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underestimation of Truss

No one overestimated the Conservative membership… they were always going to back her when given the choice of her or Sunak. It was a done deal once the MPs let her through to the final two. There is no “underestimation” of Truss as regards her winning the leadership run off with members… just a very low expectation of her as PM… I strongly suspect she’ll live up to those low expectations now she’s leader [well, will be in about 2 mins time].

Nope, but can certainly help a lot less after winning an election combined with having more time to come up with approaches that satisfy tory voters and donors.

There will be a lot of “middle class” Tory voters who are going to be massively affected by the energy crisis.

If you earn £70k a year and have £1500 mortgage, that leaves £2500 for everything else. If suddenly your energy bills are £500 a month then that is going to hurt.

Not to mention all the small business owners who are facing collapse over the winter.

The country is going to have 40 million socialists by January.

The country is going to have 40 million socialists by January.

This.

Once you become part of the group that is struggling – everyone’s a socialist.

Not what history shows us, but I hope you’re right.

Tory Party membership were ever in danger of voting for someone who looks a bit foreign.

https://www.ft.com/content/3ccc8cbc-beb1-4809-9b97-f7a7dbce8608

Is Rishi Sunak’s looming defeat in the Conservative leadership election because he’s not white?

I think the answer to this is “well, it’s complicated”. On the one hand, well, just look at this Opinium poll of Conservative members from January:

As you can see, had the Conservative leadership election taken place in January 2022, Rishi Sunak would have won it and won it comfortably. Now, here is an Opinium poll for the Observer from this month:

The picture from January 2022 has almost exactly reversed: Rishi Sunak has gone from defeating Liz Truss by 28 points to losing by a near-identical margin. I don’t think we can easily claim that January’s polls were wrong but August’s are right, and it stretches credulity well past breaking point to believe that Conservative members only noticed that Sunak was British-Indian in February of this year.

Obviously you need to read the FT link to see the graphs which the article is referring to.

Stringing it out worse than masterchef

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Are you new here 😂

Ooof – Lol. There is no other type of Lib-Dem! 😉

What’s wrong with being a Liberal Democrat?? (asking for a friend)

FFS Boris getting cheers and applause for his leadership through the war in Ukraine!

If she comes out of no10 draped in a union jack with that cat stuffed and wrapped around her neck like a tin pot Cruella de Vil it would no surprise me.

Starmer got till oct to get his party firing on all systems go or he might as well get a job somewhere else.

Everything you said plus underestimation of Truss

From what I’ve seen, it’d be hard to overestimate her.

I’m genuinely struggling to think of a candidate who was realistically in the running who wasn’t either thicker than refrigerated Marmite or just downright evil.

80,000 people just elected our Prime Minister

Closer than I thought.

Conservative Leadership Election Result:

Liz Truss: 57.4%
Rishi Sunak: 42.6%

60k votes for sunak, 80k for truss..

Ooh, closer than I thought it would be.

What’s wrong with being a Liberal Democrat??

Nowt so long as you are a libdem and dont want to take over Labour and turn it into the libdems.
Well unless you are an orange book version.

Lot closer than expected. Not a good start for her.

What’s wrong with being a Liberal Democrat?? (asking for a friend)

They just like throwing that at Binners, despite him being just about the only consistent Labour member, supporter and voter that posts on this forum regularly.

Can I put a fiver on Liz to win?

From what I’ve seen, it’d be hard to overestimate her.

I think she’s an intellectual and moral vacuum, but it’s a mistake to believe that she’s stupid.

Eurgh this speech. Sounds like they need a flashing applause sign.

I’m genuinely struggling to think of a candidate who was realistically in the running who wasn’t either thicker than refrigerated Marmite or just downright evil

We disagree there.

Johnson was supposed to be smart – I never saw any of that.

I don’t think she’s thick at all – she says some daft things – but she knows how to get elected.

From what I’ve seen, it’d be hard to overestimate her.

Aside from comments by Labour politicians and staffers do suggest she is a lot better than she comes across in public. Which admittedly isnt hard.

They just like throwing that at Binners, despite him being just about the only consistent Labour member, supporter and voter that posts on this forum regularly.

That’s an interesting rewriting of history.

Truss’ acceptance speech – pure cringe! 😆😆 Tory HQ audience members not sure whether to stay silent or clap.

Obviously you need to read the FT link to see the graphs which the article is referring to.

Because of course, Tories have a solid track record of actually doing what they say they’re going to do.

18% of eligible voters didn’t vote; that is a surprisingly high number.
As for the result, much closer than I had expected.
Far short of a ringing endorsement for truss.

Will she “deliver” my shopping too???

They just like throwing that at Binners, despite him being just about the only consistent Labour member, supporter and voter that posts on this forum regularly.

Not the same as left-wing so it’s not the token you think it is.

Pork markets, pork markets, pork markets

I’m feeling richer already……

It amused me when the beeb sent a reporter to Leicester station to interview an outraged commuter on a strike day only to find everyone supported the strikers. Interesting protests in Germany. It’s a mistake to get hung up on who’s saying what in the parliamentary parties, the pressure for change will not come from there.
Also it’s a bit of a misnomer to be bandying about Weberian-type status terms like working class and middle class; if you sell your labour you’re objectively working class whatever the ‘cut above’ you might see yourself as. Plus many maybe older and comfortably off people see what damage is being done to their kids’ prospects. People’s consciousness can change pretty quickly and when people are desperate they often act.

They just like throwing that at Binners, despite him being just about the only consistent Labour member, supporter and voter that posts on this forum regularly.

No one on STW has attacked a Labour Party leader more than binners has.

Wow, always struggled to understand Tories. Now they totally dumbfound me. What am I missing?

Johnson was supposed to be smart – I never saw any of that.

He managed to plot a path to become the PM of the UK even though he’s got more baggage than Heathrow.

No one on STW has attacked a Labour Party leader more than binners has.

In chat? Yes. He still worked to try and get him elected, and voted Labour at both general elections when he was leader. Did you?

Prime Minister Truss

I’m convinced more than ever that were living in an Armando Iannuci simulation

I genuinely believe your average person on the street with a high school education would make a better PM than this clown.

And I’m not talking about her right wing policies, I’m talking about general intellectual capacity, of which she has very very little

I blame Corbyn for all of this

Once you become part of the group that is struggling – everyone’s a socialist.

The massive lurch to of the right by the struggling / left behind / forgotten people of this country would suggest something to the contrary.

But I hope you’re right and they come around eventually.