Rugby world cup

Only as (as far as I know) TJ isn’t at all Scotchish, Darcy. But your point stands! 🙂

So, after a post like this (not by you);

I am happy to admit that when it comes to rugby I loathe and detest the english.

You accuse me of bile? Come on.

your obvious dislike of the Scots

I have no dislike of the scots at all. My only anti scottish feelings are reserved for sports only. It might have something to do with the whole “anyone but england” campaign, which included t-shirts. Hardly unprovoked is it?
Oh and good luck for saturday DD, I hope it’s a good game.

@ duckman…there’s an edit to my last post on previous page. I know you’ll be dying the read it 😉

CaptainFlashheart – Member

Now, back on to the rugby and away from bickering – Are we all giong to be getting up early to watch the vital games like Samoa v Namibia at 0330 or Canada v Japan at 0500?

No but I’ll be setting my HDD box to record anything involving Samoa if they tackle like this:

I don’t. I support a team based on their character, application, attitude and effort.

Namastebuzz, you raise a very good point there. Supporting England has not been easy in recent years.

But then raise questions about the nature of sporting support, doesn’t it? I’m happy to support any team based on the qualities you mention, and to be honest I’ve even warmed to the English Rugby team as they’ve a) had a few ignominious thrashings on the field and b) have tried at least to play a bit more interestingly. Plus Johnno talks quite openly and honestly at match interviews so that helps too.

Right you are DD, People obviously only have x amount of money to spend and I was wondering if the huge numbers that squeeze into Thomond(sp) had knocked more established sports.

People obviously only have x amount of money to spend

Two of the last things Irish people will abandon are beer and watching sport 🙂

I’d say Munster’s legendary travelling support has dwindled a bit in the last few years. I remember going to see them play in Bath and it was all youngsters – on the lash for the weekend. These days, it’s gone back to an older crowd ie. the ones who have their mortgages paid off years ago.

Darcy, thanks for that post re Irish sport. Most interesting, and I too had been wondering about the influence/otherwise of rugby over there!

Good points Molgrips.

There are a lot of factors that go into why you’d support team A but not team B. They’re all intertwined and woven into the fabric of whichever team it happens to be and are malleable over the years as the team evolves.

Personally, however, my antipathy towards the Scottish rugby team is based solely on 1990 when they, along with a NZ ref, cheated us out of our rightful place in history and destroyed (forever) our embracing of total rugby.

Not that I’m bitter 😉

@ CFH

My dad was a victim of The Ban. He played Gaelic Football and Rugby for Roscrea (in Co. Tipperary). Once the GAA found out, he got the boot out of the club.

Like all venerable Irish institutions, the good work is often tainted with a lot of shite.

Personally, however, my antipathy towards the Scottish rugby team is based solely on 1990 when they, along with a NZ ref, cheated us out of our rightful place in history

You can’t argue that’s any more reasonable than my views of English Rugby 🙂

Personally, however, my antipathy towards the Scottish rugby team is based solely on 1990 when they, along with a NZ ref, cheated us out of our rightful place in history

Pesky colonials eh? 🙄

Talking of cheating, did anyone see the SA/NZ game at the weekend when the ref went to the TMO on Jimmy Cowan’s “try”?

The ref asked him to rule on whether a try had been scored. The TMO told him the ball had been grounded OK but then he asked: “Do you need any other information before the goal line?”

THe ref said yes and the TMO points out there was a forward pass. Try disallowed.

The TMO is not allowed to rule on stuff like that before the goal line, only on whether the ball was grounded properly with the player being within the pitch. But he did – and he was SOUTH AFRICAN!!!

I don’t really understand how people can claim to change allegiance. I have supported Scotland rugby since I went to the games at murrayfield in the 70s. Its all about what you feel in your heart.

It would have been a lot less disappointing to have been an England supporter but that’s not what is in my heart.

Buzz – sounds like the TMO simply supplied information and the ref ruled. Isn’t that how it’s meant to work.

Isn’t that how it’s meant to work.

I, like namastebuzz, thought the TMO could only rule on stuff after the try line…could be wrong though. 😕

*runs off to google*

EDIT: from a random BBC article: Rugby’s rules state the TMO can only adjudicate on matters in the ‘in-goal area’ and not consider any potential infringements in the build-up to a try.

I thought the ref was allowed to consult the TMO if he suspected something? Dunno.. fairly sure they can alert the ref to foul play tho.

Dunno.. fairly sure they can alert the ref to foul play tho.

Nope, I think that’s down to the Touch Judges…when adjudicating in the Millennium Stadium, they often don’t have a clue what they’re doing though 😀

Bottom line is it was a forward pass, no-one is disputing that. The correct call was made. The letter of the law means he shouldn’t have ruled it out, but the spirit of the law is upheld…

IMO the problem is with the wording of the law and the initiative shown by the TMO and Ref is a good thing. The law should be reviewed.

Oh.. I think I am getting confused between TMO and touch judges. I think you and buzz are correct then 🙂

DD are you coming to Cwmcarn this afternoon?

IMO the problem is with the wording of the law and the initiative shown by the TMO and Ref is a good thing. The law should be reviewed.

I don’t entirely disagree but at what point do you stop the TMO advising the ref – ie. there could have been a forward pass a phase before the try scoring move…etc, etc. I think rugby refs live by the “whistle for what you see, not for what you didn’t see or might have seen” – for this reason I think the try-line is a good point at which to set the limit.

I think we need a separate TV official to ref Ireland at the breakdown though 😉

*puts on flameproof suit and awaits IdlingJonny and ManDuck* 🙂

DD are you coming to Cwmcarn this afternoon?

No Molly, I would have if it was a morning run, but I have BMF in the park at 6.30 which I’m trying to stick to rigidly. I can possibly make it over next week one day if you’re available…I know you’re busy with baby stuff at the moment, but is there a day that would suit you?

We, in a glorious example of poor planning, are expecting our first child during the WC, specifically the day of the crunch match between South Africa and Namibia.

Far worse still, could miss the Glaws V Bath match few days later 😀

Tmo is only supposed to rule on the grounding/infringements. Strictly speaking, Ref on sat overstepped the mark, but hey-ho.

D-D, the green stranglers aren’t getting anywhere, can’t see any need to penalise them further*

* I may change this viewpoint based on this weekends result.

I think we need a separate TV official to ref Ireland at the breakdown though

Pah amateurs – Kiwi’s are the dirtiestbest. Normally they only do it long enough to get ahead. It’s only on close games the ref’s finally have to do something

TJ

I have supported Scotland rugby

CFh

Only as (as far as I know) TJ isn’t at all Scotchish

So either TJ is Scottish or a Scotophile <shudder> 👿
I met loads of them when I went out with a girl from Aberdeen.

I am a brit of English descent and Scotland is my home. That do ya?

I would and could never claim to be a scot. However I have lived so long up here and my formative years were in scotland that it is my home. Its all about what you feel in your heart. crossing the border going north feels like going home

Scotophile 😈

Most people who once lived in the borders have a bit of Scottish in them…Douglas to be exact 😈

deadlydarcy – Member

I think we need a separate TV official to ref Ireland at the breakdown though

*puts on flameproof suit and awaits IdlingJonny and ManDuck*

Nah, Ireland have been so boringly poor lately I thought I was watching England! 😉

Going back to one of your earlier posts, when I lived in London I spent a very pleasant (drunken) afternoon with my Irish housemates watching the Gaelic Football Final in a pub somewhere. I sort of understood the rules until a certain pint of Guinness.

duckman – Member
Most people who once lived in the borders have a bit of Scottish in them…Douglas to be exact

I’ve been in Borders a few times, does that make me Scottish?

Actually, having no apparent Scottish blood at all probably explains my indifference to Scottish rugby. Loads of Irish ancestors (mainly Fitzgeralds and Dineens) perhaps explains why I like winding DD up?

Nah, Ireland have been so boringly poor lately

Depressingly IJ, you’re not far from wrong I’m afraid. A pity really…if they could reproduce the form they displayed against England at the end of the 6N…they were so good that day. All a case of lowering expectations (I wish…I don’t really think this is true).

I sort of understood the rules

As a comedian once put it…a sort of cross between Rugby and the IRA 🙂

Dineens

Oh you poor thing…that explains everything 😆

deadlydarcy – Member

Dineens

Oh you poor thing…that explains everything

Tell me more – I know very little about the Irish side other than names. (Fitzgerald ancestry seems to indicate descent from the Normans, though, so I must do a bit more pillaging.)

Tell me more

Nah, only kidding. Dineen…I didn’t really know too many growing up…not an unusual name, not a common one either though. Nah, only kidding. Fitzgerald is a good name though – and as you say, Norman…though many names are. Mine could well be Norman…as there would have been times when it may have been advantageous to spell it with or without an apostrophe. I’m sticking with “without” as that’s how Jane Austen’s Mr Darcy spelled his.

I tend to associate Fitzgerald with the southwest of Ireland – Kerry chiefly. Their main GAA park is Fitzgerald stadium in Killarney:

Interestingly, the Gaelic for Fitzgerald is Mac Gearailt (phonetically Mock Gyarilt) – showing that Fitz also means “of” or “from” or “son of” (“mac” meaning “son”).

No idea where they hail from at all?

No idea where they hail from at all?

Half a yard offside? 😉

Half a yard offside?

Only if the ref sees it

😆

TJ

would and could never claim to be a scot.

You can 😆 I thought the lowland Scots were all sassenachs anyway
and there have been plenty of kilted kiwis and just look at Danielli as another Englishman (dare I say it) ‘gone bad’

deadlydarcy – Member

I tend to associate Fitzgerald with the southwest of Ireland – Kerry chiefly. Their main GAA park is Fitzgerald stadium in Killarney:

Oh good, we own a stadium! 🙂

No idea where they hail from at all?

No idea at all. There were a lot of Irish workers around here at the end of the 19th century on into the early 20th. In my family they date back to my great grandparents on both sides, so perhaps born 1900-1910.

DARCL;you are on sticky ground mentioning imports playing for an adopted country,at one point they would have to play the SAffers national anthem twice when they were playing England.Even your coach played for NZ schools!