[Closed] Ultimate 140mm light-weight trail bike

What's the weight limit on a Blur XC Carbon? i.e. do you really need 140mm?

Was thinking the carbon LT2 as would like 140mm but guess they will cost a fortune and no chance of getting one of those bad boys second hand any time soon!

Lapierre 914 of any interest to you? Or a 714 if you dont have the bunts?

never considered the Lapierre, time for some research!

Is it possible to get a Blur LT below 26lbs?

[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/somebody-pimped-their-blur ]I would imagine so, as you can get the ordinary Blur below 19lbs....[/url]

Yeah I think the carbon LT2 would be perfect, but then it's a £2299 frame 😯 ! Having said that, I'm in the market for my dream trail bike this year & I reckon that is it.

Ibis MOJO SL all the way 🙂

they just make it all sooo easy. I liked my 4 bar FSR titus but the mojo is as good. stiffens slightly under acceleration and sucks up anything downhill. also corners like its on rails, mine is 26 pounds with really normal trail kit.

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MSC Zion Carbon. I know of two sub 25lb builds that are raced DH.

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/bikes/mountain/product/zion-carbon-r-32381

that IBIS looks a bit sweet!

Chumba VF2, 4 bar, carbon rear end, light enough and super stiff, Chumba pride themselves on building some of the siffest frames on the market.

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Love the build on that Chumba, Si.

Hope mine will scrub up that nicely...

(definitely looks good in white)

metalheart, you ordered a black VF2?

Looking for the same bike myself
Either La Pierre Zesty 514/714 or Ibis Mojo/Mojo sl
trying to find bikes to demo in a large is a nightmare
Also not sure the mojo sl is worth the extra over the syandard
worried about the low bottom bracket on the Ibis

Steve Jones from Dirt got his Orange 5 down to around 25 pounds.

Hitman, if you fancy a VF2 mail me, i have a few frames at REALLY good prices...

Nicolai Helius CC or swap your RFX for a new 5Spot. Just had my DW Spot up in the Peak this last weekend and it was excellent (but is a bit porky although pedals lighter than it weighs if you know what I mean). My Helius (130, but I believe going up to 140) runs in at 25.5 lbs, so light enough, stiff and a four bar. Ticks all your boxes (but it'll cost I'm afraid).

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metalheart, you ordered a black VF2?

Yup. Looks good in white as well...

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Gotta be a Mojo, even the standard one, or the SL if you have the cash. I really want one!

Titus Motolite or FTM?

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26lbs in this guise. New Dt 150s would remove another 250g, ghetto tubeless another 500g, loose the Joplin, another 350g you're at 23.8lbs

Give me a few days and I'll be there...

I think my LT2 is 26.5 lbs but I could probably loose 0.5lb if I went for Stans & some lighter tyres. I wldnt change anything else I dont think..

FYI the finishing kit is XTR, Easton combo of seatpost, stem & bars w Hope M4 brakes & Hope hoops w High Rollers. Forks are Fox Talas.

So yeah I do think it can be done..

My Orange 5 is 26.2lb! No expensive carbon in sight. I do however have a real itch for a MOJO it's about the only bike i'd replace the 5 with.

Why is it so important to get a light bike when you weigh 15 stone? 😛

Surpised no one has mentioned the Yeti 575, slightly more travel but not difficult to build to 26 lbs, The half carbon version is almost as light as the carbon Blur LT2 and considerably cheaper.

Grumm thats exactly what i was thinking. And how long is a really light weight 140 travel bike with a 15 stoner on board going to last.

At the risk of getting flamed I reckon there are some very optimistic weights being published here. My Blur LT2 with air Pikes, RP23, DT4.2 rims, Easton Monkeylight, Truvativ cranks, Hope Mono Minis, SRAM X9 comes in at 29lbs according to the bathroom scales. It is the most fantastic AM bike, and built for taking reasonably big hits, so not desouigned to be a racing snake. The LT2 carbon only arrives in June, saves probably 1lb in weight, and the frame alone will be about £2500.

If you want something with 140mm it is going to come in around 28/29lbs because a 140mm travel full suss will be built to take hits. If you want 26lbs you will be looking at a 100mm to 120mm pure XC machine

I think CaptainMainwaring talks sense. Do you really need something that light? Why have do you have such a specific requirement for wieght?

Titus FTM

http://titusti.com/titus09/bikes/trail_ftm.php

carbon Blur has no weight restrictions on it.

Why not have a light bike? There are no rules that say you have to have a bigger heavier bike just because you weigh more.

Id defo check the MSC Zion out, i've ridden one twice and it's brilliant for trail duties.

CaptainMainwaring - Member

At the risk of getting flamed I reckon there are some very optimistic weights being published here

Wot he said.

The LT2 carbon only arrives in June, saves probably 1lb in weight, and the frame alone will be about £2500.

Probably splitting hairs at this price point, but according to the pdf available on the UK SCB website, the LTc frame will be £2299, which makes it the same price as a Mojo SL. Admittedly, I was also expecting it to be a bit more than that based on the price of the XC carbon. Links to the PDFs at the bottom of [url= http://www.santacruzbikes.co.uk/bicycles/pricing/blurLT.html ]this page.[/url]

New Scott Genius Carbon - 25lb easy

I don't think it's as easy to say 'an all mountain bike will weigh x', and I don't think a 26lb bike will be a "pure XC machine", I'd happily build up a 140mm travel bike with the kind of kit that would get it under 25lbs, but I'm not a hard rider, and I'm under 11 stone.

I do agree with the optimism of some of the weights though!

[i]Why not have a light bike? There are no rules that say you have to have a bigger heavier bike just because you weigh more.
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Not what I said. I was asking why look for something around a specific wieght. Why 26lbs? I dont know the weights of my bikes just that one is heavier than the others as it has more springs and pivots.

Gary Fisher Roscoe

IMO generally these types of bikes are better when they weigh a bit more. What i mean by that is weight on the types of frames mentioned here are pretty similar, it is things like wheels and forks that make a difference, and very light wheels and forks on 140mm bikes just don’t make sense imo.

I think 28lb-30lb on a Mojo/575/VF2 etc is the ideal compromise.

I'm with Si on this. My Mojo was initially built up as light as possible (Pace forks, full XTR etc). It gradually got heavier (Marz Z1 Lights, Joplin, bigger tyres) and to my mind got better and better. Slightly slacker angles and the extra weight meant it held it's lines much better on rocky descents, steep drops, jumps etc. Sure it was a bit slower up hill, but in the scheme of things was still good. Sadly now sold.
Same thing happened with my 5-Spot - started as light as possible (e.g. Maverick forks) but got better with Push rockers, bigger forks etc.
If you want something lightweight, why not buy a hardtail, and keep the full-suss slightly burlier?

Roscoe's aren't light, but they aren't heavy either - and they certainly don't "ride" heavy. Best of all is that they are a good neutral easy-handling bike that feels invincible at speed too. I reckon you ought to try one.

Yup. I weigh 15stone and wouldnt dream of getting lightweight parts unless I won the lottery. My heckler rides much better with beefier parts, after all a 140mm bike is built for proper riding not fairy prancing fireroads and racing in circles round a grassy field.

built for proper riding not fairy prancing fireroads and racing in circles round a grassy field.

Quote of the day!

Light weight wheels on 140mm travel + rock garden + full spead ahead * 15 stone = pringles

If you want a bike that weighs 26lb but still has build kit, wheels and tyres that can take a pasting, hardtail.

Oh and that Blur on the other thread is the carbon one. And I bet it rides like a spastic giraffe.

Why not have a light bike? There are no rules that say you have to have a bigger heavier bike just because you weigh more.

As other have mentioned, when you build 140mm bikes this light, they stop riding like 140mm bikes. My Five seems to have a magic weight of around 29lb where it seems to ride best in technical stuff and still be ok to climb again - and a love of riding technical stuff is why you bought a 140mm bike in the first place right?

I've seen far too many people build crazy light bikes and then actually hate riding them. Nervous, twitchy and uncomfortable is usually the words I hear.

Also agree some of these weights are a bit optimistic - I know before I had accurate scales I was living in fantasy that I'd managed to hit 26 - 27lb based on guess work, quoted weights and silly tyres. I now run at 29lb for weekend rides and chuck some skinny tyres on for marathons.

More lightweight cobblers; this time the other way.

My Orange 5 weighs 25-ish pounds. It's not built flimsy, it's built nicely. And it's a true weight, on a calibrated scale.

So why would it not ride like a 29lb Orange 5, but 3lb lighter?

Perhaps it be the coil bolt through fork, more hardcore tyres, Holzfeller bar and stem, meatier wheelset all adding up for a stiffer more planted, less nervous ride?

Have you ever built yours any other way?

Also Scott, very interested in the details of your build actually... 🙂

At 14.5 stone, I'd be fairly nervous raiding a 26lbs 140mm full-susser. There's nothing inherently wrong with riding a lighter bike, but, heavier riders can't expect a lighter bike to behave in the same manner as lighter riders riding the same bike could.

Wheels, frame, bars, forks, shock linkages will all flex more with heavier loads. This is just physics.

This is why STW is full of fatuous comments about 'blah blah bike, stiff as you like, all you'll ever need'

Maybe it would be for an 11 stone whippet, but it won't behave the same with me on it. Without qualifying your weight and riding style, these sorts of statements are meaningless.

I have to agree with several others on hear about optimistic weights.

I spent a considerable amount of thought and effort trying to lighten my 5 spot without compromising its intended use as a hard riding xc bike for a fat lad. In a large size, I've managed to lighten it from nearly 34lbs to 29.6lbs. Shaving off the weight from 30.5 to 29.6 was quite difficult to do whilst staying to my brief at the same time.

This has made a substantial difference to how it responds on the trail - Its much more responsive, but If I went any lighter, its character would begin to get a bit more flighty.

I have tried many options, but like it as it is now. These include Fox36's, Pace (coil) Fighters and various wheels and tyres.

I prefer the way it is now; it's honed to prefection. I can't seem to break it, or even bend it. It screams downhill and handles perfectly, not nervous or twitchy.

Mmm. ScottChegg your build must be flyweight or the scales are wrong. Previous thread indicates that Orange 5's usually come out about 28-30lbs.
[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-does-your-orange-5-weight ]Orange weight[/url]

Whatever, as GaryLake, scruff and others said surely if you have 140mm travel you want a beefy build to enjoy the technical bits and knowing your kit is going to stand up to it. That's one of the reasons I love my BLT2 - it just seems to take all the punishment I throw at it, usually through complete incompetence

Yep, standard was about 29lb, but that was a lot of upgrading ago. The crap Nevegals were the first to go - weighed a ton, and didn't work in mud. Same with the standard RF Evolve cranks; too heavy.

Now Full XTR, Chris Kings, Thomson masterpiece, carbon this, Ti that, blah blah blah. Scrummy.

There's nothing on it that I don't trust to last though. The Ti Fly saddle may be a weight saving too far, may go back to the Bel Air and cushion my chuff a bit more.

I'm somewhat skeptical - the Mojo sponsered lads have their Fives down to 25lb but they are built for riding in the NPS and have likely had no expense spared - I 'think' they also run a 120mm fork too.

Screaming downhill is all relative - I'm a pretty fast rider but I also know that I've got riding buddies who are leagues faster than me. All I'm saying is, what you class as screaming downhill, might not actually be fast enough to highlight the nervous nature of that build. In which case you could have got away with a lesser travel bike anyway. Not trying to get into an argument - I'm just 'saying' and I'm happy to be proved wrong.

All I know is that I removed skinny 2.1 HRs and a Fox 32 Float and Added 2.35s tyres (+1lb) and a 32 Vanilla 15QR (+0.4lb) and it descends much faster and is more secure.

No matter what you claim, there's no way you've achieved 25lbs without something like a 32 float (and I suspect something lighter and sacrier) and silly tyres like a sub 500g 2.1.

Scott, still not mentioned forks and tyres...

140mm 32 Floats and Racing Ralphs

Yes I'm very sceptical of that, as you say Gary, the Mojo boys have theirs in that sort of ball park, but they're full on XC builds, a bit pointless IMO, but they are nutters on the descents!

And I am the fastest downhill in any group I've ridden, by some margin.

So I need a lighter bike, because I'm not the fastest up the other side!

It's possible, but I'm gonna remain a sceptic!

To be honest, as long as you like riding it there's not really anything else that matters.

If you can't see the benefit of a 2.35 Nevegal going downhill over a racing ralph, your trails are tame or you're not that fast. Sorry.

However if your trails aren't tame and if you can go just as fast on the ralphs, at least admit there's a difference but you have the skills to 'get away with' the ralphs.

Either way, my beef is you saying that your 25lb Five is a sensible build and just as capable as a 29lb and you notice no difference in downhill ability... which is BS either way

Here's my old 575 Yeti, just a gnats under 25lb.
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I would use the Stans 355 rims or even the Flow if your a hard rider considering your weight - no offence as I wouldn't want you pringle the wheels. Built with stuff that doesn't break either. But if I had to choose a bike on ride alone, comfort and knowing it would take the rough stuff better I'd pick my old Turner 5 Spot anyday. The Yeti got affected by cross-winds too bad and just wasn't as plush as the 5 Spot. But the 5 Spot was over 30lbs because of the coil forks and shock but I'd still have this one any day
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Screaming downhill is all relative

Oh and it's not whether you are fastest in your group, it's whether your bike strong enough for how fast [b]you[/b] go.

Build your bike as light as you want, spend as much as you want, just remember the advice others gave if you end up replacing expensive parts for something a bit stronger/heavier.

On the flipside people can completely overbuild their bike, again not a problem, just remember you've got to haul it back to the top. Not a problem riding on your own but your mates might get sick of waiting of you.

No, I can't agree. Nevegals are rubbish. Pikes are nice, but too heavy by about 1.25lb. If you need a 20mm axle on 140mm, you need better hubs. Ralphs are great tyres.

The boggies had a ride around my backyard

[url] http://www.bogtrotters.org/show_album.php?album_id=984 [/url]

Those are my local trails. It's not the alps, but it's not a canal towpath either. Skiddaw was taken in it's stride. Moab was a blast.

It's good. Really.

My 575 comes in at a shade over 28lbs since I added the bigger rotors and DHX air. I also weigh around 15 stone and it takes everything I can throw a it.

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Sorry but I am going to call serious BS here - shows there must be some rubbish scales out there. A Yeti 575 weighing 25lbs? A 575 frame is 6.55lbs which is 0.55lbs more than my BLT2. I have a mid range build on the BLT2 and it is 29lbs. Where do you save 4lbs weight on kit?

My foes xct-5 is extremely rigid. Thors, XTR, tune etc it comes in at 27.7.

Marta Mags arrived today, which will take off a little but will add far more with NNic UST 2.25s that are also about to go on. 26.5 is poss but i wanted trail reliability.

I can see Im going to have to get the scales out & check the weight of my BLT2! 😉

My lapierre zesty 314 weighs 28 lbs. If I was to change to a lighter set of wheels say Pro 3 hubs onto Stans 355 and going tubeless I could lose at least 1.5lbs. Now these are still strong wheels and I know I wouldn't pringle them as I'm not an elite downhiller but like to ride fast XC techy trails with the odd small jump. In fact I am going to buy these wheels for endurance races and keep the heavier CrossRides for downhill stuff.

So losing 1.5lbs without even talking carbon bling I can see the Lap getting down to 25lb fairly easy TBH.

Er, 28lb - 1.5lb isn't 25lb.

CaptainMainwaring - ask Stu the Yeti rep or anyone who works at BETD, the Yeti on Ultimate Digital scales weighed in under 25lb - no bullshit! Oh you want the proof, here goes then. If you want the spec let me know 😉
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I'd be [i]really[/i] interested in that spec

Yeti 575 medium frame
Chris King Rasta headset
Easton EC90 SL Low Riser bars
Ritchey WCS grips
Ritchey WCS stem
Thomson Masterpiece seatpost
SDG Ti Yeti saddle
Tune seatclamp
Fox Talas RLC 08 forks
Avid Ultimate brakes with Hope floating rotors & Matchmaker clamps
SRAM X.0 shifters
SRAM X.0 rear mech
XTR M970 chainset
XTR M970 front mech
XTR M970 cassette
Control Tech Ti skewers
Goldtec Pro Comp front hub on ZTR Olympic rims running Stans NoTubes
Goldtec Pro Comp rear - as above
Schwalbe RR/NN tyres 2.25
Xpedo Ti/Ti pedals
cant remember the chain lol.

I changed to the Fox Float RLC's with 15mm axle and with new wheel it went just over 25lb. Our wheels are very light - especially running the NoTubes system. My mates got a 575, same year same size and his was heavier even thought he had all XTR gear and Hope wheels. The saving was in the wheels basically, which is why I recommended the heavier stronger Stans rims. Sorted 😀

Pikes are nice, but too heavy by about 1.25lb. If you need a 20mm axle on 140mm, you need better hubs.

What?!
There is NO hub in this world that can make a fork equally as stiff as a 20mm axle. I'm with Gary Lake on this one.

That's believable, those pedals are light (and crap!), skewers, seatclamp, brakes, bar, stem, grips are all light.

My Epic is nearly 4lbs lighter than that, be about right.

Badbloods Yeti is sweeeet.

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I must have been really lucky with my pedals njee. One set did fall apart but after they were repaired they were fine. The bearings wear yes but they spun perfectly. With the kit on above I got the Intense 5.5 down to 25.5lb - like I said it's the wheels and little bits that add up.

Yes, you must have been! I had 3 sets that all fell apart within 6 months, it's a real shame, as they were great pedals to use, worked really nicely. I have still got a set, but with too much play to be of any use!

Hadge, fair enough but with that spec your build won't have given you much change from £4000. I'd be expecting something pretty special for that

"Pikes are nice, but too heavy by about 1.25lb. If you need a 20mm axle on 140mm, you need better hubs.

What?!
There is NO hub in this world that can make a fork equally as stiff as a 20mm axle"

You don't need pikes though for a 20mm axle
Pikes Range from something like 2.1kg to 2.45kg depending on air/coil, U-turn/fixed, materials

Magura Thor 100-140mm are 1740g
Revelations are a bit heavier, but between 1.8-1.9kg I think depending on U-turn or not

Still heavy compared to the latest Fox 32 Float QRs at 1.63kg or something silly (when rebas have gone upto about 1.7kg)

The Ti/MG's were the worst! They had a stupid little spring clip that broke at the slightest knock. The Ti/Ti's used a totally different design, as do the newer cheaper ones so things should be better now -apart from the play developing later lol