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Watching the new Star Wars trailer reminded me of a feeling of sheer disappointment as a kid... Watching Star Wars for the first time I remember my heart sinking when Luke, in Stormtrooper guise, took off the helmet. To that point I'd assumed ST's were cybermen or something, something more than a man in a suit. And at that, a suit which seems to render them quite inflexible. Maybe the white goods look would be laser proof? Oh, no, lasers kill them too. Hmph.
Still frikkin awesome, mind. Roll on December.
Yeah..but they don't get nettlerash while riding the blue at Glentress.
same here, or at the very least humanoid, cyborg or something. i just assumed he'd taken it apart or pulled out it's human innards to get in. was only recently i fully came to terms with they're just humans in a plastic suit.
They're clones. Do keep up.
I always thought they were robots too, I assumed Luke and Han hollowed one out or something.
They just like that to look cool.
What Cougar said. George Lucas decided a plastic helmet was probably cheaper than having to actually clone a bunch of extras.
They're clones. Do keep up.
Quite - while I share the same sense of disappointment, the fact that they are cloned humans was established quite some time ago in Star Wars Episode Two.
Not just any clones mind you.
Clones of the father the THE coolest character in Star Wars - Bobba Fett.
<NERDISM>The Stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett that were grown at an accelerated rate. Boba Fett is also a clone of Jango, but allowed to grow normally. Therefore Jango, Boba, clone troopers and stormtroopers are all the same genetically</NERDISM>
I guess the empire looked back on the invasion of Naboo and realised that it was pretty easy for a hacker to switch off an entire droid army. I think by the events of episodes IV-VI the troopers are a mix of clones and other humans / humanoids - something about the destruction of the cloning facilities?
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My favourite ever Stormtropper image.
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Carry on.
How come most of them are shit at fighting if they are cloned from someone pretty good at it?
So how come the guy in the trailer looks nothing like jango fett?
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Doesn't explain the Hotpoint war suit. What's wrong with Space-Camo?
So how come the guy in the trailer looks nothing like jango fett?
Same reason Luke doesn't when he takes the helmet off.
Doesn't explain the Hotpoint war suit.
Quite handy on Hoth, though.
What's wrong with Space-Camo?
What, for when they're walking around in space?
But we've been told he is a stormtrooper, not just someone who robbed the outfit.
The hotpot image is disappointing. Never thought they'd wear a cheeky black thong. Though commando is probably out as I bet that armour could give a nasty pinch.
So how come the guy in the trailer looks nothing like jango fett?
Seems I may have been wrong.
by the time of the events of Episode IV: A New Hope, the Empire has been recruiting from general populations for years.
The Stormtroopers are clones of Jango Fett that were grown at an accelerated rate.
Something went wrong as they're all pretty average when it comes to fighting.
See, I was one of those who thought they were all kiwi clones.
Something went wrong as they're all pretty average when it comes to fighting.
They are clones, they don't have his knowledge of fighting or memories. He was picked because he genetically superior to other humans
Shit in fact. When did a stormtrooper last actually hit someone with their guns during episodes 4+?
When I was a kid, I did also think they were robots. And Darth Vader.
Can I just say that this is one the best threads I have ever read on STW 🙂
Something went wrong as they're all pretty average when it comes to fighting.
Almost as useless as the A-Team in a firefight 
I do remember thinking that white Stormtrooper armour on Endor seemed a little redundant
Haven't a lot of the cliches about 'bad guys that can't shoot straight' come from Star Wars?
It probably existed earlier in Westerns and the like, but seems even more obvious in Star Wars because of their superior looking armour and guns etc.
Shit in fact. When did a stormtrooper last actually hit someone with their guns during episodes 4+?
I guess the advantage of rapidly grown clones is you don't have to worry about hiring or paying them, you just go for numbers and sooner or later they'll hit something.
I assume the idiots get the basic white suits though. The tie fighter pilots, ATAT/ATST, speeder bike, snow trooper lot all seem a bit more capable.
I always thought they were a trained goons topped up with clones. Luke was applying to join the Academy to become one before the Obi Wan thing kicked off.
See, I was one of those who thought they were all kiwi clones.
I for one cannot wait for Star Wars Episode VIII: The New Zealand Story.
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I suspect they don't hit much because they are permanently knackered from all the shagging. This is based on extensive research in my late teens and early twenties - pop that suit on at a party and you become a babe magnet. Quantity not quality mind but I always felt I had to do my bit for the empire.
'tis true the TIE pilots and scout troopers did seem a bit handier than the regular 'troopers.
Maybe they had less party action ^^^^ 😉
So are any Stormtroopers women?
Breann of Tarth is supposedly a bit of a bad-ass stormtrooper in Episode VII, but no women ones in the earlier films
Oh, good casting. Wondering if that then means she's killed in GoT...
wwaswas - Member
So are any Stormtroopers women?
I sense you're trying to get someone a ban
pop that suit on at a party and you become a babe magnet.
Is that because they got you to keep the suit on? Any problems with your helmet?
Was prompted by this that came up when I was looking for the pink stormtrooper;
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I just wondered if the whole 'anonamised (sp?)' army thing would allow women to be on an equal standing with men etc.
I don;t really know the story behind the films and wondered if it was something that was part of it.
Breann of Tarth is supposedly a bit of a bad-ass stormtrooper in Episode VII, but no women ones in the earlier films
She's the Chrometrooper in the trailer, if the Internet is to be believed.
Is that because they got you to keep the suit on? Any problems with your helmet?
Do you get to hear those immortal words, "aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?"
"aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?"
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It's weird - turns out there are a good number of ladies (word used advisedly) who harbour an ambition to fellate a stormtooper in the backroom of a party. Who knew!
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Can't shoot, but they can dance 🙂
It's weird - turns out there are a good number of ladies (word used advisedly) who harbour an ambition to fellate a stormtooper in the backroom of a party. Who knew!
Bloody wish I had of!!
While we're on the subject, are the cartoons worth a watch from the beginning? The boy has started wanting to watch 'em but it's kinda irritating jumping in half way (? God knows?) through a series.
Pretty sure that the main reason they wear identical suits and full-face helmets is that the censors are then okay with them being massacred in firefights.
If the same number of humans were shot then it would have got a higher rating.
Sorry
Dare say women would have been n an equal footing, IIRC the Empire had it's fair share of nasties.
At a guess Luke would have trained as a pilot rather than a grunt.
Geek fact - when the Millenium Falcon escapes from the boarding party in Tatooine (EpIV) one of the attacking troopers shoots his commander in the back because he was sick of him being a collosal asshat. I tried several times to see this but VHS was not kind with framerate and resolution.
*Orders Stormtrooper outfit*
I always preferred the empire, as they were much more organised and nicely turned out.
[s]Empire[/s] is now The First Order
[s]Rebels[/s] is now The Resistance
by the time of the events of Episode IV: A New Hope, the Empire has been recruiting from general populations for years.
I bet they're all on zero hours contracts as well.
I suspect cost comes into the cloning choice too. If you are gonna run a successful evil galactic empire you save a packet by only having the one stormtrooper uniform size.
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I bet they're all on zero hours contracts as well.
Yup, scraping a living, fitting toilets on a classified Imperial construction project one day and blown to bits by rebel scum the next with no thought of how the families of the coonstruction workers get by afterwards...
effects of zero hours contracts
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Imaige fail , back to work I go ;(
The first female stormtrooper will be in the new film.
She is one of my friends ex girlfriend.. She's tall btw
Know a couple who are huge Sci fi geeks, go to lots of conventions etc.
She has the full official storm trooper kit made from the original film moulds, he has Darth Vader.
Its quite comical because she's around six inches taller than him!
nickjb - MemberI always thought they were a trained goons topped up with clones. Luke was applying to join the Academy to become one before the Obi Wan thing kicked off.
I thought Luke was off to train to be a rebel pilot (assume the Rebels had an academy as they were pretty orgnaised) as his friend Biggs (?) (the moustachioed rebel pilot who got shot down during the Deathstar battle in Star Wars) had done. Note how they greet each other with familiarity when they are preparing for the battle.
Oh and [url= http://originalstormtrooper.com/ ]this shop[/url] is just down the road from my house, needless to say its window display is truly awesome.
I thought Luke was off to train to be a rebel pilot (assume the Rebels had an academy as they were pretty orgnaised) as his friend Biggs (?) (the moustachioed rebel pilot who got shot down during the Deathstar battle in Star Wars) had done.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xs9sum_star-wars-episode-iv-deleted-scenes-luke-biggs_shortfilms
you want 4:19
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I thought Luke was off to train to be a rebel pilot (assume the Rebels had an academy as they were pretty orgnaised) as his friend Biggs (?) (the moustachioed rebel pilot who got shot down during the Deathstar battle in Star Wars) had done
It's in the novel (which is credited to George Lucas but apparently was actually written by Allen Dean Foster. It's a good book. 🙂 ). Biggs went to the academy but jumped ship to join the rebels - Luke wanted to join but nasty Uncle Owen kept asking him to put it off to help with the farming (because Tattoine looks prime for crop-growing....).
When I was a kid, I did also think they were robots. And Darth Vader.
I didn't because one of them said 'Look sir, droids!'
I appreciate it's not exactly proof positive but I was 6.
Uncle Owen was a moisture farmer.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Moisture_farm
It's in the novel (which is credited to George Lucas but apparently was actually written by Allen Dean Foster. It's a good book. ). Biggs went to the academy but jumped ship to join the rebels - Luke wanted to join but nasty Uncle Owen kept asking him to put it off to help with the farming (because Tattoine looks prime for crop-growing....).
Yeah, I read the book years ago but could not remember the detail. Some googling and 'Wookiepedia' also suggested an Imperial Academy. Looks like regardless of whether you are a supporter of the Empire or not, the Academy offered an 'out' for bored young moisture farmers who could jump ship to the Rebel Alliance at the first opportunity.
Uncle Owen was a moisture farmer.
Well I never. You'd have to say, judging by the scenery in A New Hope, he hasn't manage to grow much of it.
Well it was either that or being a Nerf hearder.
Cougar - Moderator
So how come the guy in the trailer looks nothing like jango fett?
Same reason Luke doesn't when he takes the helmet off.
No one really knows, well unless they worked on the film.
He could be a Storm Trooper, he could be a rebel dressed as a Storm Trooper - I adore Star Wars, Star War really was my childhood - but they're just films, and one thing I hate about Star Wars and a few other films with massive cult followings - is the "expanded universe" - to the die-hards just because some half-arsed hack writes a book which says Jabba the Hut was really a driod or Jedis can walk on water - they get all shitty if any new films deviate from it.
Anyway, to be incredibly geeky - the Clone Solders in the prequals, as everyone else had said were all cloned from Jango Fett, so they all look and sound like him.
Ironically, when the new guy was shown in the teaser trailer a lot of geeks lost their shit because he wasn't "white" despite the fact Temuera Morrison - who played Jango and a load of the Clone Troopers and Jay Laga'aia who played a later version of a Clone Trooper aren't white either - they're of M?ori descent, but that's not really important....
Anyway, in the prequal Clone Troopers, as the name suggests - are all Clones, but as the films progressed and there were more of them they changed and evolved.
Fast forward 20 years or so to the originals films and the Clone Troopers are gone and there are Imperial Storm Troopers - they cocked about with the original films in when of the thousands of subtly different versions to give them the voice of Temuera Morrison so you can assume that at least some of them are still clones.
Fast forward another 30 or so years to the new one and frankly - we don't know shit, a lot of people will say X or Y because they know the "expanded universe" but that stuff contradicts itself wildly - in fact, as far as I know in most of it written about after the events of the original films the Empire falls after RotJ but if the trailers are anything to go by - it's still alive an well and tie-fighters are fighting X-wings and someone is flying the falcon into insanely small gaps.
As I said, the new guy might be a recruit, after-all Luke was planning to enlist in Empire as a pilot before Old Ben found him - so they might not all be Clones.
a good number of years ago, leaving a club following playing rugby we can across a fallen white object, we could see it had white legs, walked/ambled over to find a large overweight Caucasian male wearing a star troopers uniform, way too small for him, portions of fat oozing from the seams of the suit armour, he had passed out, well fainted due to the constriction of the suit on his body, similar to a victorian corset, as we began to loosen the uniform and try to revive him only to have several ewoks, darth vaders, han solos and skywalkers shouting leaving him alone, various lightsabers waving and toy guns aimed at us. When we moved to turn round they all stopped and a respectful distance was kept though I have to say I seem to recall the ewoks were prepared to attempt a flanking move.
we pointed out what happeneded and they shuffled forwards to reclaim thei fallen stormtrooper we left him with his fellows
, it was all very biazarre and surreal when comic cons were still rare and only for unusual folk.
Pretty thick though aren't they? Stumbling through narrow doorways one by one to get picked off by the goodies.
Did they never watch any WWII films?
Yup, scraping a living, fitting toilets on a classified Imperial construction project one day and blown to bits by rebel scum the next with no thought of how the families of the coonstruction workers get by afterwards...
Did they never watch any WWII films?
Well no, duh, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away...
Must watch Clerks again, don;t think I appreciated it enough first time around.
...that's what life is, a series of down endings.
wwaswas - MemberSo are any Stormtroopers women?
Google this with caution you must, if at work you are, hmm?
Going right back to the start, it's like any other uniform, they serve different purposes... You do see stormtroopers using camo, on endor. (the white is probably pretty effective in most of the places we see them using it, hoth and wossname, snow and sand)
They're not so much an army, when we see them most of the time, they're military police/occupying forces, so visibility, facelessness and menace are more important than hiding. Identical soldiers is a big statement of the seamless/omniprescence of the empire. It's like shipping the met in to do your face stamping.
I was going to say once you've got handheld lasers and the like armour's probably pretty pointless, so it'd be more environmental and protection against basic attacks. But it doesn't stop ewok sticks either so maybe not.
And that's why the girl stormtroopers' armour is always missing bits.
I do remember thinking that white Stormtrooper armour on Endor seemed a little redundant
The idea of white armour is because its meant to intimidate their enemies.
Which had absolutely no effect on those furry little f***ers who populate Endor.
The other good colours are taken up too. Emperors guard red, fighter pilots black and troopers white. The remaining colours bar yellow or orange would be meh.
I never got into Star Wars, I saw the one with the ewok people in but missed the other two.
Got a little boy now so I get a chance to start again.
[i]Got a little boy now so I get a chance to start again.[/i]
My experience is that you'll see the whole sequence in 20 minute segments, out of sequence, over the next 5 years as you'll either a) fall asleep or b) have to get up and do 'stuff' every time the kid settles down to watch it.
bigrich - Member
I always preferred the empire, as they were much more organised and nicely turned out.
Possibly designed by Hugo Boss?