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    nickc
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    Looked-after children services are often hamstrung by regulation and  local authorities though. Partly, charitable providers are being forced out the sector becasue of the onerous requirements of both local authority guidelines and organisations like the CQC and Care Commissioners in Scotland and Wales who are imposing stricter and stricter [and more and more costly] controls that organisations (apart from those who’re are very well funded)  find it increasingly more difficult to meet and manage. The numbers of these children is increasing beyond local authorities capacity and capability to look after. The sector is a victim of previous scandals and austerity. The providers that do provide these services are few and far between, and while I’m not going to defend profit gouging, running these services [properly to the standards we want and expect] ain’t cheap, neither.

    On the one hand you can’t expect charities to be able to either pay for the sorts of staff that can do these things, but on the other, relax the guidelines and potentially put [the most very vulnerable] people in society in harms way.

    Unless govts regulate this sector and manage the issues that increase the need for them better, then this is the result.

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    MoreCashThanDash
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    Unless govts regulate this sector and manage the issues that increase the need for them better, then this is the result.

    Something like Surestart, better funding for education,  health service, addiction support…..

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    tjagain
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    and while I’m not going to defend profit gouging, running these services [properly to the standards we want and expect] ain’t cheap, neither.

    This can be very true.  the child may need constant supervision in a solo setting ( worst case scenario).  that means two staff on duty 24 hours a day ( so one can have breaks / go for a pee)  that means more than 8 full time staff just for that one child plus holiday / sickness cover which is effectively another staff member.  Paid at minimum wage thats getting close to £250 000 pa in wages and other employment costs alone

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    grahamt1980
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    https://www.theguardian.com/news/article/2024/may/21/uk-risks-descending-into-darkness-of-antisemitism-michael-gove-to-say

    Gove really is a shit,  his party is largely responsible for the poisoning of British politics yet as usual it is everyone else’s fault

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Gove really is a shit, his party is largely responsible for the poisoning of British politics yet as usual it is everyone else’s fault

    I refer to my comment yesterday regarding lack of self awareness….

    kerley
    Free Member

    Come on, give them a break – they have only been at if for 14 years.  Shocking to think that younger people have not known anything else.

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    binners
    Full Member

    Gove reallly is a smarmy, self-serving little shit. Man who’s party has constantly stoked division for its own ends now complaining about rising division.

    This lot have pandered to racists, weaponised nasty petty nationalism and constantly stoked the right wing flames by ‘othering’ minority groups. Saner heads told them repeatedly that you can’t just flirt with the far right when it suits you. Once you’ve let that particular genie out of the bottle, you can’t just pop it back in again once its served its purpose.

    And so its turned out. The Tory party has now become some mutant hybrid of UKIP and the BNP. All moderate voices have been purged or silenced and the people setting the mood are lunatics like Braverman and Badanoch. Whats still vile, though we’ve now become used to it, is that its these children of immigrants (including Sunak) now showing the very hardest of hearts and fuelling undisguised scapegoating and hatred towards ‘The Other’

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Coming back nicely to the children’s services point earlier, another aspect of the nasty racist culture war blows up in their faces – a fact that anyone connected to child protection could have told you since forever.

    BBC News – Child abusers often family and other kids – police
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czkk41jxpx0o

    dazh
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    This infected blood victim compensation scheme is going to cost (tens of) billions. I wonder how they’re going to pay for it?

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    molgrips
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    Looked-after children services are often hamstrung by regulation and  local authorities though. Partly, charitable providers are being forced out the sector becasue of the onerous requirements of both local authority guidelines and organisations like the CQC and Care Commissioners in Scotland and Wales who are imposing stricter and stricter [and more and more costly] controls that organisations (apart from those who’re are very well funded)  find it increasingly more difficult to meet and manage.

    Let’s not forget that a lot of issues like that are down to lack of money, and that’s the fault of central government.

    If the public sector paid really well, people would be fighting each other to get jobs in it and we’d end up with a much more effective organisation.

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    Klunk
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    This infected blood victim compensation scheme is going to cost (tens of) billions. I wonder how they’re going to pay for it?

    they won’t they’ll kick the can down the road again then it’s someone else’s problem.

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    rone
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    Let’s not forget that a lot of issues like that are down to lack of money, and that’s the fault of central government.

    Absolutely – grant reductions of 30% to 22 (including a bit of Covid spending uptick.) District Councils are currency users and Central Government is a currency issuer. (So DCs have to raise money – like States in the US.)

    Damage done for absolutely political reasons rather than real financial constraints at the Central Government side of things.

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    PrinceJohn
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    This infected blood victim compensation scheme is going to cost (tens of) billions. I wonder how they’re going to pay for it?

    Tax cuts? & then make it a Labour problem

    dazh
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    they won’t they’ll kick the can down the road again then it’s someone else’s problem.

    Tax cuts? & then make it a Labour problem

    Think you’ve both missed the point I’m making. 😏

    Sunak has already said they’ll pay whatever it costs and all the victims and their families will be able to claim. That could be 30,000 – 100,000 people all getting substantial amounts of 6 to 7 figures. Add that to the post office compensation scheme the govt is going to be paying tens of billions in compensation. Labour are supporting the payments so I ask again, where’s the money coming from?

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    kerley
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    Labour are supporting the payments so I ask again, where’s the money coming from?

    Never you mind, we will find it.  You just remember the country cannot afford for people to have better services.

    You would think it would be an easy sell wouldn’t you – vote for me and the services will all be better funded but don’t worry about where the money is coming from as you wouldn’t understand it anyway and you shouldn’t concern yourself with it.

    MoreCashThanDash
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    And in more good news for the government

    BBC News – Move to extend police protest powers ruled unlawful

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69043611

    stumpyjon
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    So this crack pot government once again gets handed it’s arse because it was too lazy and incompetant to follow the tried and tested rules for creating laws.

    dissonance
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    Yes and no.

    It was passed last year and I suspect will have suppressed peoples willingness to protest since then.

    So whilst obviously passing a proper law would be more sensible given the difficulty of that and how little the tories care about spending taxpayers money having this in place for a year but then having to cough up compensation is the next best thing for them.

    kimbers
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    As ever, a conflict with the courts is exactly what they want.

    Plenty of people will still fall for it, millions will still vote tory  🤷

    Northwind
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    LeFtY lAwYeRs!on!E

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    binners
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    I see the ‘Party of Lawnorder’ has told the police to stop arresting people  😂

    rone
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    Never you mind, we will find it.  You just remember the country cannot afford for people to have better services

    Of course we will – it’s an act of Parliament just only when it suits.

    Water companies and dismal regulation doing their thing to cement the absolute failure of privatisation. I wonder what pragmatism would look like here… hmm.

    Once again the government can pay or the public can pay.  But whilst muppets support the tax payer myth we will keep passing the buck to the consumer to deal with. Thames is goner.

    Inflation down as expected – who knew it would eventually come down, but expect Fishi to go on a his scripted soap box about the success of his team.

    Scary LOL at the utter economic failure of our system to serve its people, and people not really given an electoral choice to remove this economic mess.

    rone
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    I see the ‘Party of Lawnorder’ has told the police to stop arresting people  😂

    I thought they already were at that point.

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    binners
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    No, we were previously at the point where they’d told the courts not to convict people, now they’ve decided to cut the supply off at source by stopping the initial arrest in the first place

    In a way it’s genius! I look forward to them announcing that there is now no crime in the UK as nobody has been arrested for or convicted of any crimes at all

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    gobuchul
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    I remember when Patel was bragging that shoplifting was down – during the lockdown.

    Did anyone hear Jeremy unt get his arse handed to him by the heavyweight Emma Barnett on R4 this morning?

    kelvin
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    What’s next… telling ambulances not to take people to hospital because they’re f…

    ..oh.

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    binners
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    It tells you everything you need to know about the present state of the Tory party that Hunt – a man who always appears to be in the midst of a prostrate examination – is considered their biggest political heavyweight.

    Hes an imbecile, but everything’s relative

    kimbers
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    speculating again about a GE

    I wonder if he will announce a date today for an autumn one, just to stop the gossip

    rone
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    speculating again about a GE

    I wonder if he will announce a date today for an autumn one, just to stop the gossip

    Interesting.

    Today might the *best* ahem – economic window they may get. Inflation is likely to tick up again and they’re all over Twitter with their lying **** banner of crushing inflation.

    I would say it’s unlikely but probably the most possible window of short term phoney positivity they will get.

    The BoE was looking like pivoting on interest rates back in March and May – but have since dragged their stupidly stubborn heels.

    Dunno – I think these gossips often turn out to be nothing. Probably an announcement how they’ve squashed inflation (give us a break.)

    The Tories aren’t even in control of the economy other than letting it be out of control.

    We knew inflation would reset when supply caught up.

    Cul-de-sac economics.

    finbar
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    A potential interest rate cut to 5.00% in June would be an epoch-defining success by post-Covid standards…

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    chestrockwell
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    As mentioned on JoB this morning, an early July election would land around the Euro 24 quarter or semi final so possible timed to jump on the band wagon? Also falls in to the second half of the year, which is what that funny, little man just said in PMQ’s.

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    molgrips
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    LeFtY lAwYeRs!on!E

    Did you type your password into the wrong window?

    Kramer
    Free Member

    @binners

    I see the ‘Party of Lawnorder’ has told the police to stop arresting people

    I read a while ago that according to “un-named senior conservative sources” they were warned about this happening repeatedly since 2010, and just didn’t give a hoot about it.

    intheborders
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     Inflation is likely to tick up again

    How long before the recent increase in the Minimum Wage takes to impact inflation?

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    crazy-legs
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    Sunak is being extremely oblique about the possibility of a GE. Keeps saying “the second half of the year” which is a nonsense reply cos it can’t possibly be in the first half of the year cos we’re nearly in June already.

    Like saying “Brexit means Brexit”.

    🙄

    binners
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    The Tories aren’t even in control of the economy other than letting it be out of control.

    I thought that was the whole point of Tory economics. To try and exert any sort of control is communism or something

    rone
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    How long before the recent increase in the Minimum Wage takes to impact inflation?

    Not so sure. Lower wages are sucked up by the cost of living increases currently.

    Interest income to the rich has likely been part of inflation equation recently.

    A potential interest rate cut to 5.00% in June would be an epoch-defining success by post-Covid standards.

    Yeah I’ve been saying that one for a while. That gonna happen at some point shortly. Although they would be ahead of the Fed which remains hawkish on rates.

    Either way spin will be spun. And election timing will be part of it.

    BoE should have been cutting a while ago but they’ve can’t give up their ridiculous logic, and not looked to have failed.

    kelvin
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    How long before the recent increase in the Minimum Wage takes to impact inflation?

    It probably won’t. We have to have two upcoming inflation spikes likely, both supply side… food* and energy** again. If they don’t fall on us at the same time, and the government can time the election right, it’ll look like a return to “normal” for inflation for just long enough for it to help them…

    * too wet in UK, too dry elsewhere, plus more Brexit costs coming

    ** lower energy prices unlikely to be maintained to the end of the year

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    crazy-legs
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