Rugby world cup

Priorities, namaste, priorities.

I try to have a broader view (luckily having worked in Cardiff for a number of years

but the fans demonstrate humility IMO

On the other hand, I pray for the scots to lose every single game they play

Bit confused aren’t you?

Nice selective quoting there.

The funniest thing about the sniping at the English is that the two most guilty of it are plastics anyway. 🙂

every nations fans laughs when an opposite player gets nailed then. Not unique to England supporters after all. Your experience with man boobs summed up absolutely nothing whatsoever.

Oh but it does you see. I’ve been with Saffers and Kiwi’s and even a frenchmen and have seen Shane get smashed by them all. They kind of chuckle but its not a big deal for them. The english fans seem to delight in it. I reckon its because they dont really understand Shane or what players like him represent and its why you have Trundle and Hopless in the centre.

The english fans seem to delight in it.

It could be a quantum effect – you as a Welshman having bigged Shane up in the first place 😆
whilst without any Welshmen about Englishmen just smile when Shane gets smashed.

you as a Welshman having bigged Shane up in the first place

Point is though smashing shane around in the tackle is nothing special, now had Wilkinson been able to tackle him when he scored the try rather than be left grasping thin air, that would have deserved a cheer.

No chance at all of winning the 2011 WC paying 2003 rugby

yes but we said that in 2007 and they got to the final and I reckon they are a better team now, I mean Balshaw isnt in the squad so something must have improved.

The english fans seem to delight in it.

Based on your experience of one fan? I would honestly think/hope that if you looked a bit deeper you’d find real that rugby fans (regardless of nationality) enjoy seeing Shane do what he does so well and wish him no ill will at all.

Based on your experience of one fan?

the clue is in my use of the plural

Some fat bloke in an england top was laughing his man boobs off at this

Boobs is the only plural in this sentence.

wrecker – Member
You didn’t laugh when Tait got bagged by Henson then?

I did because the national press had been telling us all week that Tait was the next superboy of English rugby…..

The english fans seem to delight in it.

plural isnt it or am I missing something?

I didnt laugh I cheered myself hoarse but didnt laugh.

I didnt laugh I cheered myself hoarse but didnt laugh.

Given that it was Tanson, I’d hazard you did something else to yourself. 🙂

Not in the pub!

wrecker – Member
Nice selective quoting there.

Really? all posts you have made

At first you get into A-A. for being anti-english and bigoted THEN you make a case for England fans being realistic and humble, then you mention on this thread that you “pray for the Scots to lose every game.” and indeed suggest on a another thread we have no place at the WC. Feel free to quote your posts completely to show that your posts are rounded and not filled with the sort of crap you accused A-A about.

It’s like this; us rugby boys get into a thread started by A-A on the 6N every year,WC this year; there is a significant amount of banter, we slag other nations players, but we don’t really get the bile that is sadly increasing on this site last couple of years. So PLEASE,if you can not focus on the rugby, and need to keep bringing your obvious dislike of the Scots(us in my case)then why not stay away from it? I mean really, our ambition consists of scraping past Argentina so we can be thrashed by the SH,why do you feel the need to divert this thread away from such low ambitions?

I specifically keep my dislike of the Scots off this thread. 🙂

Duckman – he is probably still smarting from 1990 🙂 Its jealousy

Duckman, well put! Let’s leave such silliness to the wendyballers!

🙂

Oh FFS, a bit of debate is allowed you know. And, speaking as one of the fans outside the England-Scotland-Wales mènage, the content of this thread does come across as fairly anti-England at times. Whether the contributors intend that, I don’t know. But it does.

Fiveundred! 😀

Come on the Reds!

No?

Oh….

Come on the Reds!

I agree! 🙂

I have a feeling that if it was directed at wales dummies and teddy bears would be littering the valleys

We slag off English rugby for specific reasons that are evident from watching the matches; the English tend to slag off Wales and the Welsh for sport.

English rugby is far more disliked that other aspects of englishness simply because of the breathtaking arrogance

Quite right. More than happy to support English football with a passion and any other English sportspeople.. just not the rugby team 🙂

TandemJeremy – Member

he is probably still smarting from 1990 Its jealousy

I don’t know if he still is but I am 😈

English rugby has NEVER recovered from that in terms of the playing style we could have developed.

molgrips – Member
More than happy to support English football with a passion and any other English sportspeople.. just not the rugby team

That’s pretty poor. The football team are a bunch of overpaid namby-pamby spineless underachievers who never win anything.

At least the rugby boys have fronted up and won a few things and made it to the last two RWC Finals.

Since when do you support a team based on results? THAT is poor in my book!

namastebuzz

I don’t know if he still is but I am

🙂

took Brian Moore years

What happened in 1990? 😕

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0062/page02.shtml

Oh right…that? And you’re still **** banging on about it 21 years later? Jesus, what IS wrong with you? 😕

DD;I would advise you to start doing the same based on the the 60 year cycle between Irish slams That game needs to be set in context. It was also mentioned above by namastebuzz. I was in London working at the time,and the game was a focal point for a lot of ill feeling between a lot of people who had no interest or idea about the game.
It had become less of a rugby match and more of a procession as far as the press was concerned.There was a really nasty flavour to it,set at the time when the Tories didn’t have an MP in Scotland,the poll tax coming in up here early,and Carling and Gusset were coming out with their “confident” soundbites. It was the worst atmosphere I have ever seen at a rugby match and the only time I have seen crowd trouble.
As for the game, it was rubbish. I knew Scotland were going to win after about 5mins when Fin Calder tapped a penalty and smashed through the English pack who just didn’t want to know. Even then it was tight, if Carling had been strong and pointed towards the posts instead of letting his pack try and grind over, then who knows? For me,the whole build up to it and the aftermath spoiled the winning of a grand Slam. England got their revenge six months later in the WC semi, on a really similar day actually,but the damage was done to that team.
I was at the 1990 final cheering on Oz, I was in the rugby club in 2003 cheering on England.That was based entirely on who the players were and how they played the game,and not because of their country of birth.

I would advise you to start doing the same

Yeah, I go on about the green machine’s slam constantly. Can’t shut up about it. 🙄

Yeah, I go on about the green machine’s slam constantly. Can’t shut up about it.

Well you should, with a 55 year wait to go, you are unlikely to see another.

Well you should, with a 55 year wait to go, you are unlikely to see another.

Ah, right, I see what you mean now. I misunderstood you – you meant I should bang on about it a bit more. So you were, in effect, just talking bollocks then. As we were…

Not living here at the time, and to be honest, no great fan of how any of the home nations were playing rugby at the time, the 5N didn’t used to absorb me as much as it has in the last decade and a half or so. I was probably a bit young and too interested in GAA/Football to remember the Triple Crown (when it meant something) winning sides…Michael Kiernan, Ciaran Fitzgerald, Tony Ward etc. I do remember, however, the fervent anti-english sentiments that existed in Ireland when England were playing anything and that our only big game most years was when we played (and were usually beaten by) England.

I now realise how silly and immature it was – and it annoys the shit out of me when I go back occasionally and still see it now (albeit to a much lesser degree). I love the banter and the spats on this thread – but my point stands – it still feels very anti-English when I read through it – possibly because of the “Welsh” content of posters – and of course, there are the two Englishmen that have turned coats to other nations 😉

molgrips – Member

Since when do you support a team based on results? THAT is poor in my book!

I don’t. I support a team based on their character, application, attitude and effort.

The England football team played well at the 1990 and 1998 World Cups and were unlucky both times. At the rest of the Euros/WCs in recent times they’ve been pathetic (when they’ve actually qualified). The displays in 2010 when they scraped past the footballing giants of USA/Algeria/Slovenia then got thrashed by a poor German side were devoid of any of the above qualities.

Besides, they have had quality role models such as Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Lee Bowyer…..

The rugby team have displayed such qualities and achieved results.

I can’t remember the last time I was proud of the performance of the English football team.

Just out of interest, how has the rise of the likes of Munster affected the shinty? I always got the idea that rugby was the third sport.

there are the two Englishmen that have turned coats to other nations

TJ and…? 😉

Always been more than open about only being half Welsh, but it’s the rugby half! 🙂

Now, back on to the rugby and away from bickering – Are we all giong to be getting up early to watch the vital games like Samoa v Namibia at 0330 or Canada v Japan at 0500? 😉

Just out of interest, how has the rise of the likes of Munster affected the shinty?

Well, I’d say in Limerick city (where Thomond Park is), rugby is possibly now the number one sport. Football (Gaelic) was never that big in Limerick – it’s more of a hurling county. It hasn’t won an all-Ireland championship since 1973! They’ve come very close a few times in intervening years – and got to the quarters this year. Hurling is probably bigger out in the county as opposed to the city. So, has the rise of Munster affected hurling? Yes, probably. Has that been a good thing for Limerick people as they finally get to cheer a team that actually wins things – Yes definitely 😀

I’ve been gone nearly twenty years – and I’m not much of an exile tbh – I don’t go and watch GAA in whatever dingy Oirish pub is showing it in Bristol. The rise of Munster has been the only thing that gives me any pride in Limerick – a fairly troubled city – and a shit town to grow up in when I was a kid. I happened to do a few days on a site here in Bristol that was full of Irish lads – it was fun till the “Limerick” comments started wearing me a bit thin.

Gaelic football and hurling are still the number one sports though. Dublin (Leinsters home) are in the All-Ireland football semi-this weekend (against Donegal) and were only narrowly beaten in the hurling semi-final by Tipperary (having knocked Limerick out in the quarters). Dublin and Cork are the sides everyone likes to see lose 🙂

EDIT: Football (association) is still very popular – but only as an armchair support of the premiership. League football in Ireland would probably be around the standard of League 1 or League 2. Strangley, it used to attract crowds of tens of thousands back in the 50s and 60s. But GAA turned the country against Rugby and Footie for a while with The Ban.

From Wiki:

The GAA has had some notable rules in the past which have since been abolished.
Rule 21, instituted in 1897 when it was suspected that Royal Irish Constabulary spies were trying to infiltrate the organization, prohibited members of the British forces from membership of the GAA, and prevented GAA members from attending social events with such people.[87] Support for the ban remained throughout The Troubles, particularly in Northern Ireland where GAA members were often targeted for harassment and abuse by the RUC and British Army.[88] Nonetheless, at a special congress convened in November 2001 the GAA voted by an overwhelming majority to change the rule and allow members of British security forces to play hurling and football.[89][90]

Rule 27, sometimes referred to as The Ban, banned GAA members from taking part in or watching non Gaelic games. Punishment for violating this rule was expulsion for the organisation and it remained in place from 1901 until 1971. During that time people such as Douglas Hyde, GAA patron and then President of Ireland, was expelled for attending a soccer international.[91] In order to circumvent the ban members such as Moss Keane would commonly adopt a false name.[92] The last person to be suspended from the GAA for violating Rule 27 was Liam Madden, an architect and member of Longford GAA in 1969 [93]

Always been more than open about only being half Welsh, but it’s the rugby half!

And even more open in your hypocrisy of taking the mick out of TJ for it.

I have, in a glaring example of poor planning, organised a trip for 39 pupils to Berlin and Krakow from the 23rd till the 1st. So hard drive heaven for me, but yeah, lots of poor games on at silly times.