The trial of Anders Breivik

konabunny – Member
I’ve voted SNP and Lib Dem for years as it happens, it’s only after the left have demonstrated their full capability over the past decade and a bit that I swung a little further to the right and went against everything I ever judged as fair and reasonable and voted Tory…
My political views are not part of this

Of course not – what could possibly be considered more open to the application of impartial logic and less political then deciding whether the state is entitled to kill people who commit politically-motivated crimes?
But joking apart, I thought the bit where you suggested your track record of voting for the Tartan Tories and the Lib Dems (currently in coalition with the Tories) as demonstrating your former leftist sympathies was hilarious. Peter Capaldi move over, there’s a new satirist in town!

😳 Awfully sorry about that 😳

Typo SNP = SDP, The gang of four that became the Dem bit of the then Liberal party.

I’m not Scottish nor have any sympathy with that horrendous Salmond fella..

It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.

So how many is “mass” 3, 5 10, 50? Who decides and who tells the mother of a murdered child that their child’s life was worth less because it didn’t fit the quota?

It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.

I see.

And what defines “mass termination”? How many people would you have to be accused of murdering before you get put to death without trial?

binners – Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
Why? Because you said so?

No binners, because the inability to decipher ‘right from wrong’ is commonly held as a personality disorder last time I looked and I believe human life and the continued right to it, even for you and other single speed riding lycra boys who bivi in the same sleeping bag is fundamental to the human condition.

I’m not Scottish nor have any sympathy with that horrendous Salmond fella..

Given your views thats not exactly surprising

Anyway back OT

Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Derek? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment.

I believe human life and the continued right to it, even for you and other single speed riding lycra boys who bivi in the same sleeping bag is fundamental to the human condition.

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are you confessing to a personality disorder as you seem to want to terminate someones life and therefor eit appears to me you cannot decipher ‘right from wrong’
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Do we wait for you to kill somone before we kill you or would that be illogical? Should we just kill you now in a pre emptive way to save lifes?
Which is the more logical approach ?
Please tell me I am hand wringning about this as I type

Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Derek? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment.

richmtb wins for Gandalfing the thread.

inability to decipher ‘right from wrong’ is commonly held as a personality disorder last time I looked

you’re wrong = you must be mental – is that what you’re saying?

It is a fundamental human right to live and not be terminated before your due time in a fashion like this

..unless of course you decide that right doesn’t apply. I’m not sure how manage fit logic into this, because I can’t really see anything that would fit even the broadest definition of the term.

It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.

The irony I am finding in your proposal is that the very people that were harmed by Breivik are the people who hold the kind of “leftist” views of “tolerance and acceptance” you seem to be advocating are detrimental to society.

Apparently he is not happy with the influx of immigrants into the country especially in the past 20 odd years … like a bit of a shock to the system. You know overdose of immigrants.

UK is traditionally an immigrants nation so not a shock to the system but Norway is different.

This is the statistic …

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Apparently the documentary about him last night talked about 25% immigrant population … wow … that is a lot for a small nation.

So all those talks about cultural diversity and integration … I wonder if these are necessary? Is it wrong not to integrate?

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MSP – Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
So how many is “mass” 3, 5 10, 50? Who decides and who tells the mother of a murdered child that their child’s life was worth less because it didn’t fit the quota?

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GrahamS – Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
I see.

And what defines “mass termination”? How many people would you have to be accused of murdering before you get put to death without trial?

Not my decision, how many do you think is fair? Say more than half a dozen?

Don’t you see the logic if it were automatic? I seriously don’t understand folk who don’t get this.

If there is absolutely no doubt, no question the mass killer is stood there with an empty magazine and bodies lying all around, women, children, why prolong the angst with long drawn out deliberation, surely that serves as more pain and suffering for the relatives.. If there is absolutely no doubt, it should be an auto response.

littlemisspanda – Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
The irony I am finding in your proposal is that the very people that were harmed by Breivik are the people who hold the kind of “leftist” views of “tolerance and acceptance” you seem to be advocating are detrimental to society.

I’ve got to stop this now, it’s going nowhere.

But the answer to that surely is an element of Darwinism, right wing gunman mows down leftwing youth and the Left try rehabilitation as an answer..

Clearly I’m in the minority here, I accept all your views and have to beg to differ..

derekrides – Member

littlemisspanda – Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
The irony I am finding in your proposal is that the very people that were harmed by Breivik are the people who hold the kind of “leftist” views of “tolerance and acceptance” you seem to be advocating are detrimental to society.

I’ve got to stop this now, it’s going nowhere.

But the answer to that surely is an element of Darwinism, right wing gunman mows down leftwing youth and the Left try rehabilitation as an answer..

Clearly I’m in the minority here, I accept all your views and have to beg to differ..

Chairman Mao has the solution … How many million people do you say? He is the greatest. 🙄

Clearly I’m in the minority here,

Often happens when you’re in the wrong.

Not my decision, how many do you think is fair? Say more than half a dozen?

Okay so what do you say to the mother of a child whose killer gets a trial and jail sentence because, although he kidnapped, tortured and killed her child – it was just one? Or even just six?

If there is absolutely no doubt, no question the mass killer is stood there with an empty magazine and bodies lying all around, women, children…

How often do these situations occur exactly? 😕

And even then, do you really want to dispense with trial?

So if the accused claims they were one of the intended victims that managed to fight back to kill the attacker, that should be roundly ignored and they should be quickly put to death without trial?

Don’t you see the logic if it were automatic? I seriously don’t understand folk who don’t get this.

I seriously don’t understand people who see the world in such black and white absolute terms.

because the inability to decipher ‘right from wrong’ is commonly held as a personality disorder last time I looked

Despite the best efforts of a catholic education, I’ve been known to struggle with it from time to time. Does your homicidal urge to punish transgressors of your simple moral code extend only to mass murderers? Or will it apply to rapists too? shoplifters?

seriously don’t understand people who see the world in such black and white absolute terms.

TJ TO THE FORUM 😛

Oh and Derek…. well done! You’ve managed to out-Hora Hora. I didn’t think it was possible. Are you related? Do you look like this….

It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.

These guys are in trouble, then.

richmtb wins for Gandalfing the thread.

I’m normally against indiscriminate verbing of nouns, that that’s genius. (-:

oh good a circular argument

Hi! You must be new here.

I’m normally against indiscriminate verbing of nouns, that that’s genius. (-:

As was that cougar 😉 I hope it was intentional! Genius x2 plus an extra mark for context and subtlety

I hope it was intentional!

*nods* Well spotted. (-:

An interesting statistic that I read today compares the percentage of recidivist prisoners released in the UK with Norway.

U.K: 50-60%

Norway: 10%

On the face of it, the “soft” Norwegian philosophy seems to get the better results, despite the accusations of “daft leftie” (sic) banded about here and elsewhere…

There’s often the argument that rehabilitation is better than punishment, but now there’s a chance to watch the process actually being attempted with what is arguably the very worst sort of offender.

Interesting.

Mrs Toast – Member

Will he be locked up for life? I though the max jail term in Norway was 21 years, even for murder?

EDIT: Just double checked, 21 is the standard ‘life’ sentence, but it can be 30 years for terrorism, or indefinite if it can be proved that the criminal is an ongoing threat.

He’s looking at 70 life sentences though isn’t he? 1470 years.

Don’t they run such things concurrently rather than consecutively?

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Quick google confirms that a)93 life sentences and b)Norway does indeed run them concurrently.

An interesting statistic that I read today compares the percentage of recidivist prisoners released in the UK with Norway.

Does anyone mind if I finish my work before STW breaks the Internet by all googling Recidivist at once.

BigButSlimmerBloke – Member
Clearly I’m in the minority here,

Often happens when you’re in the wrong.

Not really a problem when you’re surrounded by folk who have to ask stuff like

“Why did my seat stem break at the point I centre punched it”
“How do I kill a pidgeon ?”
“My wife/boyfriend is banging someone else what should I do?”
“Why does my beard stink when I’ve been bivi-ing?”
“Why do I keep breaking stuff when I come off in my SPD’s?”
“Why do people think I look like a cock in my yellow lycra?”

He’s pleaded not guilty/saying he acted in self-defence.

He was protesting at the immigration of Europe.. At a Norwegian rite of passage of natives to Norway?

He’s either abit simple or a unhinged mentally ill murderer.

Just watched him on the six o’clock news, gave a right wing salute to the court, he is loving all this.

He’s now the most famous Norwegian, probably the most famous Norwegian in the world today, y’all probably couldn’t name the Premier of Norway without googling it, he’s the most infamous Norwegian since Quisling and of similar status.

Now if my plan had been followed at the time, he’d have been long forgotten by now..

He’s now the most famous Norwegian

NOT…

Shut up now derek, you’re not even entertaining.

Now if my plan had been followed at the time, he’d have been long forgotten by now..

He’s not famous he’s infamous. I have no problem the world seeing what a horrid twisted human being he is, lets see the monsters that hide in our midst rather than pretending they don’t exist.

Thor Bjørklund is the most famous Norweigian.
He invented the cheese slicer.

Gunn-Rita Dahle Flesjå is also a favourite;

Just watched him on the six o’clock news, gave a right wing salute to the court, he is loving all this

put him in his cell, and ignore him. Edit, I don’t want to understand, I don’t want to learn why, and I don’t want to see TV programmes about him

I don’t care about him, i care about the people he killed and hurt

I can only think of the 100+ parents who suffer anquish on a daily basis. Their children executed by some random cock. Sorry if I don’t role out the need for a trial or due process.

His case is truly exceptional. At the very least someone should have stepped in and said ‘no’, at the least a vote in parliament on this person.

I’m not sure on the aspects of UK law but the Hungerford massacre. Would you be happy with his right to speak/day/twisted media day in court?

Yes 0 everyone gets their day in court. You cannot have any exceptions or where do you draw the line? so Hora – how do you decide who dies not get their day in court?