately experience provides otherwise.

DezB would have had to slow down anyway due to the oncoming traffic at the pinch point

3 posts in a row full of clueless dickishness and still he doesn’t stop.
If I would’ve been held up by the oncoming traffic, I quite obviously wouldn’t have been annoyed

Dezb seriously…………the only person that doesnt stop is you.

You are obviously passed any sort of realistic discussion, if you ever were in the first place and are just posting antagonistic key board warrior nonsense. I think it says quite a lot about you to be honest. Hopefully your next video will be played by a third party because we would all be better off.

How am I posting antagonistic keyboard warrior nonsense and people telling me how to behave aren’t?
I’m only responding to what’s been said, if it’s wrong. It’s not me who bumped the post today.

The actual overtake was one of the safest I’ve seen these days, plenty of room, nothing oncoming. Nothing like the usual idiots who squeeze past with inches to spare.

The poor lady’s only error (apart from overtaking and daring to hold up someone who more than likely has issues) is that maybe she didn’t know the road and didn’t see or know that there was traffic/sign/bridge ahead until she’d virtually completed the overtake.

What else should she have done at this point to avoid the wrath of angry man?

Hate to think what would happen to the motorist who actually put DezB in a properly dangerous situation rather than just one of mild inconvenience. I’d imagine it’d be something like Michael Douglas in the film Falling Down!

DezB – Member

3 posts in a row full of clueless dickishness and still he doesn’t stop.

Calm down, you’ll burst a blood vessel.

If I would’ve been held up by the oncoming traffic, I quite obviously wouldn’t have been annoyed.

From the video, it looks like I would have had to slow down anyway.
Your judgement may be different, but from the video I’m not likely to be trusting your judgement!

All this because you got held up a bit.
Calm down and grow up.

Stay safe. 🙂

I can understand the frustration and the outburst, I’m sure most people on here would admit to the odd FFS on their commute.

It’s the riding into the back of the car intentionally that I’ve a problem with… it’s not proving any point it’s just making cyclists look like ****.

If it was a builders van with a couple of 6 foot blokes would you have managed to get the anchors on in time… just a thought.

DezB – Member

You say that. I say that.

You still don’t get it, do you.
YOu can say my behaviour is dickish, I can say your comments are dickish (they are), there’s no difference.
You sort your attitude out. You’re telling me how to behave – I’m not telling anyone how to behave.
You’re making assumptions about the situation in the video that are wrong. I know they are wrong because I was there and ride that way often.

Only one of us is getting shouty and sweary on the roads Dez.
Only one of us is getting shouty and sweary on the forum.

Shall we put it to the vote who needs to sort out their attitude?

Thought not.

Calm the **** down, for your own sake.

WO HOO its the four horsemen of the trollacylpse v DEZ

Its rather sad , yet so predictably STW, to see all cycling car discussion end up as idiotic key board warrior troll fests led by the ignorant feining outrage in order to provoke others

MLEH

is that maybe she didn’t know the road and didn’t see or know that there was traffic/sign/bridge ahead until she’d virtually completed the overtake.

I love phrases like virtually completed the correct word is incomplete and even you know she failed to complete the move before she braked.

I like the way you said this before as well just for the reaction like

hold up someone who more than likely has issues)

I best leave before all the testosterone goes to my head and I end up as stupid as the ones left on here.

Only one of us is getting shouty and sweary on the forum.

Shall we put it to the vote who needs to sort out their attitude?

Thought not.

Calm the **** down, for your own sake

What are those asterixeed out words if not swearing
LOLZ trolls be a trolling

Oh and because I know facts matter plenty of posters said they would have sworn just like dez did

At least his was a reaction rather than premeditated.

Ah, is that what it is? I’m being “trolled” 😆
Wow, no wonder I’m shouty and sweary on the forum. 🙄

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Reality is that way: —->

What are those asterixeed out words if not swearing

Way to go Junkers, that’s adding to the discussion! 🙂
You define trolling.

Ps. it was just four asterixes Junkyard, they represent peace, harmony, honesty and respect.

PPs. I love you. 😳

I’m off to work, try and stay calm in my absence.

Oh noes, not the trollppocalypse!!

Not even close to angry somewhere between bemused and amused as to why an adult would bother to just try and annoy another for fun. sadly the inner you is a ****

I used it just the same as you and am being just as honest 😛

Really? So you don’t think that breaking several bits of guidance in the HC “falls below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver”? How much of the HC is it reasonable for a careful and competent driver to ignore?

Qudratrollasauraus

A four headed Greek mythalogical dinosaur with four heads, no backbone, tiny brain and webbed feet . Usually found under bridges or on cycling forums, appears to know everything about everything and is never wrong

Oh FFS! I know you don’t do spelling on here, but I also know you can – if you’re going to invent a new meme (which I’m sure will be handy in future) you could try a bit harder 😉

four horsemen of the trollocalypse

Really? So you don’t think that breaking several bits of guidance in the HC “falls below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver”? How much of the HC is it reasonable for a careful and competent driver to ignore?

I don’t know if it’s specifically mentioned, but I’m pretty sure that actively piloting your vehicle into the back of the car in front in a temper falls below said standard.

Just as a matter of interest (and because I’m not sure what my answer would be), what would we have thought if that had been a T junction with a stop sign, instead of a pinch point?

Whataboutery. I was specifically discussing the standard of the overtake – I don’t think that was provoked by dez riding into the back of the car (which I’ve already said was wrong – that too would be a similar offence, though it would be hardly difficult to defend as impossible to prove “beyond reasonable doubt” that he was able to stop in time after the overtake), but maybe I’m not seeing the video the same as you.

Just as a matter of interest (and because I’m not sure what my answer would be), what would we have thought if that had been a T junction with a stop sign, instead of a pinch point?

Concerning the standard of driving involved in the overtake? Pretty much the same principle applies.

Fair play. Was just thinking, just going by the video, I probably would have been less annoyed if it was a T junction, as I’d have to stop for it anyhow. In this instance, I’d have just had to stop a car’s-length-and-a-bit sooner.

But you’d have then been stuck waiting behind the car, when the chances are you could have got straight out if it hadn’t been there (I wouldn’t necessarily strictly obey stop signs on a bike – so shoot me). Not sure if you’ve never experienced cars overtaking you just before junctions – I’ve had it loads and it’s the main reason I’m empathising with dez here, as I don’t think I’ve had a car overtake before a pinch point. It’s blinking irritating.

Still going? Jeez!

Right, maybe to stop some more “what coulda shoulda woulda” beens about why the overtake was bad. You probably can’t tell some of these things from the little clip
1. I could tell instantly she braked that she knew the pinch-point was there as it wasn’t in sight at that point
2. Her braking started before she’d got back into her own lane and the slow-down appeared more severe than it does in the vid.
2. It wasn’t a T-junction so that is completely irrelevant
3. I can easily fit through the pinch point with a car (or even lorry) coming the other way, so wouldn’t have needed to stop if she hadn’t overtaken incorrectly. (Funnily enough most times cars have waited for me there anyway, as they’ve just turned into the road and are probably still in 2nd gear)
4. She didn’t need to stop! She was at the pinch point before the on-coming car. (For the same reason as above). You definitely can’t tell that from the video.
5. (ok one more) I wouldn’t have needed to stop or even slow down if the driver of the Suzuki had waited behind me and gone around 18mph for about 10 seconds, after which she could have overtaken me quite easily, safely and without holding anyone up.

So in that instance of yet another pillock unnecessarily hindering my progress, I swore in a few seconds of annoyance and tapped* the back bumper to make a point. She noticed, but just drove off. Make of that what you will.

*RAMMED like a magnificent Hora weapon. Blasted her up the rear. SMASHED! wildly up her back-end! Whatever!

Put this to bed now please!

Careful dez, you get in trouble round here for defending yourself from the trolls.

But you’d have then been stuck waiting behind the car, when the chances are you could have got straight out if it hadn’t been there (I wouldn’t necessarily strictly obey stop signs on a bike – so shoot me). Not sure if you’ve never experienced cars overtaking you just before junctions – I’ve had it loads and it’s the main reason I’m empathising with dez here, as I don’t think I’ve had a car overtake before a pinch point. It’s blinking irritating.

Now, I didn’t pose the question with an agenda, but that does rather raise a couple of interesting points* – firstly, yeah, I have had that before, and it IS irritating, but I wonder if there’s a bit of a grey line about what constitutes a breach of the HC. I know you quoted it earlier, regarding making other vehicles swerve or slow down, but where do the boundaries lie? If she’d made the overtake ten, twenty, thirty yards earlier, he still would have had to slow down – if the queue of traffic coming the other way had been long, she could have overtaken half a mile earlier and DezB still would had to slow down. A fatuous comparison, I know, but you see what I’m getting at? Secondly, I’m not gonna shoot you, but you know, live by the sword and all that (said with the admission that I wouldn’t stop if the way was obviously clear, either). 🙂

* It’s all relative, hey… 🙂

I agree it makes for an interesting discussion, better than lots of stuff further up the thread. I didn’t quote this before as it wasn’t relevant:

There is indeed a grey line, but I think it’s in pretty much the same place in both situations. If you’re braking before you’ve completed the overtake you’ve quite clearly crossed it. If at the point you overtake even the best driver in the world wouldn’t know that they were likely to hold up the cyclist you’re the other side of it. The line is somewhere in between those scenarios.