There's no smoke without…..Farah?

Top athletics coach Alberto Salazar faces doping claims

Allegations made about the goings on between a top athletics coach and his number 2 athlete. Yep, nothing suspect there.. at… all…

their is not even an allegation that Mo doped it is all about the institution

Granted its suspicious but they clearly have no evidence or witness to claim Mo has doped never mind a guilty decision

“Wells denies the allegations and insists hard work and new training methods at the time were the secret to his success” 😆

….so spread on number of nice homegrown (white?) athletes on BBC1 tonight at 21:00. Ok jenks aside (long memories)

0 – 2 ?

Any golden girls or boys or are we all clean?

Oh well, kicks off with one. Stromba Wells – really? Will we get any golden girls?

Allegations made about the goings on between a top athletics coach and his number 2 athlete. Yep, nothing suspect there.. at… all…

Just look at the number of Jamaican sprinters on the juice. Of course, it’s far easier to go after ancient(ish) history rather than look at the present.

At a time when Gatlin and co are still allowed to run, and post frankly astonishing times, after drugs bans, surely it would be better to focus such efforts on now, not then.

So the passport system gets busted by a DIY doper on Internet gear, not surprising the pro dopers with their in house sports science teams can get those incremental gains and an “all clear” from the testers 😕

Wow, this is dynamite

depressing 😐

EPO test very interesting. 7% gain from a little use (smug though my vo2 max was still greater than the epo’d journo…)

Very dodgy ground. No direct evidence and plenty of innuendo, despite the statement to camera at the end suggesting they weren’t accusing Mo of anything. How that got lawyered I have no idea.

I was unlucky enough to have Alan,and even worse Margo Wells as fitness coaches at London Scottish rugby. Fantastic the pair of them,in a brutal 100% focussed way.

I’ll bet you’re glad that was in a clean sport like rugby then.

They should all be allowed to use drugs to see how far they can push human mutation in sport.

A bit like seeing Marvel comics in real with bulky muscle and the like then keep track of their health condition throughout their lives.

They should have several categories of similar sport like for heavy doping category, light and clean etc.

Bunch of bloody zombie entertainers they are …

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I’m going back to snowboarding and kitrsurfing….

bbc1… distance running finally outted and on bbc2 Tough Mudder sados

Do you think they should have avoided mentioning Mo at all and just left the suspicion hanging? Not sure how else to report all the evidence they did have, and they made it as clear as they possibly could that there was no evidence at all of Mo doping.

Hmm http://www.usada.org/category/sanction/snowboarding/

This is no surprise to me. It’s common knowledge that Salazar has negotiated all sorts of TUIs (therapeutic use exemptions) for thyroid and asthma drugs for his athletes for many years.

Sadly, there’s more smoke around Mo.

Mo Farah could face questions from the IAAF after appearing in pictures taken during a recent training camp in Ethiopia with shamed drug cheat Hamza Driouch.

Farah was taking part in a seven-week training camp at the start of the year before he returned to competitive action in Birmingham last weekend, breaking the indoor two-mile world record in the process. However, in updating his fans with regular posts and photographs from the camp, he revealed that one of those with him in Africa was Driouch, who is currently serving a two-year ban from competition.

it cant be true. only cyclists take drugs and anyway British athletes never test positive

Thoroughly depressing I agree. Whether Farrah is or not, what it shows is that most top level sport is quite frankly a farce now. You don’t know who (if any) are straight.

midlifecrashes – Member
I’ll bet you’re glad that was in a clean sport like rugby then

Well in an amateur sport in the 90’s I averaged more than one test a season and two players were tested every week,but don’t let that stop you.

They should have several categories of similar sport like for heavy doping category, light and clean etc.

Which still wouldn’t work as you’d get doping athletes competing in the clean category.

So someone banned from competing isn’t allowed to train? Don’t go to that camp Mo, that’s where the bad boys go.

FFS, last I checked being near someone isn’t enough to get doped.

FFS, last I checked being near someone isn’t enough to get doped.

But associating with a banned athlete as an Olympic champion shows poor judgment and arguably a ‘relaxed’ attitude to doping akin to a politician socialising with dodgy business men.

…and arguably a ‘relaxed’ attitude to doping akin to a politician socialising with dodgy business men.

Good comparison, and it’s not just socialising but being under their guidance on a daily basis – Go Mo, Go…

duckman – Member
midlifecrashes – Member
I’ll bet you’re glad that was in a clean sport like rugby then

Well in an amateur sport in the 90’s I averaged more than one test a season and two players were tested every week,but don’t let that stop you.

I’ll just leave this here. http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/current-violations/

Most of those currently serving a ban are from either code of the oval ball game.

#microdose

I’m not going to defend Farah, I do not know anything about it, and I can’t say I have any patriotic attachment/love for him or his achievemnets.

But in defence of good thinking, I would like to say I despise the phrase “there is no smoke without fire” . What utter horseshit, it is used by peiople to make accusations without any evidence and justify their own prejudice. It is the vilest street gossip and whispering.

Show me actual evidence, not circumstantial or any other weasel word bollocks, then we can accuse an athelete. Meanwhile-stick to the facts.

Do you think they should have avoided mentioning Mo at all and just left the suspicion hanging? Not sure how else to report all the evidence they did have, and they made it as clear as they possibly could that there was no evidence at all of Mo doping.

The thread title is a perfect illustration of the innuendo that a British viewer would be expected to draw from the content of the documentary.

Plenty of decent pieces of investigative journalism never see the light of day because there isn’t quite enough evidence to get them to the point where they could be proven in a libel case.

You don’t just have to potentially prove a straight allegation of wrongdoing, but also any innuendo of wrongdoing you create with your reporting.

In the context of the Alan Wells material and the discussion of microdosing leading up to the Salazar segment, there is IMO clear innuendo aimed at Mo in a prime time programme aimed squarely at a British audience who for the most part will never have heard of Jupp or Salazar.

If the BBC were asked in court to prove the allegation within the innuendo, the arse-covering statement at the end about ‘no evidence’ will not cut the mustard. They will have to prove something for which they, at best, have only ‘guilt by association’ evidence, which is fundamentally worthless.

hmmm, my take on the Mo thing was that’s it’s an athlete’s responsibility to make sure he’s training and living in a world that as far removed from PEDs as far as is possible. Salazar has some questions to answer. If I were Mo I’d be releasing press saying “I’m removing myself from this environment until it’s proved/not proved”

If he doesn’t, then to my eyes that’s analogous to Armstrong/Ferrari.

But in defence of good thinking, I would like to say I despise the phrase “there is no smoke without fire”

+++ Spot on, it’s a horrible phrase. Totally agree with @dbcooper here.

So will Mo Farrah be referred to as a Somalian now to distance him from UK athletics ?

Show me actual evidence

There was, People witnessed him using Testosterone Cream, and Salazar was coaching Galen Rupp, and making sure he was taking PEDs at 16.

If I was a bit of a bigoted old fart, who’s not racist but…I’d probably have always thought of him as Somalian and not a proper Brit.

I do think its quite naïve to think a clean athlete at the top of the sport can beat a cheating one – especially with all the experts helping them cheat.

People witnessed him using Testosterone Cream

who? farah? That was not mentioned?

Show me actual evidence, not circumstantial or any other weasel word bollocks, then we can accuse an athelete.

Trouble is, Lance Armstrong kept going strong on that for years. First, he wasn’t seeing Michele Ferrari. Then he was, but just for vitamins. Dr Celaya got replaced as doctor by Dr Del Moral because Del Moral was better at “nutrition” or whatever.

There wasn’t any “actual evidence” that Armstrong was doping for a decade after David Walsh first insinuated there was a problem: just lots and lots of circumstantial evidence that, looking back, looks pretty damning.

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Farah was completely out of sorts upto 2010, then he joined up with Salazar and there was a remarkable improvement in his performances. This can happen just as an athlete hits form naturally, but the Salazar connection is worrying.

“I’m removing myself from this environment until it’s proved/not proved”

If he doesn’t, then to my eyes that’s analogous to Armstrong/Ferrari.

Thats rubbish. Salazar has a reputation as one of the finest long distance coaches in the world and his reputation as an athlete is incredible. I grew up watching and reading about him he was formidable. Should he give that up at this stage on hearsay?