The trial of Anders Breivik

The ‘war on terror’ if it really were a war it wouldn’t have been that difficult to win now would it?

Why is that exactly ?

Utter genius! I bet you’ve even missed the irony of that clip haven’t you? You really couldn’t make it up 😆

derekrides – Member

“Lifer – Member

What tosh.”

Sorry chap you are wrong, fear is what drives all governments of left or right persuasion, it is fundamental to their existence, dates right back to feudalism. It also drives economies, it is driving our economy right now, do you really think we are at that huge a risk of terrorism at our airports for example.

So not the ‘Socialist Society Leftist way’?

I reckon they are two new Elfin identities.

He might not have been to everyone’s taste, but please, credit him with a little more intelligence…
(edit) And can we have more tiger based solutions, please.

Once again the Big Hitters flounce in to ruin what could have been an interesting thread rather than the usual hair pulling handbag slinging nonsense it becomes.

A lot of mountain bikes getting dusty in garages

9-11 essentially ended Irish terrorism

No, it didn’t. Good Friday agreement and the decade of unglamorous negotiations with and between terrorists did, followed by the terrorists’ political wings absolutely nuking their support bases with ineptitude in government and splittism.

Edit: and it certainly wasn’t cutting off (cough) the oxygen of publicity from Gerry Adams, having closed Diplock Courts, internment (imprisonment without trial) and allowing the police to bang up people who “obviously done it” (Guildford 4, Birmingham 6) that did it!

Lifer – Member

So not the ‘Socialist Society Leftist way’?

Well if I’m not mistaken Norway is a Socialist Society is it not? I could be wrong, but were the kids killed not members of the very leftist party our esteemed and now famous ‘hero’ eliminated? Ironical they now want to try and ‘understand’ him, such is the naivety of the ‘left’ in matters such as this.

Now I’m not saying the ‘right’ are not equally bad ( in truth I have a tendency toward anarchy personally, I think in this enlightened and better informed electronic age it could serve us better than our current Governmental systems) but they do things slightly differently and I wouldn’t be so crass or insult your intelligence by suggesting the difference to you, I’m sure you are already very aware.

I could be wrong, but were the kids killed not members of the very leftist party our esteemed and now famous ‘hero’ eliminated? Ironical they now want to try and ‘understand’ him, such is the naivety of the ‘left’ in matters such as this.

Why is it ironic? They are simply bigger, better people than some halfwit with a gun, no matter how much you admire him.

derekrides – Member
Well if I’m not mistaken Norway is a Socialist Society is it not? I could be wrong, but were the kids killed not members of the very leftist party our esteemed and now famous ‘hero’ eliminated? Ironical they now want to try and ‘understand’ him, such is the naivety of the ‘left’ in matters such as this.

He didn’t ‘eliminate’ them he ‘killed’ them.
Why is it ironic that they want to ‘understand’ him?

Or rather why are you so against people trying to learn something from this tragedy that could prevent something similar happening again?

Ironical they now want to try and ‘understand’ him, such is the naivety of the ‘left’ in matters such as this

So just to be clear – in this case the dudes referred to above who actually went through being shot at and having their neighbours killed are the naive ones, and you’re the well-informed one?

No, it didn’t. Good Friday agreement and the decade of unglamorous negotiations with and between terrorists did, followed by the terrorists’ political wings absolutely nuking their support bases with ineptitude in government and splittism.

I know that negotiations were well under way and that the Good Friday agreement had done a lot of the groundwork but the IRA were still procrastinating over decomissioning their weapons.

After 9-11 all but the most vehement of hardliners knew that the gun had to finally be removed from Irish politics. Terrorism was the dirtiest word on the planet at the time and this and the fact that the IRA’s North American funding stream was effectively over brought the peace process in Ireland to a faster swifter resolution than it would have otherwise.

But this is all a bit OT

BigButSlimmerBloke – Member

Why is it ironic? They are simply bigger, better people than some halfwit with a gun.

Well there once again I have to say is where we shall have to beg to differ.

“oh he’s killed some of us and our kids.. lets try to understand him and why…” FFS and that’s not the blackest irony? Or is that just plain naive. I’m not going to say stupid, I’m assuming it is grief warping the judgement of whomever it was that gave that quote, I’m sure whoever it was there are four or five times more who would simply shoot the fecker on sight.

I think Norway is showing remarkable dignity in the way they are handling this terrible affair.

If we (and by this I mean European nations) want to see an end to white supremacism and people signing up to extreme right wing philosophies, then we need to understand why these people come to think and believe what they do. Is it that it appeals to people who are already a bit unhinged (like Breivik possibly is) or does the participation in it unhinge people and make them start thinking stuff like it’s OK to massacre people who don’t believe the same thing? There’s a lot of brainwashing particularly of young people that goes on in these sort of groups.

they want to prevent it happening again Derek why is that stupid?
Your assessment of what they want to do is a lazy and stupid caricature of their goal and even you know this.They want to prevent it happening again and believe the best way of doing this is to understand his motives. It may not work but it is more likely to work than your throw him out a 3 rd story window approach.

I’m sure whoever it was there are four or five times more who would simply shoot the fecker on sight.

this thread has not dented your conviction that your view is the majority one ? 😯

konabunny – Member
So just to be clear – in this case the dudes referred to above who actually went through being shot at and having their neighbours killed are the naive ones, and you’re the well-informed one?

Stockholm Syndrome or some variant, ironical it is their close neighbours that gave title to that psychological phenomenon. Mixtures of grief, guilt at survival, Lord knows what’s going on in their heads, not straight thinking that’s for sure.

“oh he’s killed some of us and our kids.. lets try to understand him and why…” FFS and that’s not the blackest irony? Or is that just plain naive. I’m not going to say stupid, I’m assuming it is grief warping the judgement of whomever it was that gave that quote, I’m sure whoever it was there are four or five times more who would simply shoot the fecker on sight.

They’re just better, more rational people than you.

Or perhpas the fact that they have not had their values distorted by decades of right wing press revelling in scary stories allows themto see it all a little more clearly.

Norway has a very different and much more successful ethos in its criminal justice system.

Just maybe its you thats out of step here Derek?

But please continue its rather amusing

Well there once again I have to say is where we shall have to beg to differ.

Don’t have to beg, you’re wrong, I’d say get used to it, but I’ll guess you already are

What about sharks? Or dolphins. Feeding him to some sharks is a bit unimaginative, unless you did it in a sort of ironic 70’s James Bond film way and had a trapdoor in the courtroom, that dropped him into a pool below. Then you could just hear his cries. But even that would look to Austin Powers maybe?

How about dolphins? The American military trained dolphins to deploy limpet mines. Surely its not that much of a leap to train them to use machine guns. Ones that work underwater. You can get those, can’t you? If not, you should! Anyway…. they could release him into a fjord and give him 10 minutes head start on the dolphins with machine guns, and film it all from a mini-sub and a helicopter. Then the footage could be edited, speeded up and released on youtube with the Benny Hill music as accompaniment. I’d watch that. The Norwegian justice system needs to get with the fricking programme. Its 2012 FFS!!!

But please continue its rather amusing getting to be hilarious

FIFY

Stockholm Syndrome or some variant, ironical it is their close neighbours that gave title to that psychological phenomenon. Mixtures of grief, guilt at survival, Lord knows what’s going on in their heads, not straight thinking that’s for sure.

Au contraire Derek

binners, imagination did you say?

In Ancient Rome, Cicero defended a man accused of patricide. Cicero failed and the man was found guilty and received this punishment. He was sewn into a leather sack with a cockrel and a dog, then thrown into the Tiber.

BTW is ironic-al any relation to cynic-al?

Anyway… Hippo’s? They can be right moody buggers apparently. Especially when they’re not covered in mud. What about some kind of mud-deprived hippo-releated judicial sanction?

Junkyard – Member
they want to prevent it happening again Derek why is that stupid?

derekrides – Member
I’m not going to say stupid,

Junkyard you have already demonstrated lack of the ability to grasp the meanings of my posts before resulting in a ban for me I believe, now you may be a ‘big hitter’ here, but frankly I don’t think you have the intelligence necessary to discuss stuff like this without getting upset or insulting to those you disagree with, so you will excuse me for making this the last post of yours I reply to, thanks just the same.

Stockholm Syndrome or some variant, ironical it is their close neighbours that gave title to that psychological phenomenon. Mixtures of grief, guilt at survival, Lord knows what’s going on in their heads, not straight thinking that’s for sure.

well as that refers to kidnap victims it would indeed need to be some variant..as you seem a an expert on psychological matters would you care to name the one you are making upreferring to?

why is it ironical ?

Junkyard you have already demonstrated lack of the ability to grasp the meanings of my posts before resulting in a ban for me I believe,

ah right so it was my fault you got banned ?

now you may be a ‘big hitter’ here, but frankly I don’t think you have the intelligence necessary to discuss stuff like this without getting upset or insulting to those you disagree with,

Then I would get banned and I am in no sense getting upset here or having a flounce am i derek…now that is indeed irony…Bless

so you will excuse me for making this the last post of yours I reply to, thanks just the same.

its not really a reply it’s a refusal to reply. Surely you can support your view with just the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play? 😛

Mixtures of grief, guilt at survival, Lord knows what’s going on in their heads, not straight thinking that’s for sure.

Do you spend much time practising your debating technique on tins of paint?
And what’s your win rate?

derekrides – Member
I’m not going to say stupid,

you should, and remember to look in the mirror before you do

“Stockholm Syndrome or some variant,” not even slightly right.

Norway as a fair democratic country charges a killer with murder, he as is anyones right, pleads not guilty so goes on trial. Some of his victims being mature rational humans think that lessons to prevent the tragedy reoccouring may come out of the trial process.

How can this be “not straight thinking ” Where as randomly killing people down dark alleys cos you know they deserve it is ok ??

llamas? Death by spitting?

frankly I don’t think you have the intelligence necessary to discuss stuff like this without getting upset or insulting to those you disagree with

you disagre with me therefore you’re thick + you disagree with me therefore it’s insulting = welcome back paddedrudefred

How about a goog old fashioned ravaging by the bi-curious islamic swan? Entertaining and ironical!

Llamas binners? cruel and unusual punishment surely.

I prefer the dropping of an ACME anvil

dose up ona lot of stimulants
force the miscreant to sit through THe Only way Is essex non-stop, no adverts, on a loop for a year
chuck him him out naked into camp of travelers

Straight thinking should have had him shot at the sight – end of, that is my opinion and nothing you folk, big hitter, small hitter or fluffy bunnikins lefty love everybody spanker, will do or say can change that.

Circular arguments to swerve the discussion don’t do it either, it is a plain fact, that giving that psycho the platform and the notoriety he has gained by this does not serve their case of preventing similar actions well, however you dress it and if you think it does, then good for you, clearly you are in good company.

As I said, I beg to differ and it is my opinion, damn I’m not even trying to alter your views, accept mine and have an end to it.

I’m liking your thinking uncle Jezza. There’s scope there for the involvement of Acme Rocket powered roller skates and a tunnel entrance painted onto a rock face

Like it. 🙂

Accept your views and have an end to it?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm – I believe Hitler used to use similar language. Surely I can’t be the first person to mention Hitler on this thread. Can I? I think I might be? Tsk! Its gone to the dogs around here nowadays 🙄

in truth I have a tendency toward anarchy personally

No $hit Sherlock

derekrides – Member
Straight thinking should have had him shot at the sight – end of, that is my opinion and nothing you folk, big hitter, small hitter or fluffy bunnikins lefty love everybody spanker

What were you saying about intelligence to discuss without insults?

Llamas binners? cruel and unusual punishment surely.

I prefer the dropping of an ACME anvil

Or dress him as female panda and force him to endure the clumsy advances of the male panda’s inept attempts to procreate.

Lets face it its no more than the evil b@st@rd deserves