That Maxxis "babes calendar" article…

Its that kind of can do attitude that made this country great!

Gaaaawd bless her!

Of course you dont know what it means I was calling you a hypocrite as you keep doing what you say not to – ie dont play the man then you play the man. Not complicated, not even close.

Oh, is that what you were saying?

My mistake it was not an accident it was a deliberate polemic masquerading as an appeal for balance You have done what you are asking us not to do each post face palm pic here.

Because I honestly couldn’t figure out what you were trying to say. If you’re going to use clever words I don’t know could you at least set them out in legible sentences that don’t look as if a massive chunk has gone missing somewhere in the middle? Some punctuation and sentence structuring would be a good start.

How exactly was I playing the man other than pointing out that it’s exactly that thats been going on for the last umpteen pages rather than anymeaningful debate from numerous posters? I’m happy to debate the topic, it’s you who seems insistent on constantly bringing it back to me.

This is evidently going nowhere, argue amongst yourselves, as you were…

You’ve got to admire the mental fortitude of some of the people on this forum, holding their ground for 18 pages of argument

Hehehe.. you’re fairly new here.. this is nothing!

Can someone lend binners a shovel, I think he needs a hole digging a bit deeper

IF you say which if the word confused you I will be happy to clarify and i have already quoted you playing the man whilst telling us all not to.

Perhaps your own words confuse you as well?

I don’t have a problem with topless calendars or Miss World competitions. But I do have a problem with women being used in marketing in this way.
The most stupid comment in this entire thread was

most women don’t buy tyres of any kind, so a babes calendar for blokes is bang on target audience

Of course women buy tyres. Women also work in garages and watch motor sports. This sort of advertising says that I am not welcome.

IF you say which if the word confused you …

Start here!

There is definitely a big problem with comprehension of the English language in places here, not to mention a huge amount of presumptions based on what amounts to prejudice.

It would be quite fun for a proper psychologist to look at this thread, I’m willing to admit the report could be pretty uncomfortable reading – for quite a few people 😆

It seems there’s two camps really:
the high and mighty few who would ban the calendar (i’m not explaining the non-literal use of the word ban again)
the tolerant ones who don’t see a major problem with the occasional smutty image

I’m guessing it comes down to world view really and whether or not you believe your own way is always best or if you are more open to alternative ways of thinking.

I am also willing to bet that many the first camp think they are really in the second camp. There will also be some who appear to be in one camp on reading this but are really in the other!

Like I say, its the internets innit.

I do just need to paraphrase binners last effort though – i think it comes down to “WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHLIDREN?”

Meh.

you’re going to use clever words I don’t know could you at least set them out in legible sentences that don’t look as if a massive chunk has gone missing somewhere in the middle? Some punctuation and sentence structuring would be a good start.

That’s dyslexia for you I’m afraid.

the high and mighty few who would ban the calendar (i’m not explaining the non-literal use of the word ban again)

Perhaps you could use a less melodramatic word then? Only, the definition of the word “ban” is pretty clearly defined and absolutely no-one on this thread has suggested banning anything.

I do just need to paraphrase binners last effort though

I find absolutely staggering the number of people who actually think he’s being serious.

the high and mighty few who would ban the calendar (i’m not explaining the non-literal use of the word ban again)

It’s not ‘non-literal’ it’s just wrong/made-up.

I guess you’re not going to bother explaining why you pretended you didn’t mention anything about bullying when you definitely did either. These are just minor details obviously. 🙄

the tolerant ones who don’t see a major problem with the occasional smutty image
I’m guessing it comes down to world view really and whether or not you believe your own way is always best or if you are more open to alternative ways of thinking

😆

Yeah, because you’re really tolerant of the views of people who don’t like the calendar aren’t you.

I find absolutely staggering the number of people who actually think he’s being serious.

The problem with irony is that it only really works when the author is putting across a viewpoint you’d not associate them with.

You’ve got to admire the mental fortitude of some of the people on this forum, holding their ground for 18 pages of argument (and still counting)

Their not arguing, they’re just taking turns to shout at the internet.

grum – seriously now. I really don’t care what you think. And by that I mean it doesn’t bother me one way or another. I’m not suggesting you stop talking or posting your opinion.

The proposition from the other side is that somebody should stop doing something legal, quite common and in general fairly uncontroversial (making charity calendars in this instance) because somebody got a tiny bit upset that the calendar in some bizarre way made them look and feel a bit bad. That is the definition of intolerance.

Enough of that one. If you don’t get it yet I doubt you ever will.

As for the bullying thing, someone else suggested it, I pointed out one person to whom he might be referring, that is all. I’m really not crying into my keyboard because I think i’ve been bullied. Some other people do seem to have taken offence very easily though, and I can only hope it is either for dramatic effect or because they are simply trolling.

Cougar – do you take everything you read absolutely literally? I explained my use of the word ban earlier on and it really isn’t a difficult concept to understand. Presumably you missed that post. One of the many ‘joys’ of an internet message board is the way you can go back to the things written previously. I suggest you do that.

I’m starting to think your right piemonster.

*or maybe you’re. Bollocks.

Cougar – do you take everything you read absolutely literally? I explained my use of the word ban earlier on and it really isn’t a difficult concept to understand. Presumably you missed that post. One of the many ‘joys’ of an internet message board is the way you can go back to the things written previously. I suggest you do that.

Don’t be so condescending. You’re really suggesting that readers wade back through an 18 page discussion to unearth your alternative definition of a word, a definition which is entirely different to what it actually means, in order to interpret what you’re getting at? Come on. There’s only one reason to continue to pap on about “banning” when nothing of the sort has been proposed and that’s to wildly exaggerate your point in order to build a straw man.

Do you actually mean “ban”? Yes? Then you’re wrong, sorry. No? Then say what you actually mean rather than hyperbolising for dramatic effect. It’s quite simple really. (Ooh, now you’ve got me at it.)

You still haven’t explained why you claimed binners posts were bullying then claimed you hadn’t mentioned anything about bullying. It’s there for everyone to see.

You ‘explained’ your use of the word ban and I explained why it was bollocks. It’s a classic straw man logical fallacy. Absolutely textbook. Really don’t know why you’re persisting with it.

And can you also explain why the ‘intolerance’ you claim is inherent in the article is somehow worse than your intolerance of the article’s argument? Go on, I’m all ears.

You really need to have a good read of this.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com

Your bingo card is filling up pretty quickly. But if you don’t get it yet I doubt you ever will.

Edit: Cougar +1

loddrik – Member

It’s the same mentality that has podium girls at the stage end of bike races, pretty girls draped over cars at motorshows and attractive women holding umbrellas over drivers in pit lanes of motor races. Utterly vile practices, nauseating in their outdatedness. Who is responsible for perpetuating these archaic displays of sexism when they should have died long ago..?

loddrik – Member

“Again, we’re not (all) stupid enough to let a naked picture affect how we treat or see women in the real world.”

Even more reason for it not to exist then.

Loddrik doesn’t want it to exist and states as much in three strongly worded posts on page three. That’s something of the sort and as near as calling for a ban as you’ll get without using the word ban.

Perhaps he’d like to clarify whether or not that’s what he meant?

If you’re right, then I stand corrected. From an 18-page thread with 118 different posters, one person wants it banned.

Cougar – I’d have hoped you’d have read the thread before you commented on it. You’ve been posting long enough. OR do you just pop up every now and then to pick a fight with someone rather than engage? Bit pointless.

Grum – It is there for everyone to see yes. Unfortunately for you anyone who bothers to check will see that you are wrong. Lucky for you cougar exists so it really doesnt seem to matter so long as (s)he (cant remember, doesn;t matter) agrees with you.
On your other ‘point’, posting yourlogicalfallacy links dont actually make you clever or mean that you understand what you’ve linked to. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Think that was one of popeye’s quotes.

Are we still on topic? We seemed to be a bit sidetracked from the Maxxis babes calendar.

I cant find it on their website any more. I suppose its sold out.

http://www.maxxis.co.uk/calendars

is that the best you can come up with? 😆

If I say I strongly dislike the Daily Mail and think the world would be a better place if it didn’t exist, is that me calling for it to be banned? Is it bollocks.

Grum – It is there for everyone to see yes. Unfortunately for you anyone who bothers to check will see that you are wrong.

You’re really making yourself look quite silly now, but keep going if you want. :shrug:

But here you go, again, just to be clear.

Perhaps you’d like to explain how binners later contributions were remotely constructive and not some vain, pathetic and bullying attempt at shutting down the debate.

I said nothing about bullying, misrepresentation number 1

I’m not trying to make myself look clever – I’m asking you to apply some logic and critical thinking to your own arguments. But I’m fighting a losing battle on that front clearly.

Accusations of ‘shutting down the debate’ are a familiar cry when people can’t manage to actually make a coherent argument. No-one’s told you you can’t say this stuff – they’ve just pointed out the numerous gaping holes in your logic.

😀 To be fair I too felt like some were implying to ban this type of thing hence my heart felt plea to handle these complex matters with delicate hands.

I also think some forum members pop up on a thread just to antagonise with silly pictures, pedantic points and name calling. It was what Binners was doing earlier and in my view it’s a type of forum bullying by a regular and isn’t really in keeping with the rules of the forum.

Bullying:-use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.

I don’t take these things too seriously but I knew you would be very interested in my point of view. As you were.

Cougar – I’d have hoped you’d have read the thread before you commented on it. You’ve been posting long enough. OR do you just pop up every now and then to pick a fight with someone rather than engage? Bit pointless.

Of course I’ve read the thread, I just wasn’t taking notes on people redefining the English language because I didn’t realise there’d be a test.

Pick a fight? Seriously? Deary me no, that’s hilarious.

I’m not trying to make myself look clever – I’m asking you to apply some logic and critical thinking to your own arguments.

Theres your problem right there. Critical thinking? Getting back on topic – heres the level we’re dealing with here…

Welcome back to the 1970’s. Its spirit is alive and well in all its sexist, misogynistic glory, no matter what load of old crap it uses as a justification

Apparently you’re a bully if you point it out?

Its actually just really really tragic. Truly tragic.

That self-awareness thing I was on about a few pages back. Can’t see it happening any time soon….

Can you?

Cheekymonkey that is there standard calendar I saw presviously. The one pulled is the one where all proceeds went to cancer, something it seems they have been doing for a while.
http://www.maxxis.co.uk/news/corporate/maxxis-babes-boost-for-macmillan-cancer-support

I think we’re all aware of the limits of our power in the democratic process. In real life I sometimes make tongue-in-cheek comments that start “when I’m dictator…”. I don’t call for the Daily Mail to be banned and find the direct link ban on this forum informative but when I’m dictator delivering the DM to my parents home will carry a fixed penalty fine.

I doubt many people would publicly state they want a ban as it demonstrates a lack of tolerance, or they are closet fans. Either way I think the level of support for this petition is indicative of how many people really oppose erotic art. That compares with 16 000 signatures on a petition against Tumblr’s crackdown on adult content.

Edit: Miss France on TF1 at the moment. Jean-Pierre Foucault’s false tan, false smile and painfully stilted presentation is irritating me far more than anything the Misses are saying or wearing.

It was what Binners was doing earlier and in my view it’s a type of forum bullying

It was what Binners was doing earlier and it was bloody hysterical. He’s consistently been ridiculing the entire discussion. Mock The Week would be proud.

Bullying:-use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something.

I’m at a loss as to how Binners has “superior strength” unless you’re setting up a pie-eating competition.

Hang on a minute. I’ve just realised that its saturday night, I’m drinking wine, listening to Taylor Swift, and drawing pictures of flowers*

The life of a bully isn’t what its cracked up to be! Where’s your dinner money you ****s?!

* this is all true!

It was what Binners was doing earlier and it was bloody hysterical. He’s consistently been ridiculing the entire discussion.

Banter then? Or Trolling?

It was what Binners was doing earlier and it was bloody hysterical. He’s consistently been ridiculing the entire discussion. Mock The Week would be proud.

Really, I just thought he was posting silly pictures because he had nothing sensible to say.
Sort of keeping his hand in the debate even when he had nothing of value to add.

18 pages – seriously!!

Edit – 19!!!!

Really, I just thought he was posting silly pictures because he had nothing sensible to say.
Sort of keeping his hand in the debate even when he had nothing of value to add.

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I’ll be honest with you. Its no fun taking the piss out of people who are too… whats the word… ‘challenged’ to realise thats whats going on.

To be fair though, it wasn’t too prevalent in the 1970’s. And you seem to have an attraction to the early period

Hey guys!* Its the 21st century!

Group hug?

* and girls, if we must

Is it? Is that exactly the reasons people think this calendar is unacceptable?

There was a recent piece of advice somebody wrote, which might help you a bit with understanding why exactly people think it’s unacceptable:

I’d have hoped you’d have read the thread before you commented on it.

p.s. I do enjoy the way you portray this as a “charity calendar” in order to group it with all the other calendars which manage to raise money for charity without perpetuating sexual stereotypes.

Hi! You might find this useful. and this
I’ll be honest with you. Its no fun taking the piss out of people who are too… whats the word… ‘challenged’ to realise thats whats going on.
To be fair though, it wasn’t too prevalent in the 1970’s. And you seem to have an attraction to the early period
Group hug?

My sides are splitting old boy, how do you cope with such intellect and Witt.
As my mother says, you should be on the stage.

I know. Tragic isn’t it? I don’t know who I’m trying to kid. You want funny though? I’ll show you something funny! Seriously! Sit yourself down and enjoy….

… you’re welcome

Considering the level of offense taken on here over a calendar can I ask what the general consensus of having half naked men advertising aftershave is?

Yet more pish binners.

When you’ve done with that…

…. you’re welcome