So, Scotland, again…

Scots. Presumably Scotland leaving the Union would affect the Welsh, and they would probably be more neutral in their response than either the Scottish or the English.

Sun stroke from Australia 😉
IME it depends how nationlaistic the Welsh person is – if they are pro Union they are pro union if they are natiionalist they supports Scottish nationalism as well. Not sure anyone is actually independent when they have aview on it,

Apart from that, does anyone have any real idea about how the EU would work out?

Looks good to me I think the Euro zone will be a sucess and the growth will return

Who’s to say that either Scotland or the remainder of the UK as one nation would be allowed to remain?

I doubt they want The UK to leave tbh as it doe snot really help the EU

It’s all very well suggesting a strong chance for renegotiation for the rUK, but what if the Germans and French really are that fed up with Cameron’s tantrums?

They may be just a little bit more mature than Cameron amnd as they support a big Europe they will want them both to stay

IMHO Cameron is showboating to his right wing colleagues _ I dont think he actually want to leave the EU annd he is gald to have the Lib Dems in coalition so his hands are tied and he can blame them

Sun stroke from Australia

It’s been quite a pleasant day here actually – a nice, warm 28 degrees – bring on spring and nice long evenings with a cold beer!

You are keeping TJ though

no no no no that’s not how it works at all.

And there is the ownership and disposal costs of any nuclear waste to be considered.

Yup, there’s even a bunch of old nuclear subs at Rosyth which they resorted to asking the public for ideas what to do with. Completely ignored all my suggestions 🙂

@zokes – yes, the “new” suggestion is really one to counter the people who say that of course Scotland wouldn’t have EU membership. I think the most likely is that everyone inherits the membership of the UK.

Cameron is actually “reasonably” happy with the EU. We are part of a customs and free-trade union with the advantages (and disadvantages?) that this brings. But we are not part of a fixed-exchange rate system with the disadvantages (an advantages?) that this brings and which is crippling S Europe (among other things). With a bit or re-patriation of a few legal powers I think he will remain perfectly happy.

Junkyard – Member
Looks good to me I think the Euro zone will be a sucess and the growth will return

On that wonderfully positive note and with the sun shining, time to get out and play some golf or ride my bike!

p.s. Ben, FWIW, the new state idea is a non-starter IMO. Of course, I am sure AS would love to absolve himself and Scotland of all liabilities!!!

Now we begin to get an idea of what a “No” might mean for the UK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-19957358

I object to the opening paragraph though

Scotland would raise around two thirds of all the money it spends, under proposals due to be unveiled by the Scottish Liberal Democrats.

Scotland already “raises” more than it spends 😈

It’s been quite a pleasant day here actually – a nice, warm 28 degrees – bring on spring and nice long evenings with a cold beer

Grumbles jealous abuse it is like when you were last here but windier and colder

THM I agree CMD sees the positive trade aspects of Europe and wants to keep them but he does l=not like the political or social aspects

I have decided to become STW stalwart supporter of the Eu at all costs 😉
I am not I am still largely ambivalent to it

IMHO Cameron is showboating to his right wing colleagues _ I dont think he actually want to leave the EU annd he is gald to have the Lib Dems in coalition so his hands are tied and he can blame them

Blimey! We actually agree on something regarding Europe 😉

He must be privately thanking Gordon though, for making sure he didn’t take us into the slow motion car crash that is the Euro

p.s. Ben, FWIW, the new state idea is a non-starter IMO. Of course, I am sure AS would love to absolve himself and Scotland of all liabilities!!!

It’s more a counter to the argument that Scotland wouldn’t inherit anything from the UK – if we don’t inherit anything, then we don’t inherit the debt either.

All this discussion about minutiae is distracting. Stuff will be sorted out by negotiation. People are getting hung up on what happens to the Post Office and the nuclear weapons. What we should decide is the principle – do we want Scotland to be free to rule itself? Once that’s sorted, we can take care of the details later – and do so by negotiating amicably with the rest of the UK.

ohnohesback – Member

I do want scottish independence. Whether the scots want it or not.

ohnohesback – Member

Bring it on! The sooner england is out of the EU the better!

England – the future according to some

And as before, the act of recognising Scotland and accepting her into the EU does raise some interesting questions for several other European countries with regions of an independent bent. Either way, it would probably be a good thing for all concerned to have these minor details a little clearer before anything’s seriously considered!

Not to mention suddenly there’s another vote at the table – possibly with a veto on things like oil exploration, fishing, agriculture… (and that’s ignoring the vote “dilution” of having an extra country at the table.)

Grumbles jealous abuse it is like when you were last here but windier and colder

So what’s happened is that the North West is recreating Scotland’s climate so it doesn’t even matter meteorologically if Scotland leaves the union?

I don’t think I’d ever been out in more disagreeable weather even in 10 years in Wales.

The Outer Hebrides and far North West of Scotland have had a really dry summer (not for the first time). I’m thinking of moving 😆

Aye, we had the fine timing to go up to Fort William for a long weekend, on the exact day that the dry spell broke- but up til that point they were having a freakishly dry summer.

Just come back from long weekend golfing in Scotland. Four matches against teams of varying backgrounds – very traditional to young students. Didn’t find one “yes” person all weekend, which was a surprise especially among the younger opponents (university students). Even more surprising was the general air of indifference.

Just come back from long weekend golfing in Scotland. Four matches against teams of varying backgrounds – very traditional to young students. Didn’t find one “yes” person all weekend,

Very surprising. Salmond seems very pro Golf 😀
There would be courses everywhere.

If Scotland leaves can we not change the clocks for winter please.
I hate it.

The Outer Hebrides and far North West of Scotland have had a really dry summer (not for the first time). I’m thinking of moving

you’ll have to learn to walk at 45 degrees though

wrecker – Member
Very surprising. Salmond seems very pro Golf

The sign of a proper Scot! I will give him that.