something for the veggies to chew on………..

xherbivorex – Member

hello!

'bout time in all – where have you been?

maybe it was the lack of meat making your brain slow down…..

after a few days of procrastination (and STW being blocked at work combined with busy evenings meaning i've not been on here much this week), i finally decided that a veg*an bashing thread without my input simply can't exist on here… but i just couldn't be @rsed to take up any of the bait.
either that, or you're right and we're intellectually stunted.

In a seperate issue, do those that eat meat really, really, REALLY see nothing wrong with killing a sentient being when you don't need to?

Well you need proteins, actually no you don't you need the amino acids that compose the protein as the human body isn't able to metabolise them. Therefore you need animal meat to provide them to your body. Obviously you could live on soya/tofu. A seed that does not originate from the other side of the world. A seed that in order to supply everyone one of us with would need to deforest quite a fair bit of the few remaining forest. A seed that is in no way contaminated by GM seeds. A seed that so so environmentally friendly.

No really that is so so much better…

ah, i was actually going to respond to juan's post but there's no point.

other than:

about 85% of the world's soy bean crop is crushed to make animal feed.
and less than 30% of the world's soy bean crop is grown in brazil (or "the rainforest", so to speak).

right.

Juan in talking 'absolute shit' shocker.

Do your homework sunshine.

Juan, FFS, you quoted my question and then proceeded to answer a completely different question and answered it with a big bucket of steaming turds.

I'm vegan and the fact that it's probably a healthier diet than being omnivorous is quite low on my list of reasons for being vegan. For me the meat-eating/not-meat-eating argument has nowt to do with health, it's simply about reducing the pointless and needless waste and cruelty associated with rearing animals for our consumption.

Oh, and I rarely eat tofu (me=rather lazy cook) but I somehow manage to stay alive.

Therefore you need animal meat to provide them to your body

What a load of rubbish you need protein but not animal meat. India is hardly a dieing nation and many of us on here have survived for 30 + years without meat.

Neither diet is healthier per se as it still depends on what you eat I could eat chips and bourbons and still be a vegan …not sure I would be healthy mind.

Clearly we can produce more vegatable per acre thamn meat so we would not need to deforest anywhere if we all went veggie we would actually need less space and resources. I think it is about 20KG of veg matter per kg of meat. Meat is also responsible for about 25% of your carbon footprint…we know you dislike us Juan …we are not really sure why… and you are entitled to your own view and diet but that is just not true.
I cant type anymore I am tired and need ot go back to bed now enegry all spent
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Therefore you need animal meat to provide them to your body

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A seed that in order to supply everyone one of us with would need to deforest quite a fair bit of the few remaining forest

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we know you dislike us Juan …we are not really sure why

supposedly it's my fault johnnie.
sorry.

Yes, the funny old thing is, given that most of the world's soy crop goes to animal feeds, the soy/tofu haters probably consume more soy than they could ever imagine.

Graham, is the one in the middle of the chart a pictogram for "because I'm an asshole"? If so, stick me down for that one please 🙂

I don't have a television reciever, so missed this first hand, but I assume that this is the well trodden path of Homo Habilis et al being distinct from the Australopithecines, by virtue of having a larger brain capacity – and that this increase is linked rather too robustly to the easy availability of animal protein in the diet?

Is there not more to that tho'? – plenty of other animals have had access to meat protein over time – millions of years in the case of crocs, and shark species, but I'm not aware of any studies that link diet to brain capacity changes in those species? Nor that they have used it to exploit mutations in their DNA on the back of environmental changes – although I do coincide that they won't have had to make the jungle vs savanna choices.

Any mention of language also being considered as a factor in increased capacity, or how bipedalism affects the brain, both in terms of rewiring it, and in terms of providing cooling / altered bloodflow?

As far as I know this is still a developing theory, a bit chicken and egg, although that's a poor analogy, as it's clear that the egg came first, way back to when birds were reptiles.

Over the last 10-12k years or so, experimental data appears to show a general decrease in jaw/molar density of about 10% (as compared with early-modern humans living at the start of the Holocene)- pretty much coinciding with agriculture, and it's been downhill ever since.

supposedly it's my fault johnnie.
sorry. [/Quote]
Did you fart near him?

OCB are you new to this parish? That is far to intellectual for these parts
I also believe it was language and bi pedalism – free hands and tool use that were more important than meat to intelectual development- plenty of dumb pure carnivores in the animal world.

Xerbivorex yes you are right it's mainly because of you and most of your intolerance.

I had nowt against vegan before you, sad I know but that it. Now remember me when did soya start being imported as a crop or as food in europe? Are you telling me before that we couldn't breed animals for eating.

And for people that says that you don't need amino acid I strongly recommend you to go back to school. Human body CAN'T metabolise them. They must come from the diet. And Caucasian type have evolved to actually sustain a diet with meat and dairy.

Put the spade down. Humans can't synthesise SOME amino acids, plants can. Not just soya – grains, beans, greens etc.

actually, forget it.
it's not worth the bother.

just get over it juan.

Human body CAN'T metabolise them.

I think you mean synthesise them, but don't forget that neither do domestic animals, they get them from grass and such.

They must come from the diet. And Caucasian type have evolved to actually sustain a diet with meat and dairy.

oh dear, now you're straying into racism – there's only one species of homo sapiens and we all have the same (indiscriminate) dietary gamut

is this where the bollocks-spouting liar is at?

I just need a bit more effort into it (I have sfb and xerbivorx I am very close to it).
Herbivorex no I wont get over it. First because I don't want it. Second because this day in spite of you not apologising to me you kept being an arse.

SFB is as always the same old same. An arse.

To be fair I couldn't give a shit of what you like to eat. If you weren't always willy waving about it and about how considerate you are about animals and so and so.
See before getting old upset and outraged about this poor animals we eat, you should get upset against RCPSA because they basically jail animals (after all cats and dogs are perfectly able to survive on their own), and all the stuff that have the made in china on it (you know child labour).

But hey you are right animal first.

nope. Must be the wrong thread. There's only a deranged person on this one.

Animals in jail? WTF?!

i am a veggie and can out think, fight and **** most people! 🙂

Octopus anyone? I had some once in a tapas bar on the coast…delicious. Polpi i think they call it… 😯

you are so so far off the mark it's not funny.
for a start, i do not even have any idea what on earth you are talking about each time you say i gave you grief about whatever. i'm not going to apologise for something i haven't done, but i have NEVER been intolerant towards anybody on here due to their dietary choices.
and you're assuming that those of us who don't eat animals don't care about anything else; that's somewhat intolerant of you, isn't it?
it's not even about willy-waving- this thread, like pretty much every other on here that ever has anything to do with vegetarianism/veganism, was started by someone from the non-vegetarian side of the fence…

remember when you 'told' me i shouldn't buy le creuset cookware because i don't cook/eat animals? that wasn't very tolerant of you, now was it?

SFB is as always the same old same. An arse.

why, thankyou juan, that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me today 🙂 Oh, except "Not at all sure what to make of you."

juan – Member

I just need a bit more effort into it (I have sfb and xerbivorx I am very close to it).
Herbivorex no I wont get over it. First because I don't want it. Second because this day in spite of you not apologising to me you kept being an arse.

SFB is as always the same old same. An arse.

To be fair I couldn't give a shit of what you like to eat. If you weren't always willy waving about it and about how considerate you are about animals and so and so.
See before getting old upset and outraged about this poor animals we eat, you should get upset against RCPSA because they basically jail animals (after all cats and dogs are perfectly able to survive on their own), and all the stuff that have the made in china on it (you know child labour).

But hey you are right animal first. I'm a jumped up fool

Woah! Back down everyone, chillax and take it easy. If not, we'll have to start charging for tickets for this fun show.

Right, Juan:

you need the amino acids […] Therefore you need animal meat to provide them to your body. Obviously you could live on soya/tofu.

This is wrong. You don't need meat or soya to get the amino acids you need, as nostoc said.

And for people that says that you don't need amino acid[…]

No one said that.

I'm really sorry that you feel someone's insulted you. I've looked over the thread again and can't seem to see where that is. All we've said to you is that your facts are wrong, though perhaps we could have said it more sensitively.

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Two facts remain:

1) Some people eat meat and will justify doing so in whatever way they see fit, even if it's simply a case that they like it. Fair enough.

And:

2) Human being really don't need to eat animal products to live healthily.

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Some people will never see how a person could live without meat, and some people will never understand how meat-eaters can reconcile the cruelty and waste involved in animal rearing. It's a funny old game.

jedi – Member

i am a veggie and can out think, fight and **** most people!

Of this I have no doubt! (Apart from the thinking…) 😉

(Apart from the thinking…)

he can definitely outthink you after he's punched your lights out 🙁

bananaworld – Member

I'm really sorry that you feel someone's insulted you. I've looked over the thread again and can't seem to see where that is.

not in this thread, but juan insists that some time in the past (on the pre-hack STW forum), i "picked on" him over this subject and thus began his dislike for all vegans ever. now, i may be getting on a bit but i can't remember this happening. specifically because i've never "picked on" (or even picked a fight with) anybody on STW. i've been very careful to avoid doing so because, well, i just don't have the inclination to do so. i'll defend myself if i feel it's necessary though, or explain my beliefs if asked/questioned.
so, because i allegedly expressed intolerant views towards him and subsequently failed/refused to apologise for doing so, juan now dislikes vegans intensely and will, in fact, make stuff up about human dietary requirements and global food production in order to show how wrong and stupid we all are.

funnily enough, one of my best friends is french and he moved to england a couple of years ago because he is vegan and, in his words, almost all of france is quite intolerant towards vegans.
what a crazy world.

almost all of france is quite intolerant towards vegans.

you're doing it again 🙁

doing what?
that's not my viewpoint; that's what a frenchman who happens to be vegan said to me.

doing what?

dissing juan (via his country)

i didn't even "diss" him in the first place. that's the point.

but you would say that!

It's hypocritical not to eat animals but then to taunt defenseless Frenchies 🙁

…and all the stuff that have the made in china on it (you know child labour).

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It is pre hack forum yes. A thread started by Mr nutt where I was actually trying to be very balanced and sensible defending both meat eaters and vegan. That is when herb jumped on my throat. As for your "french friend" maybe he shouldn't try to do what I have seen all vegan do.
Getting into a restaurant or a house without phoning prior to tell about dietary "commitment" and then get all upset when the menu doesn't suit them. Both my mum and mrs juan are vegies (french way they eat fish and eggs and dairy based products) and both have the decencies to tell about this first, so thing can be done. But hey maybe that is just not normal after all, you can't expect people to be polite. As for the willy waving you do willy wave about it herb. First your nick name, and second I perfectly remember on a friday "eating drinking listening" thread that you told every one that you will have some burritos made of tofu/vegan cheese and chicken.

As for the willy waving you do willy wave about it herb. First your nick name, and second I perfectly remember on a friday "eating drinking listening" thread that you told every one that you will have some burritos made of tofu/vegan cheese and chicken.

it's got nothing to do with willies or showing off – it's acceptable to campaign for reduced meat consumption if that's what you believe in

I perfectly remember on a friday "eating drinking listening" thread that you told every one that you will have some burritos made of tofu/vegan cheese and chicken.

What's your point? That he responded to a thread asking what he was eating by telling you what he was eating?

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I perfectly remember on a friday "eating drinking listening" thread that you told every one that you will have some burritos made of tofu/vegan cheese and chicken.

What's your point? That he responded to a thread asking what he was eating by telling you what he was eating?

Can't we all play nicely…?

Juan, please continue to contribute, but come out with less incorrect/made-up stuff. And Barry's right, you know, and if you're not careful it'll be a wickerman that has your name on it! 😉

posting what i am going to be eating in a thread where everyone else is doing the same thing is hardly "willy waving"…
i honestly do not remember this pre-hacked board thread juan, but if you think i jumped down your throat or something then all i can say is that you must have misunderstood the intent of my contribution to the thread as i've already said i've gone out of my way to not start any crap on STW over stuff like this.
and my user name; i use the same name on various forums/blogs and so on, and have done for the last 12 years or so. it's just consistency, you know. you shouldn't get upset by it, it's really not worth it.

as for your veggies in restaurants thing, i agree that getting upset over a lack of provision for their dietary choices when they've not checked beforehand is stupid; it's not something i have ever done because it's MY choice and i'd never expect other people to do stuff just to suit me. if they do, that's very nice, but if not then that's their choice and i respect that.
my friend remi isn't the kind of person that would make a fuss; he moved here because he says there's far more choice in places like restaurants for veggies than where he lived in france (he lived in a pretty rural area near to bordeaux) and he said that most of his family used to pick on him for not eating meat/dairy. all the time.