traveller camps

i think we’re seeing a new variation of the EDL

No trailmonkey – what you are seeing is that I cannot be bothered with you. this was a reasonable discussion until you joined it.

Just finished working … Anyone fancy joining me in a nicely chilled glass of pinot grigo and some Tyrrells hand cooked crisps?

The trouble is when the feelings and beliefs of left-leaning people like me actually meet with the cold reality of how traveller families sometimes work. I get to deal a little bit with travellers, not as much as my wife. Some strong matriarchal families. Some where physical and other abuse within families seems common. Some where they define them self as different from the Gorgie and out to take them for what they can. I know too many people I trust who have witnessed stuff getting nicked, threats of violence etc to believe in a romantic rural idyll of honest travellers.

What is the answer? No idea.

why not tj because i’ve made a valid point – that is not based on prejudice or ignorance – that you cannot answer.

there is no way that you can back up that new age travellers have been in the uk for a long time which is what you claimed.

for some reason you think that this is ample reason to insult me.

classy bloke.

Already a fair smattering of ignorance on this thread. Disappointed really.

Usual internet problem- people expressing opinion with apparent authority, whilst betraying a lack of education or insight.

there is no way that you can back up that new age travellers have been in the uk for a long time which is what you claimed.

Did I? really? where?

As for insults…………….

I’ve no idea why you’re focusing so much on new age travellers, they’re barely relevant- when people talk about “travellers”, do they generally mean some hippies in a flower bus? Course not. An understanding of context is useful so that people don’t have to specify and explain every tiny detail.

TJ, FFS, get a life. Please. For your own health and well being, if not for being so boring on here.

Seriously, old chap, you need to learn to stop. You need to learn to realise that your opinion is not always right and even when it is, some people don’t or won’t want to listen to it. So, you should just sit down, maybe have a beer or read a good book or something, but FFS please just stop arguing about EVERYTHING!

Did I? really? where?

here

Mrmo these people have been travelling round these islands for a long time

these people – travellers – irish tinkers, roma, the summer walkers of the highlands new age travellers

I’ve no idea why you’re focusing so much on new age travellers, they’re barely relevant

because they are relevant. i think lots of people are confused as to why they are offered protection under racial law and why they should be entitled to be sited at the taxpayers expense because of their lifestyle choices not because of any cultural heritage.

mrmo – Member

I am curious why Irish travellers/Gypsies are provided with sites

TandemJeremy – Member

Mrmo these people have been travelling round these islands for a long time

Hey ho capt. I have been trying to be good an all. 😳

trailmonkey – Member

because they are relevant

Not to this thread, no. Well, except for your heroic derail.

eh ? it’s a thread about traveller camps, how can new age travellers not be relevant ?

i rather think that they’re only irrelevant if their inclusion in the debate undermines your argument,

right, i’m out, as always with these threads, you either tow the pc line or you’re obviously some kind of daily mail bigot and i’d hate to be tarred with that brush when my only intention was to counter tj’s pomposity.

trailmonkey – Member

anyhow tj brought them in then

You realise anyone who cares can just click back to page 1 and see that this is a lie? Or possibly a delusion, but I think it’s a lie.

And a sneaky edit too… Though too slow to be effective.

Christ. New age travellers have absolutely nothing to do with the OP’s intended discussion about “Travellers’ camps”.

New age travellers were doing their thing when I was growing up. They were loosely associated with environmental concerns, good drugs, free festivals and dogs on a bootlace.

Travellers, in the case of the OP could perhaps be categorised into Irish travellers, settled building and horse-dealing travellers, and the real-deal-Romany-travellers.

The creation of ghettos is always a BAD THING. It creates divsiveness in communities. Give the travellers somewhere to live on a brownfield site and they’re happy. Most of the sites here in the North East are between industrial estates in the middle of fekkin nowhere. The locals aren’t bothered because the nearest houses are far away. The residents of said sites are only there for half the year anyway (I know this as I have to deliver photos to them and half the time, their relatives have to pay for them as they’re away travelling).

New age travellers have absolutely nothing to do with the OP’s intended discussion about “Travellers’ camps”.

No, but for some bizarre reason someone wanted to nitpick what TJ had said. And all the more bizarre because despite repeatedly rereading his comments, I can’t see anything particularly “controversial” with what he said.

I guess it was just a “let’s have a pop at TJ for no particular reason” moment.

ernie_lynch – Member

No, but for some bizarre reason someone wanted to nitpick what TJ had said.

Actually, what he hadn’t said.

On the Irish thing…I’ve just been thinking…there has (as long as I’ve know and long before) existed a specific special relationship between the UK and Ireland, regarding free movement between the two countries. For example, even before the EEC, EU, etc, an Irish citizen could stroll into the UK, get an NI number, a job, draw dole, use the NHS, vote in UK parliamentary elections (still the only other country’s citizens that can do this AFAIK) and lots of other stuff. Perhaps some of this might help in understanding why Irish travellers are afforded such rights.

My comments, as always, are made independently. In the main, they were made as a refutation of Trailmonkey’s argument. I did read the whole thread and was briefly aware of all contributors, but some posts stood out…

DD …. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law_and_the_Republic_of_Ireland
….your “special relationship”.

A question for those that might know (I don’t). If half a million Irish crossed to the UK and declared themselves homeless, would the UK be obliged to house them, feed them, give them Social Security??

Dunno druidh, but the average iQ of this landmass would rise dramatically. 😛

🙂

TJ, FFS, get a life. Please. For your own health and well being, if not for being so boring on here.

Heh! Pots and kettles! You’ve contributed nothing to this thread other than to announce your presence, in some desperate attempt to be noticed, then have a pop at TJ as usual. Why not take your own advice?

And TJ is far, far more inertesting than you. FACT.

As for travelling folk; I recently met some traveller kids on a small site, and asked them for directions back to the river path. They were really friendly, and showed me the way. Just by their site, there was a large pile of old tyres and scrap white goods. One kid saw me looking at it, and said ‘people come and dump stuff here all the time, and we get the blame for it’.

Another little piece of the puzzle fell into place that day…

Now I’m a bit lost. Why would happy, settled Irish types suddenly leave their brand new, unsympathetically built bungalows and decide to move to broken Britain? 🙂

Just to clarify. These days, there are far more ‘genuine’ travellers than there are new age types.

Please see the writings of Pete Loveday for further clarification.

EDIT; not that I’ve anything against crusty types protesting against motorway extensions or the like…

Actually, can’t really read that wiki article on my jellybone druidh. Are we afforded more privileges than your common or garden EU citizen or am I talking out my arse ( there’s a first time for everything)?

and scrap white goods

RACIST………nothing good was ever black ? 😐

Sorry, scrap household appliances. Stuff like wash-mashins, frijiz, microwabe ovens, that sort of stuff.

What about canal boat dwellers? I’ve noticed an exponential increase in their numbers over the last few years, and I unserdtand that the price of boats is rising steeply as demand soars. Obviously a result of the ridiculous cost of housing, speshly in That London.

Most of ’em are fine, nice people. Bit ‘New Age’ some of them, but polite, generally quite well-educated and a diverse range of skills amongst them. There’s a minority though who dump all sorts of junk on the towpath, use it as an extension of their home, show a lack of courtesy to and consideration for other towpath users, and are generally not very nice.

The worst people I’ve ever encountered have bin permanent home dwellers.

I just dont understand how these folk are travellers? Some of them stay in the same place for years. Just folk who wont pay for anything IMO.

I think they’re ethnically ‘travellers’ but habitually ‘stationary’

I think they’re ethnically ‘travellers’ but habitually ‘stationary’

So why are they allowed to live in special ghettos? You get complaints about racial integration in certain parts of the country because of self imposed ghettos and here we have a policy that is enforcing this through law?

Do new age travellers still exist?

They used to be great in my teenage yeara to score acid, e’s and grass etc !

Dont seem them afround anymore – but maybe I am not looking!

I thought new age travellers got called protestors now.

We had some travellers turn up on some common land in a town near where I live. About 2 weeks later my car was taken from my drive, using keys aquired by breaking into my house. The crime was traced back to one of the said travellers and he’s now been convicted. So I can understand, perhaps better than most why they have a bad name.

IN MY OPINION I think you have good types and bad types as with every other cross section of the population. Sadly certain groups don’t endear themselves by trashing where ever they stay, stealing and generally being a PITA. Are all travellers like this? No, of course not.

The pagan festivals became larger and larger due to rave sound systems tagging along. The government and plod could no longer turn a blind eye so spent a small fortune stopping said festivals. New agers lost there reason for traveling.