I think she’s an intellectual and moral vacuum, but it’s a mistake to believe that she’s stupid.

She’s an intellectual vacuum but isn’t stupid? How’s that work?

I blame Corbyn for all of this

I blame Boris Johnson for all this (EDIT: with a special mention for Nigel Farage).

No one on STW has attacked a Labour Party leader more than binners has.

As far as I could tell, Binners’ vitriol was because he was a labour supporter and was frustrated by their leader.

Though, you’re not wrong.

I guess now she’s PM the tabloids can publish all the lurid stories of her shagging exploits. Something tells me where Boris was lauded as a jack the lad she will get exactly the opposite treatment.

The only socialism doled out in this country will be by eye-watering tax-payer-funded handouts to shareholders and CEO’s.

She’s an intellectual vacuum but isn’t stupid? How’s that work?

She’ll always be Thick Lizzie to me.

Sponsored by Deliveroo, if her speech is anything to go by. Although “deliver, deliver, deliver” is tricky when the posties are on strike.

Something tells me where Boris was lauded as a jack the lad she will get exactly the opposite treatment.

I think they’ll give her just as easy a ride in that regard. No matter who she makes chancellor of the exchequer…

Now she’s Conservative leader, the papers will get behind her ‘till well after their readers are overwhelmingly against her.

It amused me when the beeb sent a reporter to Leicester station to interview an outraged commuter on a strike day only to find everyone supported the strikers. Interesting protests in Germany. It’s a mistake to get hung up on who’s saying what in the parliamentary parties, the pressure for change will not come from there.

Despite the doom, gloom, defeatism, and “there is no other way” of centrist politicians, there is growing evidence that globally neo-liberalism is starting to lose its grip.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/398303/approval-labor-unions-highest-point-1965.aspx

She’s an intellectual vacuum but isn’t stupid? How’s that work?

I’ve known lots of people that I’d struggle to call intellectual or moral but were far from stupid when it came to positioning themselves.

We’ve all had that boss…………………………

She’s an intellectual vacuum but isn’t stupid? How’s that work?

Pretty easily. She’s not a deep or original thinker, and we can forget hearing any dazzling insights from her. That’s not to say she isn’t extremely savvy – for one thing she’s PM and you and I aren’t.

Tighter that I had it, I bet she spends 6 weeks flying round the world telling everyone she is prime minister.
She can start with Scotland that will be nice for her.

I blame Boris Johnson for all this.

It’s turtles all the way down, man.

Mostly I blame Cameron. The oily porcine-abuser caused all of this and then ran away humming a jaunty tune as soon as shit got real. I’d cheerfully set him on fire and put the flames out with a cricket bat.

@cougar

who wasn’t either thicker than refrigerated Marmite

Stealing this

caused all of this and then ran away humming a jaunty tune

And framed his lobbying law to allow him to make his big money.

Corrupt, self serving… and totally protected from the mess he left the rest of us in.

Cameron he got away clean from the mess he was to weak to stop.
Nasty oink

Truss has failed her way to the top. Without Brexit and Johnson’s tendency to appoint cabinet ministers who were either bad enough to make him look good or foaming Brexit zealots, Truss would have never got near the front bench, never mind PM. After Cameron, May, Johnson, and now Truss, surely the game must be up?

Once you become part of the group that is struggling – everyone’s a socialist.

I think history rather shows the opposite, people who are struggling tend to focus first and foremost on themselves and family which is understandable. It’s the middle classes who tend to think more about others, it’s a lot easier to be generous when you’re comfortably off.

The massive lurch to of the right by the struggling / left behind / forgotten people of this country would suggest something to the contrary.

That’s because we needed fivem more years of Tory rule to make the point to them.

There’s always been just enough people doing okay (maybe through cheap debt) – and just enough racism to keep all that in check.

We’re all the same colour once we have no money.

Again, history suggests otherwise, but I hope you are right.

As far as I could tell, Binners’ vitriol was because he was a labour supporter

Binners must now be a Tory supporter, based on his vitriol aimed at the previous and current leaders of the Tory Party! 😊

After Cameron, May, Johnson, and now Truss, surely the game must be up?

Never underestimate the electorate’s ability to vote for worse candidates and the Conservative’s ability to find them. We all thought Cameron and then May were the bottom of the barrel, we forgot that there are multiple barrels.

Again, history suggests otherwise, but I hope you are right.

The thing is, this energy crisis is unprecedented. Never have we seen so many people staring into the abyss, in such a short timescale.

There will be middle income people unable to pay the all of their bills this winter.

Binner’s meltdown about Corybn was quite incredible. I can’t think of anyone I’ve ever been so upset about, and we’re talking about people that have literally stolen my stuff or physically attacked me. That a forum member would achieve levels of something approaching fame for relentlessly attacking the leader which his fellow party members elected overwhelmingly rather sums up Labour’s problem, not to mention the left in this country in general (critically, such problems are not shared by the shapeshifting Tories).

I don’t really blame Corbyn for all of this.

I do blame people who blame Corbyn for all of this and the long list of enabling idiots including Cameron, Gideon, Farage, May, DUP, ERG,  Johnson, Putin, Trump and most of the the good old UK electorate who rarely know what they’re actually voting for.

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That’s not to say she isn’t extremely savvy – for one thing she’s PM and you and I aren’t.

I’m not sure seeking that particular Job qualifies someone as “Savvy” these days.
“Ambitious” perhaps, maybe even “overconfident” but definately not savvy.

“Ambitious” perhaps, maybe even “overconfident” but definately not savvy.

Ambition alone wouldn’t get you the gig. She knows what to say and to whom – underestimating that would be a huge mistake I very much hope the opposition doesn’t make.

That’s not to say she isn’t extremely savvy

Doesn’t mean she is, either.

Rather begs the question: is she?

Corbyn and his semi-skinned flavour of European socialism are history and won’t be back for a generation at least. The fact he’s still so often brought up speaks volumes about the nuisance he made. Despite now being largely irrelevant, what he represented needs to be denigrated at every opportunity, because it was a highly subversive ideology to the narrow interests which currently have the narrative of this country stitched up. The inane Truss “interview” by Kussenberg case in point – imagine she’d had Corybn on! Jesus Christ!

Doesn’t mean she is, either.

Rather begs the question: is she?

I answered your question, which you omitted from your edited quote.

I think history rather shows the opposite, people who are struggling tend to focus first and foremost on themselves and family which is understandable. It’s the middle classes who tend to think more about others, it’s a lot easier to be generous when you’re comfortably off.

not disagreeing, but if you’re poor and focussing first and formost on yourself, isn’t the answer going to be fairly left-wing? its only when you’re richer than the average person (or have ambition to be so) that low tax/small state appears benefitial to you

She’ll always be Thick Lizzie to me.

Or Mary O’Leary.

I’m not sure seeking that particular Job qualifies someone as “Savvy” these days.
“Ambitious” perhaps, maybe even “overconfident” but definately not savvy.

Callous?

I answered your question, which you omitted from your edited quote.

I did, because it was a faulty conclusion. I know plenty of people who are shit at their jobs (google “Peter Principle”). We’ve had a succession of PMs for whom “savvy” would be a reach. Would you describe May as savvy?

Lucky, maybe. Privileged, certainly. Savvy? Who knows.

I did, because it was a faulty conclusion. I know plenty of people who are shit at their jobs (google “Peter Principle”).

Ah, so ask a question, dismiss the answer without the courtesy of actually replying to it, then shift the goalposts. Classy.

Speaking of faulty conclusions, being “shit at a job” has very little to do with the point I was making.

When plcs are failing frequently the last thing they do is appoint a female ceo (true fact that)

“That a forum member would achieve levels of something approaching fame for relentlessly attacking the leader which his fellow party members elected overwhelmingly rather sums up Labour’s problem”

You do realise that Liz Truss got where she is today with ‘the overwhelming support of party members’ as well don’t you?

This is what happens when you cleave to the interests of a dedicated and extreme minority, when you put the interests of a hundred thousand or so members with a party card above those of elected politicians who represent the whole electorate having won an election that everyone was able to vote in.

Left to their own devices the Tory MP’s would have likely selected someone more sensible to lead the country.

Left to their own devices the Labour MP’s would likely have elected someone more sensible to lead their party.

“When plcs are failing frequently the last thing they do is appoint a female ceo (true fact that)”

Ditto with the office of Chancellor when the economy begins to tank.

Javed, Sunak, Zwarhiri and then Possibly Kwarteng.

Truss is thick. No question at all. We ate back to the multiple types of intelligence. She is dim on most of them. Cunning and ruthless tho

Ah, so ask a question, dismiss the answer without the courtesy of actually replying to it, then shift the goalposts. Classy.

What -are- you talking about?

Still doesn’t answer the question, either.

Just listened to her victory speech

She says the campaign was “hard-fought” and showed “the depth and breadth of talent” in the party.

Well, indeed, that’s the problem.

When plcs are failing frequently the last thing they do is appoint a female ceo (true fact that)

Right-o. What’s your point?