steroids

This is an interesting watch on steroids.

Trailer
http://youtu.be/ZkL1T-CZPfs

Full film
http://youtu.be/VIiIKB7uDCc

And I’m not.saying this is scientific research. Just an interesting watch

One thing that’s not been said though is the importance of having low body fat before starting, less than 12%. The first time I took steroids the results where great, second time while 17% body fat I looked like a big red chipmonk.
The hormone oestrogen is stored in fat and will convert most of the test and that’s where you will get side effects and they will be much less effective. You will look like a big puffy version of yourself. Diet right down first and then eat lots but eat clean while on.
Test enanthate you can inject less often, once a week even but you will hold more water.
Other test you will need to inject every third day.
Deca with test will make you grow quick but again it’s bloat.

I haven’t taken anything in a long time but if I were to do it again it would be short ester test, primabolan (if you can get it legitimately) low dose tren and 5iu of pharma grade hgh a day.
I wouldn’t take as low as 250mgs of test as was suggested, it will work great for 8-12weeks but after that your natural test will totally shut down, the gear won’t work and you will be a hormonal hitch.
All that said, don’t ask on the internet or gym rats, bodybuilders are among the biggest liars on the planet. Find a competitive body builder you know and trust and ask him.

Interesting thread. I dont get the mentality of screwing with your body to get some bigger muscles though. I guess its upgradeitis on a different level.

I dont get the mentality of screwing with your body to get some bigger muscles though.

On some level (ignoring the fact that doping is illegal and unethical), I can see why professional sportspeople might risk their long term health/shortening their lives in order to feed an overwhelming desire to win. However, doing so for no other reason than vanity is utterly crazy.

The thing that gives it a bad rep is the abuse and the ‘I’ll take more I’ll get bigger attitude’. When you consider that with the right genetics you can look like a men’s health cover on less than 1000mgs of anabolics it’s mad to think there are guys who will never win a show on 5000mgs of anabolics, 15-30iu of hgh, and large doses of insulin that will make them diabetic for life, bald, distended stomach, kidney failure, carpel tunnel ect….. It’s like comparing a junkie to someone who did ecstasy once at a party.

Looks good and healthy.

Doesn’t

I’ll be honest if I looked like brad Pitt ill be happy!!

Yeah but Bradd Pitts full time job is being Brad and how much time do we reckon he spends training 🙂

You do realise that you can cut with steroids ?

With or without steroids getting into the shape of media images we see all the time is hard work.

Tbh men’s health models are in good shape but nowhere near the size of a bodybuilder. You could obtain a mh body by diet an exercise if you so desired just gotta nail the diet which is tricky…

Oh yeah an I’m not getting into the dieting there’s stuff for that an all …it’s not all steroids ya know 🙂

I don’t have some self esteem issue

You know how stupid that sounds right?!!! 😆

TBH

I don’t understand why why I can’t go to the docs and get steroid injections in a properly controlled monitored way….

We have way more issues with Drink ,smoking and obesity related health issues but they don’t stop you buying those things.

Have you ever noticed that all the cheap food offers are for crap 🙂

I think deviants post was good, it told of his own opinion and clearly he knows more than most on here.
Never going to get a positive reaction on this forum mind. Imagine if he went and put on a bodybuilding forum that he wanted to get into endurance cycling and was down to 65kg, they would like think it was horrific.

In short, you make your own choices in life.

You’ll find a lot of cyclists on those forums. Mostly track cyclists but you’ll find epo chatter from the endurance boys too. They’re a broad minded lot.

Tbh I find the muscle forums good…

They aren’t there to force you into it and TBH I think the OP would be slightly flamed but not totally roasted.

They sorta try and help people from doing stupider things.

I don’t understand why why I can’t go to the docs and get steroid injections in a properly controlled monitored way….
We have way more issues with Drink ,smoking and obesity related health issues but they don’t stop you buying those things.

Put simply, there is a big difference between not stopping people buying booze, fags and KFC, and providing them on prescription, which is what you’re suggesting. In any case, as you’ll no doubt be aware, we don’t have a limitless NHS budget, and as far as I’m concerned providing people with state-sponsored doping regimes is somewhere near the bottom of the priority list.

we don’t have a limitless NHS budget

However, providing them on private prescriptions would at least mean they’re getting them under proper supervision…

Dude of doom makes a good point. People are happy to smoke, drink and eat foods with all sorts of chemical additives. Eat meat that’s pumped full of drugs and antibiotics but if you mention steroids people seem to be horrified.
Cortisone injections are common place and is that not a steroid?

Cheers yunki. Made me chuckle. I’ll be shouting that all day now

Nice to see a good interesting debate with good points from both sides. Seems a rarity on stw

Cortisone injections are common place and is that not a steroid?

Hydrocortisone is indeed a steroid, but I’d argue they weren’t commonplace. About the only indication is eg. joint injections to reduce local inflammation, and even then they’re used cautiously because of the systemic side effects.

TBH

I don’t understand why why I can’t go to the docs and get steroid injections in a properly controlled monitored way….

You can, I’m sure private doctors offer this service. A lot of the leading men Hollywood bods are helped pharmacologically

@ratherbeintobago

Was thinking about private prescription type thing as opposed to nhs TBH.

I vaguely remember some ahem glamour model getting implants on the NHS…not sure where that fits on the priority list either 🙂

It’s the support service of proper monitoring/supervision if there’s a demand may as well offer the service to subsidise the nhs.

I don’t understand why why I can’t go to the docs and get steroid injections in a properly controlled monitored way

‘want’ and ‘need’ are two different things. If you need them, you can.

if you trained hard ( not neccessary for long (maybe 1 hour max) but hard ) consistently for 3 times a week with a progressive programme starting easy, then eat and sleep well, you’ll be really surprised at the results your get and maintain. Also rest days are just as important as training days, so do not overdo it. Cycling is also good to combine. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be getting results by now. Will not happen overnight but your get their naturally and reap the health benefits. Plus if you cycle you wouldn’t need to do any imo boring cv work and if you organise rest days well, your cycling strength will be brilliant. Have a look at different types of gym around you, not just the ones full of running machines. Take care of your joints and keep good form, to avoid injury. If you’ll not getting the results at the moment get a decent no bs basic old school training book and read it or get a decent programme or trainer. What the Other guys will be able to do though ( i expect )is prolly train harder for longer with less recovery, which if you think about it isn;t really doing your body any favours in the long run anyway imho and isn’t really going to help with cycling much either. Aim to keep upping your intensity. Reminds me I must get back in shape. 😳

My mate used to take them Untill he grabbed his son by the scruff of the neck and nearly throttled him for shouting loudly on a Sunday morning…..his son is only 4 years old.

We get a small but steady stream of “gym-bunnies” through the cardiac cath lab having had a big heart attack and needing their arteries unblocked as an emergency. Steroid users seem to get accelerated heart disease (made worse by also using amphetamines and cocaine for fat-burning/recreation) such that they are presenting in their 30s and 40s instead of their 60s and 70s. The youngest I’ve seen was 27 – he had a massive heart attack and was left with 10% of his heart function 😯

I’m sure anabolic steroids aren’t as dangerous as smoking, alcohol or some other recreational drugs, but I personally wouldn’t take them, or advise anyone else that they were a good idea.

My two penneth.

I started going to the gym after realising that I wasn’t getting out on the bike anywhere near enough and was losing fitness and expanding round the middle. I’ve been going for almost 3 months and am very happy with the progress I’m making. Fitness up, body fat down, muscle growth and definition improving. As I’m 48 I know that the targets I’ve set myself won’t happen overnight.

Realise now that I’m never going to get the body I want without taking drugs

Unless you want to resemble The Hulk I’d question this. The fact that you are immediately (8 months isn’t long) reaching for artificial assistance suggests a streak of laziness. Apologies if I’m wrong. Also have you looked at your diet and lifestyle outside of the gym? Changing both can have a *massive* impact. Do some research, it’s fun. Also set some realistic short and medium term targets.

Good luck!

I agree with coyote,why not take your training 6 months at a time,set a goal and stick to it,if you don’t like the idea of exercising then you really shouldn’t put yourself through it,there are other training aids that will help you with your gains other than steds.

even 2 days a week with a mid week ride and consistency will do wonders and doesn’t even need to be such hard graft for toning etc.Depends on your goals. Good luck. 🙂

Post a pic of what you look like now and another of what you’d like to achieve?

I’d try the Stronglifts 5×5 routine…..

It’s nice an simple and you can get an app to keep track of weights so it’s simples.
(I used to do do a complicated split in the gym but now do this when training at home as it requires less equipment )

it’s old school just gotta watch your form but it’s good,

With the right diet and the riding for cardio you’d get good results.

Surely all one has to do is eat KFC and Macdonald’s burgers.

There should be enough hormones in there to grow some extra muscle with suitable exercise. 🙂

I’ve got a prescription for steroids that I’ve not picked
up because the side effects have put me off them. But I’m sure they are not the same kind.

I’ve got a prescription for steroids that I’ve not picked up because the side effects have put me off them. But I’m sure they are not the same kind.

You’re right, they’re not the same kind, but the thing with steroid hormones is that, in supranormal doses, they affect other systems as well as the ones they’re meant to work on (hence why taking androgens leads to high blood pressure etc).

Been a gym rat this year for around 8 months now and weightlifting on and off for a fair few years. Realise now that I’m never going to get the body I want without taking drugs. I hate the idea as it seems like cheating and if I’m honest I don’t have to bottle to do it anyway even if I could find a supplier.

Bit late to the thread but, my take:

8 months is, erm, how can I phrase this? It’s not very long to go at the weights if you’re serious.

Come back after a couple more years of training seriously and dieting properly (bulking and cutting) and then see where you’re at and whether you want to play off the health risks against the strength/size gains.

Most folk are probably looking at about 5 years before reaching natural limits, so 8 months? It’s like having a bit of a tickle at the iron and deciding it looks too difficult. Get real with the timescales and end results…

Gear? I’ve seen a few guys go a bit wrong from gear (worst one was a lost limb due to blood clotting but massive doses, terrible terrible diet, smoking and – my guess – some recreational abuse as well) BUT also seen the vast majority of guys will use smaller doses for some decent gains without seeming to have many problems (IANA doctor, I don’t know any private short or long term effects, etc).

From memory gear will stuff about 20lbs onto you if you train/eat right and increase your lifts by something like 20% or 25%. Decide for yourself whether those numbers are worth it.

Can I just add that if you’ve been at this gym for 8 months and not even had a sniff of someone using and dealing the gear, then you are probably not at a hardcore body building gym. Is it a bit MTV and lycra at yours?

Even the manager at my local ‘posh’ gym (Nuffield Health) was on gear and had terrible acne to show for it.

Hire a personal trainer and a dietician.

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Hire a personal trainer and a dietician.

For the kind of money people on this thread are talking about for growth hormones, this seems like a pretty good idea!

This is a great thread btw, really informative…

I guess one thing worth mentioning is that you can get the body you want (assuming it doesn’t look like the pics posted above) but it will be bloody hard work. I know a fair few people who are seriously “ripped”, not body builder size but the kind of fellas who get some serious admiration at the beach. They don’t hit the ‘roids but they do treat going to the gym as a second job, 5 days per week, long sessions, very little life outside of it. So it is possible, not easy, but possible.

I suppose everyones different but my housemate was paniagua (well, I guess the bodybuilding equivelent would be 800g of turkey mince and whey protein shakes for dinner) for ages and absolutely huge. His routine was 20-30min 4x a week. I went to the gym with him for a short time but ended up going on my own as his routine was just to efficient, just walked in, did the 4-5 things he’d planned to do, and walked out. The rest of his day was spent expending as little energy as possible. He then went on insulin/GH/steroids and got huge, but he was very big beforehand, so it is doable without it being a 2nd job.

When he started dopeing he did have to start doing more cardio morning and night though.

For the kind of money people on this thread are talking about for growth hormones

I think some of this has been slightly (hugely) exaggerated. The difficulty is getting a realiable supply which actually contains some growth hormone.