SNP. You LOST, get over it

^^^ I meant to say Scottish UK Labour branch office.

FTFY

EDIT: THM you really need to provide proof to your claims – you could provide proof and be all smug- Evidence is the best “argument”
Forgive the use of facts here
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as he will probably tell us to google here is what I found
20 % comes from the torygraph

As well as the electoral map, polling by Lord Ashcroft, the Tory peer, also sheds light on the Yes camp’s disappointment.
According to the poll of 2,000 voters, one in five people who backed the SNP in the 2010 general election rejected independence this week. Even 14 per cent of SNP voters at the last Scottish Parliament election in 2011 voted No.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11110450/Scotland-referendum-analysis-how-Alex-Salmonds-core-vote-sealed-his-fate.html

He expresses it like this though

Meanwhile one in seven SNP voters opted to remain in the UK. Those who voted SNP in the last general election comprised just over half (53%) of the total Yes vote.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/scotland-voted/
I am not sure where the 20% comes from tbh perhaps they worked it out but i cannot be arsed. 53% only being SNP would seem to destroy the view it was only a SNP supported view and I guess we could debate if 14 %or 20 % is many
With spin [ BS. lies and deceit as you would call it were AS doing it] you can possibly get to 20% but its probably fairer to say 14 % which is what he said.

Dangerously on topic it also found

Finally, for how long do Scottish voters think the question of independence will remain settled? A majority of those who voted No said they thought the issue was now resolved for at least a generation (28%) or forever (25%). Yes voters disagree: more than six in ten said they thought the matter was settled for no more than ten years, including nearly half (45%) who thought the question would remain closed for no more than five years.

Has there been some other vote I’ve missed? Because in the most obvious recent one the number was nowhere near that high.

at least 45% of people who expressed a preference

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45% of those who voted , as you well know, pedant 😛

Then again they would have won had it not been for the older voters 😉

er, no, not quite that either 😉

Then again they would have won had it not been for the older voters

Along with the English voters. The number of English people who live in Scotland and were eligible to vote wasn’t far off the difference between the Yes and No votes.

so there we have it is the english and the old who are to blame…no arguing with science now is there 😉

Along with the English voters. The number of English people who live in Scotland and were eligible to vote wasn’t far off the difference between the Yes and No votes.
[/quote]Aye – but you’re surely not suggesting they all voted no?

No, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let’s not bicker and argue about who killedvoted for who !

😀

typical of the english oppressor FFFFFFFRRRRRREEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM

Junky seen earlier;

Aye – but you’re surely not suggesting they all voted no?

97.3% of those that voted did.

I get why the pain is so harsh. Facts, truth and logic aside, yS had everything aligned for an easy win. And yet the most astute politician in the uk (no, really) misses the open goal.

If it were not for the fact that the result is a win, win for everyone, I would be a bit pissed too I was a yS suporter. Still if you cannae carry your own side, what hope is there for you?

Now you have the best solution possible, STFU, count your blessings (not least we are rid of wee eck for now) and get on with it.

Doesnt surprise me that SNP membership is rocketing. The yes vote was always far more vocal than the no, and from what I can see many simply refuse to give up on the independence dream and are desperate to continue the momentum

The silent majority that is the No vote probably don’t really give a shit anymore, they got what they wanted and have moved on

On the topic of more powers to Scotland within the union, I’m pretty convinced that if Devo Max had been an option on the paper the Yes Vote would have been far smaller than what it was (as would the no vote obviously), so I’d be staggered if any future Referendum didn’t include this option, which would pretty much put an end to the subject.

Junky seen earlier;

That is the scene I was thinking of tbh well played 😆

THM diplomacy and counsellings loss is our gain

Personally, I have not had time to digest the Smith report, however I have been disappointed on the tone from the final weeks of the referendum until now by all sides.

A panicked pledge was made late on that has left most Westminster politicians running about chasing their arses as well as many yes voters hoping it all goes pear shaped.

Debate on constitutional reform I feel should have been discussed sooner and been more inclusive of the whole UK, although perhaps the referendum was what was required to bring it to discussion. Now we have the ‘pledge’ separate from rUK devolution, which is as it should be, however I can understand but don’t like to see either a simmering resentment in England/Wales/NI or a willful hope for failure in Scotland.

I know the last thread got heated, however a more reasoned tone should prevail now, but does not seem to be happening.

Wise words and insightful but nuanced debate seems unlikely on here.

The independence referendum was democracy at it’s best, comments about unilaterally declaring independence do no one any favours. People need to respect the vote so that the whole of the UK can move on. The UK needs a shake up from the top to the bottom. The north-south divide does not start at the Scottish border it starts at the Watford gap. Devolution to the regions is a must!

epicsteve – Member
Aye – but you’re surely not suggesting they all voted no?
97.3% of those that voted did.

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I made it up – just like some of the other stats quoted here.

SNP is pushing for independence in all but name. The scarecrow leader was saying in parliament ‘I want’. What about the majority voters who voted no? Again Salmon saying ‘we lost but we can still declare independence’ post vote. Do they believe in democracy or arrogantly believe no’s only voted no if they all got completr control?

The leader of the SNP is not representing people who either voted yes or no, she is representing the voters who voted the SNP into power in Scotland. How hard is that to understand?.

2011 wasnt it? Pretty hard for one of us. Shes pushing for the max from where I see it. Calm yerself laddie. Lets wait for their next election to see the turnout.

Shes pushing for the max from where I see it. Calm yerself laddie. Lets wait for their next election to see the turnout.

It’ll be interesting. Normally votes turn back to Labour in the general election, as it’s as much about an anti-Tory vote as anything else. The polls are indicating that might not happen this time but we’ll have to wait and see. Labour is in even more of a mess in Scotland that it is in the rest of the UK.

Hora has more chance of a sensible post than labour have of regaining power in Scotland.

Hora has more chance of a sensible post than labour have of regaining power in Scotland.

True, but they might still get the majority of the seats in Scotland in the general election.

epicsteve – Member
“Hora has more chance of a sensible post than labour have of regaining power in Scotland.”
True, but they might still get the majority of the seats in Scotland in the general election.

At which point the independence movement may start putting pressure on the SNP majority Scottish parliament to declare independence.

Take a look at Iceland for an example. The people en masse sacked the parliament and re-established their govt. That could happen in Scotland.

That’s if Westminster dodges and weaves over the issue of “more powers” as we expect them to.

The big master stroke Cameron could do now is to ensure that Devo Max happens, and in a stroke he cripples Labour for a generation, and puts independence on the back burner until the UK exits the EU.

epicsteve – Member

True, but they might still get the majority of the seats in Scotland in the general election.

They might… But the last polling I saw has the SNP taking 40 seats, labour 16, the tories outnumbering the pandas by 1 and the lib dems getting completely wiped out. So it’d be a heck of a comeback

the tories outnumbering the pandas by 1

The pandas have a much greater chance of increasing their Scottish population than the Tories so not a fair comparison.
Mon the pandas!

The third city in the uk doesn’t want to be in it.

Leeds wants to declare UDI?!?!?! Crikey, I must have missed that in my Russia Today news feed.

The north-south divide does not start at the Scottish border it starts at the Watford gap.

+1

The nation state is a thing of the past. The Yes campaign should grasp that fact and stop trying to force Scotland back into the 20th century.

Glasgow being the third city of the UK is not based on population alone. There is no official second city of the UK, pre WW1 this was largely accepted as being Glasgow (2nd city of the empire) which was overtaken by Birmingham around WW1, hence pushing Glasgow into third place. This status is based on mixture of population, influence, economic and cultural contribution amongst others.

Manchester has a fair shout, but Leeds? My arse!

bearGrease – Member
“The north-south divide does not start at the Scottish border it starts at the Watford gap.”
+1

The nation state is a thing of the past. The Yes campaign should grasp that fact and stop trying to force Scotland back into the 20th century.

If we’re talking about old-fashioned stuff, a parliamentary system with a superior unelected upper house and a monarch at the top, is far more a thing of the past, and definitely not democratic.

The independence movement is more about democracy than nationalism. It is very much an amorphous people’s movement and not a monolithic thing that can be directed.

If we accept that the problem starts at the Watford gap, it raises the question of what are you doing about it in your part of the country?

From our perspective, it looks like you are swinging to an even more right wing version of what we are trying to get away from, so there doesn’t seem much prospect of a common cause.

I get why the pain is so harsh. Facts, truth and logic aside, yS had everything aligned for an easy win. And yet the most astute politician in the uk (no, really) misses the open goal.

I looked at the level of pro-independence support at the beginning of the campaign, the level at the end of the campaign, and the concessions made by Westminster. I concluded that the Yes campaign was extremely effective.

As an outsider I was very surpirsed how easily the Yes voters were swayed by a few rapidly rushed promises from Westminster.
Suggests to me it wasn’t really a very committed vote if it was so cheaply bought?

hora – Member

2011 wasnt it? Pretty hard for one of us. Shes pushing for the max from where I see it. Calm yerself laddie. Lets wait for their next election to see the turnout.

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And what do YOU think the results of the next election are going to be?
I like the change in tone of the colonial wannabies on this thread,you know; how we should give up and tug the forelock,how it was folly to offer a late vague Devo Max(once the no vote had scraped through) Have you seen/looked at how the political landscape is changing up here? Shouldn’t be long before Westminster is again making statements about currency sharing.
Actually,I see J-Y is refuting THM’s statements with facts again. Shouldn’t be long before he is calling J-Y a troll again for providing hard evidence that is contrary to his view.
Must be hard for you all,your Government managed to win the battle,but at what cost?

Must be hard for you all,your Government managed to win the battle,but at what cost?

At an extremely high cost indeed. Do you think the majority of English voters give 2 shits about devolution? Na, it’s the scots who asked for this and it’s us who are now divided into two groups as a result.
What concerns me now is the lack of uncertainty in Scotland’s future-it can only lead to a lack of investment which in turn affects every single one of us living in Scotland.

hilldodger – Member
As an outsider I was very surpirsed how easily the Yes voters were swayed by a few rapidly rushed promises from Westminster.
Suggests to me it wasn’t really a very committed vote if it was so cheaply bought?

No, it just shows that there was far more support for devolution than outright independence.

Which is why the govt didn’t allow devolution as a choice in the referendum. Then in a last minute panic, they offered it, and people who believed them voted No in the expectation that the promise would be delivered.

That’s why it is important that the govt delivers proper devolution, because the next time round no-one will believe them.

eat_more_cheese – Member
…What concerns me now is the lack of uncertainty in Scotland’s future-it can only lead to a lack of investment which in turn affects every single one of us living in Scotland.

Yes, it’s a worry. This whole get out of Europe movement is extremely unsettling for business and is bound to affect investment.

The best tactic is to invest in Scotland now, because when England leaves the EU, Scottish independence will occur, and you will then still be able to trade with the EU.

As an outsider I was very surpirsed how easily the Yes voters were swayed by a few rapidly rushed promises from Westminster.
Suggests to me it wasn’t really a very committed vote if it was so cheaply bought?

Well to be a Yes voter you would have to had actually voted Yes so how exactly were Yes voters easily swayed?