Thursday 10th May 2012, Police protest march in London,

I edited to look at overtime. 😉
The second example works fine on first viewing. and there’s still 10 days up for overtime. The wastage comes if you employ a 17th to cover those 10 days.

ds – you need to think about shift work too. I think some of the marchers might be on nights, or just finished a run of 12s over the weekend.

Let them demonstrate at night then. 😆

For somone who has flounced twice you do seem to be posting a lot of rubbish on this thread. I would also appreciate it if you didnt make derogatory posts regarding my ability to do my job. If you wish to stoop to the level of making such posts I pity you and it appears you lack the ability to manage a debate.

Keep flouncing though, I like those posts, they are funny.

I apologise a_a.

For somone who has flounced twice you do seem to be posting a lot of rubbish on this thread.

Maybe not… 😆

The second example works fine on first viewing. and there’s still 10 days up for overtime. The wastage comes if you employ a 17th to cover those 10 days.

Yes, that would be silly. And the sums will never add up precisely.

But we seem to now agree that over the course of, say, a year, for the work of x amount of people to be achieved, x plus y amount of people need to be employed.

It’s been a pleasure, good night to you.

(I really am off to the pub now, my lift is here).

But we seem to now agree that over the course of, say, a year, for the work of x amount of people to be achieved, x plus y amount of people need to be employed.

And that’s what I’ve been saying, and if someone asks for a day off out of sync, there should be a problem and if there isn’t a problem there must be a surplus. And if there’s a surplus, we need to do the sums again. But as has been said, it’s a load of rubbish, innit? 😀
Enjoy the beer.

Don Simian used to work in the public sector and lost his job If I recall. He now lives in Spain and lashes out any time the public sector is involved.(I suspect because he is not involved in the public sector any more)Or maybe he is on crystal meth. Either would be a valid explanation IMO.

@Don Simon. Your writing skills have gone through a kind of transformation throughout the last three pages. Were you inebriated to start off with and won’t let it go out of fear of humiliation as you’ve argued yourself into an corner?

Your whole argument seems to be geared around getting rid of waste, in the form of excessive staffing, which will not be the case here. There are going to be actions all over the country on this day, not just the police taking a jolly down to the HofP to make their voice heard. The local police forces believe they have enough bodies to police these actions (now they’ve realise those they’ve been beating don’t start trouble when everyone smiles and shares boiled sweeties)

Hmm, I can feel a banner drop coming on. I think I still have one bedsheet left and a few aerosols. “Support our police marching on Parliament” or something like that will do.

Don Simian used to work in the public sector and lost his job If I recall. He now lives in Spain and lashes out any time the public sector is involved.(I suspect because he is not involved in the public sector any more)Or maybe he is on crystal meth. Either would be a valid explanation IMO.

Don Simian, now that would actually be quite funny except for one or two little errors on your part, I don’t and never have worked in the public sector, I do, however, get bored of the constant bleating I hear from tjis part of the employment world. I don’t live in Spain. I don’t lash out anytime the public sector is involved and I don’t do nor ever have done crystal meth, but don’t worry yourself about any of that.
mrdestructo, my argument always has been about waste and generally is with regard to the public sector. Anyone who claims the public sector is running efficiently is in denial. The financially cheapest is not necessarily the most efficient.

Your whole argument seems to be geared around getting rid of waste, in the form of excessive staffing, which will not be the case here.

I don’t think you can actually say that, unless you have documents aand as you can see from the thread, if you provide me with figures I’m happy to accept. But based on what Bregante said and the first example that Kenny gave, there is a clear argument for waste reduction in both public and private sector, sorry duckman- I don’t like waste in any business.
As Kenny and I have come to the same conclusion it would seem a little pontless trying to pick holes in what I’ve said.
Hoping you enjoy the rest of your bank holiday weekend. MUAK!

Its all being nicely lined up for sale of the police,

Traffic are now being split into regioanl groups, nice cars and seperate office,

Forensics = csi, a lot privatised,

traffic wardens, private in a lot of places,

Facilities management, privatised,

Custody, being slowly privatised,

PCSO,s ideal for privatisation,

Serious and organised crime, now soca,

Drug enforcement,amalgamated with customs,and privatised,

Call centres sold off and privatised, eg 999 calls,

Theft from homes, and buisnesses , investigated by insurance comapnies, below a certain level,

So that just leaves the disorder bit, that the governmnet will want to control quite strongly.

*Mouse thrown out of Pimlico window, several injured. *

project – Member

Its all being nicely lined up for sale of the police,

Traffic are now being split into regioanl groups, nice cars and seperate office,

Forensics = csi, a lot privatised,

traffic wardens, private in a lot of places,

Facilities management, privatised,

Custody, being slowly privatised,

PCSO,s ideal for privatisation,

Serious and organised crime, now soca,

Drug enforcement,amalgamated with customs,and privatised,

Call centres sold off and privatised, eg 999 calls,

Theft from homes, and buisnesses , investigated by insurance comapnies, below a certain level,

So that just leaves the disorder bit, that the governmnet will want to control quite strongly.

This should make your blood boil project :

Guantánamo Bay contractor on shortlist to run UK police services

A US Pentagon contractor that was involved in building Guantánamo Bay is on a shortlist of private consortiums bidding for a £1.5bn contract to run key policing services in the West Midlands and Surrey.

But wait, it gets better. The former chief executive of Kellogg Brown & Root is in prison serving two and a half years for bribery. KBR has admitted paying £110m in bribes to Nigerian officials to win contracts.

Think the “Foreign Corrupt Practices Act” is a U.S. Issue? Think Again![/url]

Last February the former chief executive of KBR, Inc. was sentenced to 30 months in prison for his role in a massive, decade-long scheme to bribe Nigerian government officials to win $6 billion in contracts for development of the Bonny Island liquefied natural gas facility.

I don’t know how the Guardian article managed to miss that little gem – clearly people might be interested in the fact that a company which is bidding for policing contracts has a record of criminal activity, quite apart from the fact that it help build a torture centre.

Think the “Foreign Corrupt Practices Act” is a U.S. Issue?

If you do, you’re an idiot with no understanding of global anti-corruption legislation and the rather normal existence of extra-territoriality of said legislation.

FFS….double post edit AGAIN! Sorry.

The bottom line is that those who are in charge of the western world are evil b@st@rds or the minions of.

To all the police officers reading this, if this is their attitude towards you and you are an essential mechanism in their governance of this country, that is to say without you they cannot rule!

Then what is their attitude towards everyday expendable people? what you see and how they treat you will be 10x better than how they treat other people.

The longer evil people rule this world, the darker a place it will become!

Now they know how the miners felt. Karma innit?

You really should be very worried about the cuts this government is making in the police service
It’s not all about pensions and pay, it’s about us running round like blue arsed flies trying to reduce crime, protect peoples property erc etc etc without the resources to do so
Chief constables are directed by the govt to get the message out that the police service to the public won’t get any worse, and the police officers that are being cut wont make a difference
It will make a difference, police officers are under immense pressure to deliver, and certainly in GMP we can no longer do the job we are expected to do
There are not enough police officers any more, and it will get much worse if the govt has their wat
But hey, we are only a bunch if power hungry thugs who beat up innocent members of the public, so why should we care
I got up at 0400 for the march in London, spent 6 hours on a coach, marched, got back on the coach, spent another 7 hours getting home, all on my rest day
That’s how much I care!,

Bregante – Member

I’m not attending as staffing levels do not allow it I’m happy to let others do my protesting for me.
Bizzies eh?

Just holding the fort dd

You have a Police Fort – cool!
All we have a piddly little Stations. 😀

The Police have some of the highest pension provision in the public sector.
Perhaps if they agreed to a slight reduction in the pension and lump sum payoffs on the condition that the government used that money to increase police numbers.
Thats increase police numbers,not buy luxury cars to patrol in.

MM Joeegg do you pay 11% into your pension.. about to increase to 13% no I bet you don’t!!!

tell me what luxury cars we patrol in? TVP has Vauxhall Astra’s 1.2 shite diesel..imagine pursuing someone in that!! MMM luxury I don’t think so.

If i paid 13% of my wage into a private pension i would be lucky to see a quarter of the pension paid to the police.And what about the lump sum?
There isn’t a pension pot of money,public sector pensions are paid for out of tax revenue.
How many years do you have to be in the police to qualify for full pension and lump sum?
A lot of officers collect this then get jobs afterwards,meaning one less job in the private sector.
We have a massive gap between public and private sector pensions and i believe this has to be addressed.Not by reducing public sector pensions but looking at the way investment and insurance companies work in the private sector.

When the police pension started 70 odd years ago all the money paid in by police officers should have been invested
This would have multiplied over the next 30 years, before there were any payouts and he resulting profits would have paid for pensions
What did the Govts do, spend the money, so now they have a massive black hole in the pensions fund
Now I started in the police 22 years ago, I was told by my employer that the police pensions scheme was the best I could get anywhere, don’t opt out.
All of a sudden with 8 years to go, I am told that my pension contributions will increase, I will be working another 5 years until I get my pension, and that the scheme is changing so I work longer, pay more and get less.
AND because the police don’t have the right to strike they can do what they want and we have to take it up the shhitter
Well watch this space people, don’t think we will be taking much more, soon we will be balloting for strike action, if the result of the ballot states we want the right to strike, the federation will make a case to the european courts for us to have the right to strike.
If that ever happens it will be a sad day for this country, and a sad day for most cops in this country
All that is a long way off, but the Govt is taking us to th e cleaners at the moment, and with the current cut in wages and conditions, cut to police numbers, morale is at an all time low in the police.The criminals will be having a field day, and that means stealing from the likes of me and you

The police are being boned up the arse, just like everyone else the public sector.

It needs to be said again to those who work for private companies; we are not like you. Entwined in our need to work is a desire to actively contribute to a better society. For that commitment we take slightly less home and have to endure more bullshit. In return we’d appreciate our pensions not to be raped to pay off the mistakes of an unregulated banking sector that stands for everything that is corrupt and wrong with our society. Ok? 😉

64 per year pension, with an additional 380k tax free lump sum.

Perhaps you should look closer to home regards where your pension fund money has gone?

Interstingly govt are introducing the ban on industrial action on SOCA operational staff when the NCA starts up .

joeegg – Member

The Police have some of the highest pension provision in the public sector.
Perhaps if they agreed to a slight reduction in the pension and lump sum payoffs ……

joeegg – Member

We have a massive gap between public and private sector pensions and i believe this has to be addressed.Not by reducing public sector pensions but…….

OK, I freely admit that I might not be the sharpest pencil in the box, but I fail to understand how you can argue for both a reduction and not a reduction in police pensions.

I have to say that the government’s strategy of pitting private sector workers against public sector workers appears to be going rather well.

Suckers.

I have to say that the government’s strategy of pitting private sector workers against public sector workers appears to be going rather well.

How exactly have they managed this? It would seems very clever to be able to cause a split when treating both sides in the same way, wouldn’t it?

It would seems very clever to be able to cause a split when treating both sides in the same way, wouldn’t it?

The government is carrying out draconian cuts in the private sector and throwing hundreds of thousands of private sector workers onto the dole queue ?

Well that’s certainly not getting the publicity it ought to be getting.

joeegg – Member

There isn’t a pension pot of money,public sector pensions are paid for out of tax revenue.

Just out of curiosity, do you think this is unacceptable only when there may be a deficit, or is it also a problem when there’s a surplus and the pension payments go into the public purse?

The government is carrying out draconian cuts in the private sector and throwing hundreds of thousands of private sector workers onto the dole queue ?

And the private sector has resulted in thousands of private sector workers on to the dole queue.
How is this pitting one against the other?
The only problem I can see is how the individuals deal with the problem, some accept and get on with things, others bleat like little babies about how unfair it is. Otherwise we’re all in the same boat.

others bleat like little babies about how unfair it is

Is that what they’re doing ?

Perhaps they should do as bankers and financiers did when they got themselves in a sticky spot – and caused the greatest economic crises in almost a hundred years…….MTFU, award themselves a 20% payrise, and get on with it.

Otherwise we’re all in the same boat.

And don’t you forget it.

Perhaps they should do as bankers and financiers did when they got themselves in a sticky spot – and caused the greatest economic crises in almost a hundred years…….MTFU, award themselves a 20% payrise, and get on with it.

In your attempt to pit the private sector against the public sector, you are failing quite miserably. I’m surprised that you consider that a few bankers are a fair representation of the private sector as a whole. I’m also quite sure that there are more than a few private sector workers/unemployed who’d agree and would say that these bankers are in the minority and at the extreme. you even seem to have forgotten that the money and profit driven shareholders are rejecting the fat cat bonuses that bosses are trying to award themselves.
If there is any battling between public and private it isn’t because of the bankers.
Disappointing ernesto.

Perhaps they should do as bankers and financiers did when they got themselves in a sticky spot – and caused the greatest economic crises in almost a hundred years…….MTFU, award themselves a 20% payrise, and get on with it.

Of course, every single person who worked at said banks was a high-rollin’, Bentley drivin’, bonus bankin’ toff, weren’t they? They all got a nice pay rise and a bonus. Hardly any of them lost their jobs.

Apparently.

In your attempt to pit the private sector against the public sector, you are failing quite miserably.

ernie_lynch – Member

Perhaps they should do as bankers and financiers did when they got themselves in a sticky spot – and caused the greatest economic crises in almost a hundred years…….MTFU, award themselves a 20% payrise, and get on with it.

Yep, that’s what I did, when I was a banker- it was all caviar and laughing at the poor. No wait, actually I got laid off.

I got laid off.

Well it seems you screwed up mate. You should’ve got yourself an important job in a bank, you know, one of them jobs what requires important decisions to be made. Like the bank’s policies – big responsibilities that come with big salaries.

Of course there’s also big risks. But if ever the shit hits the fan you just MTFU, award yourself a 20% payrise, and get on with it. Not “bleat like little babies about how unfair it is”.

Average City Pay Rises To £83k, Managing Directors Enjoy 21% Increase

Not “bleat like little babies about how unfair it is”.

Ernesto, you’re AWESOME. 😆

No DS……..YOU are awesome !