Shooting in Paris; casualties reported. Hope this isn't what it sounds like.

unknown – Member

Junkyard, you’re banging your head against a brick wall here. There are some people on here with entrenched views so hateful and objectionable that I used to hope they got banned. Then I realised that they’re free to hold those views, even if it makes them deeply unpleasant individuals. Just do what I do now and ignore them, much of it is so ridiculous it just looks like they’re parodying themselves anyway.

What? Everyone has an entrenched view? Where have you been?

Even your view is entrenched.

Nobody is supposed to agree with each other especially if they hold opposing perspective. Fact!

You are merely stating the obvious.

Please come up with something nobody knows …

See what I mean you lot are going a circle.

You are NOT here to change views! If you can change views the world would be at peace.

You are here to show that you are able to rubbish others … not to change them. You respect them as they are.

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Religion is just a mask that idiots on all sides wear, they’re all equally ludicrous fairy stories. Bad people exist and indoctrinate weak or vulnerable others, but if it wasn’t in the name of religion it would be something else.

You man of science try to argue with man of god? It’s like a chicken trying to convince a duck to live a chicken life innit!

Chapeau to Brillo, Andrew Neil, for his amazing opening monologue about Paris on this week

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/1036780/384067

Even Galloway speaking sense 😯

Andrew Neil certInly gave it some but the intro was a rip off of a US chat show which went out at the weekend. Thanks for the reminder I forgot the programme was on, will get it on catch up

Neil’s was somewhat more erudite.

This Week is always brilliant IMHO, and last nights was one of the best.

Fuels my theory that politicans released from the constraints of a current career become sane.

Is Jambalaya still going on about Muslim extremeists? Jambalaya; why are you talking only about attacks committed by ‘Muslims’? What about considering ALL such terrorist attacks? Why are you falling into the idiot’s trap of believing that ‘All terrorists are Muslims = All Muslims are terrorists’ bollocks? If you are going to objectively assess the reality of terrorist threat, then you need to consider all of them, and not be so selective.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/10-worst-terror-attacks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11786802/Burning-of-Christian-churches-in-Israel-justified-far-Right-Jewish-leader-says.html

http://scroll.in/article/718458/most-extremists-in-india-are-not-muslim-they-are-hindu

That’s just a couple of examples. You speak of antisemitism, yet no mention by you, of the alarming rise in far-right groups and ideology, especially in eastern Europe, which in my opinion is of far greater threat to us in western Europe than Islamic extremism. Russia, Ukraine, Hungary and Romania (as well as groups such as Golden Dawn in Greece), have all seen massive rises in the popularity of far-right organisations and political parties, with some even gaining power in some areas.This is something we should really be focussing on (Angela Merkel did try to draw attention to this, but seemed to be largely ignored). Instead, we are faced with a smokescreen of ‘Islamic’ terrorism, and focus only on that.

We all need to set our sights much wider. Such a narrow view is what led to the rise of the Nazis. We have far greater dangers to face than ISIS.

far greater threat to us in western Europe than Islamic extremism.

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John Oliver does it better.

NSFW has lost of swearing.

far greater threat to us in western Europe than Islamic extremism.

wrecker – Member
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That’s not as laughable as it sounds. For a start, there are a hell of a lot more white people about, it only takes one Anders Brevik. I don’t want to pull the old “I live in Belfast so I know all about terrorists” but I have run across some terrifying individuals in my time. All of them white.

John Oliver does it better.

NSFW has lots of swearing.

Whereas I think he doesn’t do it better, for just that reason.

That’s not as laughable as it sounds.

Of course it’s not impossible in future, but to say that it poses more of a threat than the Fundamental perverts to western europe is plain dumb.
Anders Brevik was part of a movement which contained between 15-80 active participants. Estimates for Daesh claims up to 200,000 fighters plus all of the stragglers.

wrecker

Of course it’s not impossible in future, but to say that it poses more of a threat than the Fundamental perverts to western europe is plain dumb.
Anders Brevik was part of a movement which contained between 15-80 active participants. Daesh claims 200,000 fighters.

Britain First have a million followers on Facebook (tories have half that). There’s a very real possibility that groups like them will infect mainstream politics in the near future and make a bad situation worse. And yes, Anders Brevik was part of a tiny group. How many did he kill?

ISIS might claim to have 200,000 fighters but the CIA estimates their numbers to be between 20-30,000.

It probably does seem dumb to you, but I live in a place where the political right consists of white supremacist murderers.

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How many did he kill?

By that measure, how many has Britain First killed?
A million people who have pressed a like button on a website? Hardly a threat.

ISIS might claim to have 200,000 fighters but the CIA estimates their numbers to be between 20-30,000.

That’s on the ground in theatre. They have taken large parts of Iraq and Syria from military forces, kidnapped and beheaded a significant number of people and given ethnic cleansing a damn good go.

I know which lot scare me the most and it’s not the likes of “Angela” from Gravesend who posts pics of her Jack Russells (I made her up)!

It probably does seem dumb to you, but I live in a place where the political right consists of white supremacist murderers.

And the left of nationalist murderers! Neither of whom pose a significant threat to western europe.

mikey3 – Member

Jimjam maybe they were white because you live in Belfast where most people are white,what did you expect them to be? masai warriors?

I think you missed my point, or perhaps you are trying to be funny?

wrecker – Member

By that measure, how many has Britain First killed?
A million people who have pressed a like button on a website? Hardly a threat.

So there’s a million people who subscribe to a similar ideology to Brevik. That’s not even slightly disconcerting?

That’s on the ground in theatre. They have taken large parts of Iraq and Syria from military forces, kidnapped and beheaded a significant number of people and given ethnic cleansing a damn good go.

So, where are the other 180,000? Are they just people who clicked a like button on website? Hardly a threat.

He made the point not all terrorists and bad people are Muslims you just agreed with him – I dont get what you are trying to say here.
what point are you trying to make?

To humour you here is a piece on the Austrian law which I read at the time of the F1 attack. Note no such requirement is made of Christians or Jews as it’s not necessary for the reasons I stated above.

it reminds Muslims that state law takes precedence over religious beliefs,

I’m surprised you posted that, because it the article is in fact about Muslim communities in Austria wanting parity with other religious communities, yet not actually enjoying that:

But it also will restrict foreign financing of mosques and forbid foreign-funded Imams from preaching in Austria in future. The law would also encourage teaching essential beliefs in German, rather than, as is often the case, in Turkish. And, it reminds Muslims that state law takes precedence over religious beliefs, and reserves the right to revoke recognition of a community if the state believes the group does not follow the law.
“We want an Islam with an Austrian character,” Integration Minister Sebastian Kurz told public broadcaster ORF last October.
But those last two parts in the law are grating to Muslims. No other religious law restricts foreign financing and they point out that the Catholic Church receives funding from the Vatican, Protestants have gotten from Germany and the Jewish community gets some support from Israel and the USA.
Outside influence
“We don’t have the challenge (with other religions) that we have to worry about the influences from foreign nations and for that reason, we have to be a bit stricter about the financing from foreign countries in the case of Islam,” Kurz added.

Seems somewhat discriminatory, to me.

Of course it’s not impossible in future, but to say that it poses more of a threat than the Fundamental perverts to western europe is plain dumb.

There are millions of members of far-right organisations throughout Europe. Members of organisations which espouse hateful, divisive ideology not dissimilar to the likes of ISIS etc. Some of those members commit terrorist atrocities. Just because you don’t read about it here, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11948175/Far-Right-extremists-could-attack-refugees-with-acid-or-wooden-clubs-says-German-police.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/13/european-far-right-on-the-rise-how-to-tackle

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/attacks-refugees-intensifying-across-europe-under-far-right-influence

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/09/us-europe-farright-special-report-idUSBREA380IU20140409#3ifpxAKg0JIZd7Om.97

Even here in Britain, mosques and synagogues have been attacked by far-right wing extremists. Whilst I’m sure there probably have been attacks on churches, I don’t think such attacks are as numerous or violent.

To believe that there isn’t a significant threat to European society, from such groups, is just, well, plain stupid.

Acid and clubs? Are you actually being serious? Jeez.

Ok, shall we wait until people are being murdered in concentration camps before we start worrying? Jeez.

I’m surprised you posted that,

Oh be fair at least he tried to prove that one was true 😉

I was also wondering what he thinks about the numerous christains who continue to demand to not treat same sex couples the same and why the church petitioned for, and got, an exemption from discrimination law…its almost as if they claim authority to a higher place than man made law …but we dont talk about that we just say they must obey the law and ignore it when they dont due to their conscience

I had some excellent nights out with this combination 😉

This is surely just an ‘isolated incident’, so nothing to worry about?

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Neo-Nazis-gang-carves-attacks-Spanish-teen-cares-swastika-into-arm-415478

Are you claiming that there isn’t a significant threat to European freedom, from far-right wing extremists?

Ok, shall we wait until people are being murdered in concentration camps before we start worrying? Jeez.

Just a suggestion, but perhaps we should concentrate on the actual,real threats that are firing automatic weapons and using plastic explosives in city centres, not ones which you personally find offensive just because of their political ideals?

Are you claiming that there isn’t a significant threat to European freedom, from far-right wing extremists?

I’m saying it’s not even remotely comparable with the shouty bomby types, and that resources should be aimed at real, actual threats.

Isis need to pull there socks up:-

ISIS overtaken by Boko Haram as worlds deadliest terror organisation

But Mali Islamist’s are coming up on the outside Mali hotel attack: ‘170 hostages seized’ in Bamako

Ahhhh those peace loving you know who’s…..

Junkyard – lazarus – Block User

I was also wondering what he thinks about the numerous christains who continue to demand to not treat same sex couples the same and why the church petitioned for, and got, an exemption from discrimination law…its almost as if they claim authority to a higher place than man made law …but we dont talk about that we just say they must obey the law and ignore it when they dont due to their conscience

My guess is he’ll probably just ignore this as well.

However, the ‘I won’t post evidence because I may be killed’ is one of the greatest get-outs ever.

xDobbo – Member – Block User

Ahhhh those peace loving tou know who’s…..

Terrorists?

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Just a suggestion, but perhaps we should concentrate on the actual,real threats that are firing automatic weapons and using plastic explosives in city centres, not ones which you personally find offensive?

Ones which I personally find offensive? I’m sure many tens, if not hundreds of millions throughout Europe find far-right wing extremists incredibly offensive. Don’t you? Do you think it’s ok, as long as they’re not actually using ‘automatic weapons and plastic explosives’? Shall we simply ignore every attack that doesn’t use such tactics?

Terrorists who by pure coincidence just happen to be fighting for the same FUBAR’ed religion.

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Is that a serious post?

‘I won’t post evidence because I may be killed’ is one of the greatest get-outs ever.

Have to agree and that is the joy of reading his posts , you just dont know what gem of thinking will come forth next.

Wrecker; you’re either a troll, a supporter of far-right wing ideology, or simply (and I think this more likely), a massively ignorant person. This threat is considered real and rapidly increasing, by many people who have studied this issue far more than you or I. I no longer wish to continue discussing this with someone who appears to be in such denial. Good day.

Dobbo – Member – Block User
Terrorists who by pure coincidence just happen to be fighting for the same FUBAR’ed religion.

Nope, just terrorists.

Dobbo

Ahhhh those peace loving you know who’s…..

Poor people?

I’m neither. You have hugely slanted, naive and deranged view of the world. Your personal beliefs affect your ability to have rational thought. Your whole being is so taken with your political views that you cannot understand that something can’t be blamed on those you despise.

It’s like someone who loves red cars and hates blue cars. A massive red car could be parked horizontally across 3 disabled parking spaces and you would be pointing and crying at the blue car parked slightly out of the lines. Most normal people don’t care about the colour of the cars.

By that measure, how many has Britain First killed?
A million people who have pressed a like button on a website? Hardly a threat.

If you hold those kind of extremist views and want to kill people then you can join the army. I would imagine there are many serving soldiers who are also supporters of Britain First.

And there are incidents like this which have gained very little national media attention:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mold-tesco-attack-trial-zack-9524001

Oh great another head case!

@barty I’ve repeatedly posted the “tag line” NOT all Muslims are terrorists but all error it’s are Muslims. I’m not falling into any trap which suggests all Muslims are terrorists as that’s patently untrue. I posted the Austrain piece for the line at quoted, which is that legislation explicitly reminded Muslims that the countries laws take precedence.

170 hostages seized in Mali byIslamist extremists, Alah Akbar shouted once more and all those who could quote the Koran where released.

It’s absolutely tragic that’s it’s taken the deaths of 132 with a further 80 people critically ill from gunshot wounds for politicians to wake up to the inadequacies of intelligence surveillance legislation, the contribution of Shengen and the handling of refugees. France and Russia have tabled UN motions to materially “ramp up” international action against IS. Why has this taken so long ?

all error it’s are Muslims.

I assume you mean all terrorists are Muslim.

Untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups