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  • Rishi! Sunak!
  • zippykona
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    He doesn’t seem to be driven by hatred, just greed .That is a slight improvement.

    mrlebowski
    Free Member

    And lets not forget, this is the man who couldn’t beat Liz Truss when his campaigning skills were tested out in the real world. In that campaign he came across as an aloof, out of touch patronising elitist, which is hardly surprising given his personal circumstances.

    As much as I hate the DM there’s an interesting piece by Dominic Lawson who poses the question that although Sunak is further to the right than Johnson he (Sunak) just wasn’t white enough for the membership..

    An aside – I think anyone debating with Truss would be bored & could quite easily be misconstrued. If nothing else he was right that her economic plans were going to be a fing disaster.

    mrlebowski
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    Not as much as it might seem imo.

    All non-white Tory MPs appear to have one thing in common apart from the fact that they aren’t white – they are all on the right of the party, and some of them extremely right-wing.

    Some truth in this..

    inkster
    Free Member

    I’ll concede that having a non white PM will project a more progressive image of the UK to an international audience for the first time in quite a few years but im not sure how much of a positive it is domestically.

    The narrative is hardly the same as if it were David Lammy, or even Sajid Javed getting elected to run the country.

    nickc
    Full Member

    Some truth in this..

    I tend to think that the overwhelmingly similar trait that these folks (Rishi, Braverman, Patel)  share is probably wealth and a somewhat privileged upbringing which has influenced their politics

    Twodogs
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    if that is really a step forward it isn’t a huge step forward imo.

    Having said that it looks very likely that before the end of the day a European country will have an Asian practicing Hindu Prime Minister, which is particularly remarkable

    Make your mind up!

    kelvin
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    Labour have already said that they’ll end non-dom status (announced back in April, and one of those policies confirmed at their Party Conference), which just happens to make them “ready for Rishi”. Expect that to pop up quite often if he does become PM. He’d better have been practising a better response than “leave my wife alone” and “to smear my wife to get at me is awful” when non-dom status is brought up in questions to him.

    rone
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    Ready for Rishi to press the ground-zero button on the real economy?

    The paper thin veil of competence dressed up as good for the country.

    kelvin
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    Will he be seen as competent while schools and councils are broke, ambulances queue outside hospitals, the old and the sick die during a cold snap, the working poor are choosing not to eat so they can feed their kids…? It’s going to be a hard winter, made worse by him and his party… portraying “competence” at this stage is going to need far more than Hunt’s unrolling of Truss&Kwarteng’s gambling budget that wasn’t a budget. What is Sunak’s plan…? Will he get to be PM without having to even give us an outline of what he wants to do? [ spoiler – yes, he proabably will ]

    ernielynch
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    Make your mind up!

    I have made up my mind. A European country having a Hindu as Prime Minister is quite remarkable, indisputably imo.

    And not least because another European less than a week ago chose a fascist to be their Prime Minister.

    Does it represent a huge step forward for Black and Asian people in the UK? No, I don’t think so. It represents a small step forward perhaps.

    Did Priti Patel becoming Home Secretary and the subsequent racist asylum rules which she implemented represent a huge step forward for Black and Asian people? No, I don’t think so.

    nickc
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    I think the fact that Sunak went to Winchester studied PEE at Oxford, interned for the Tories and was both a Fulbright and went to Stanford suggests Plus ca change plus a meme chose

    From that perspective, his elevation isn’t remarkable at all.

    DrJ
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    I do wish that the Look North news on State Media Outlet BBC would stop speaking of him as if he were a local lad, just because the safe seat he was parachuted into is in North Yorkshire.

    ernielynch
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    Not sure if he’s a practicing Hindu

    Why not, because it doesn’t fit in which his professionally managed PR image of a slick young liberal Asian?

    Rishi Sunak is a devout Hindu:

    https://www.wionews.com/world/rishi-sunak-the-indian-origin-leader-who-could-become-the-next-prime-minister-of-uk-499230

    “Sunak, a devoted Hindu who attends the Southampton temple where he was born on a daily basis”

    https://indianexpress.com/article/world/rishi-sunak-takes-time-out-of-campaign-for-janmashtami-temple-visit-in-uk-8099852/

    Coincidentally I attended that ^^ Hindu festival at exactly the same place as Rishi Sunak only three days later. Admittedly I am not not a Hindu, I didn’t do much praying, but Sunak and his wife definitely are.

    DrJ
    Full Member

    the Southampton temple where he was born on a daily basis

    Being resurrected as Tory leader is the least of his talents, then 🙂

    stumpyjon
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    Racism not exclusively a white issue shocker. It’s well documented there are racial tensions amongst all sorts of groups. It’s also not a shock to realise there are right wing non white people in the conservative party. Many will be second or third generation who saw their parents succeed without a lot of support, this will have informed their political outlook. It’s also well documented that previous immigrant waves are often against the next wave of immigration.

    At least with Sunak we might have a Prime Minister that doesn’t keep embarrassing the country in public like the last 2. I predict Sunak will last until the next election in 2 years at which point the Tories will be out. Doesn’t really matter how good or bad he is, we’ve not yet reached the bottom of the hole yet so there will be no significant improvement come polling day.

    Also don’t underestimate how well austerity will play with a lot of the electorate. There will be a lot quite of people who will be happy to see lower income people squeezed hard during this. The whole benefit scrounger / work shy wage earner plays well with many. There will also be a lot of people who believe him when he says we have no choice and need to balance the books.

    ernielynch
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    I tend to think that the overwhelmingly similar trait that these folks (Rishi, Braverman, Patel) share is probably wealth and a somewhat privileged upbringing which has influenced their politics

    Not really. Plenty of Tories from privileged and wealthy backgrounds aren’t on the hard-right of the Tory Party. None of them appear to be Black or Asian.

    Most if not all Black and Asian Tory MPs are on the right of the Tory Party.

    There has to be a reason for this because Black and Asian people in the UK, as a general rule, for obvious reasons, tend to be more left-wing than right-wing. Including successful professionals.

    IMO being Black or Asian in the Tory Party drives people to be more conservative as they try to overcome the barriers placed on them for being Black or Asian.

    That’s my explanation anyway, what’s yours for this apparent weird anomaly?

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Sunak has it.

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Racism not exclusively a white issue shocker.

    What is even more shocking is when a Home Secretary admits that her parents would not have been allowed into the UK, had the racist asylum rules which she herself is enthusiastically implementing, had existed when they applied.

    As in the case of the Home Secretary of less than 2 months ago.

    mrlebowski
    Free Member

    My biggest concern is that Mordaunt will get the 100 & the members will get a say. To be blunt they should be permanently excluded from such a role after the clusterF*** they created last time..

    kilo
    Full Member

    Why not, because it doesn’t fit in which his professionally managed PR image of a slick young liberal Asian?

    No, because he’s talking about Varadker’s religious practice not Sunak’s

    ernielynch
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    because he’s talking about Varadker’s religious practice not Sunak’s

    When he says: “Not sure if he’s a practicing Hindu“? Strange.

    Edit: Okay I get it now, I just don’t understand why Varadker was mentioned, especially if no one knows whether he is a Hindu. Sunak is definitely a devout Hindu.

    BadlyWiredDog
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    My biggest concern is that Mordaunt will get the 100 & the members will get a say. To be blunt they should be permanently excluded from such a role after the clusterF*** they created last time..

    It’s an inherent issue with a system where party members have the final say. You have the potential to select a party leader who is only supported by a minority of MPs. It’s what happened with Corbyn too.

    spawnofyorkshire
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    Okay I get it now, I just don’t understand why Varadker was mentioned, especially if no one knows whether he is a Hindu. Sunak is definitely a devout Hindu.

    You made a statement earlier that implied Sunak would be the first asian/hindu leader in Europe. I don’t think that’s what you were saying, but it could easily have been read that way.

    kelvin
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    So… Sunak gets to take over without uttering a word in public about what he’s going to do?

    MoreCashThanDash
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    Imagine the heart attacks among the Tory membership if they have to choose between a woman who isn’t a wannabe Thatcher and a brown man.

    mrlebowski
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    So… Sunak gets to take over without uttering a word in public about what he’s going to do?

    & given that he’s a staunch brexiteer is cause for concern but at least he knows how to use an abacus whereas I’m not sure Truss could even spell abacus.

    Bottom line is we need a GE but we sure as F ain’t gonna get it!

    frankconway
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    We know what sunak will do; exactly what he said when campaigning against truss.
    The problems haven’t fundamentally changed and it’s highly improbable he’s undergone a damascene conversion; I can’t see him reversing any of the changes which hunt has recenty made but outside that it will be austerity on steroids.
    As for mordaunt, even if she passes the threshold the indicative vote by tory MPs later today is likely to impose further pressure on her to withdraw.
    If she doesn’t then the tory membership of c170k will be free to exercise their racist and sexist tendencies.
    Talk about an early GE is just…talk; it won’t happen.
    The tories are about self-preservation, not annihilation.

    frankconway
    Full Member

    Mordaunt withdraws.
    PM sunak.

    mrlebowski
    Free Member

    Thank F those geriatrics aren’t getting a say this time.

    On the upside someone who can add & subtract, on the downside now we’ve just a hardline right wing brexiteer in charge – oh fing joy..

    Colour me confused or what. Am I relived that someone “competent” is at the wheel or concerned that someone who advocated “no deal” is at the wheel. What a sh1t show!

    I guess my concern is that Sunak has the nouse to carry out what Truss tried but less of a bull in a china shop on speed & will do it via stealth & austerity.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    IM dissapointed only because I hoped the clown show would go on with a further week of Tory bickering

    Sunak probably the wiser choice than Mordaunt, but the austerity train is a coming…

    greyspoke
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    Becomes first-ever Hindu PM on Diwali. Surely that is propitious?

    ernielynch
    Full Member

    Talk about an early GE is just…talk; it won’t happen.
    The tories are about self-preservation, not annihilation.

    Well obviously the Tories certainly won’t willingly call an early general election, but that isn’t the goal. The goal is to force them into a general election which they don’t want to call.

    This can be helped along by relentlessly focusing on the fact that they have no mandate for every new unpopular policy which they announce, and demanding that they put it to the electorate.

    The more they resist the more they will undermine their legitimacy and authority in the eyes of the public. It will help to maintain their historically low level of support and help to make the recently new and overwhelming anti-Tory vote more established and solid.

    Their illegitimacy will be a millstone round their necks at every by-election and local elections.

    Things will not get better for the Tories politically or economically, they are very deeply divided as a party and on economic direction. With ever increasing public hostility there should be a point where delaying the inevitable will simply be counterproductive.

    The very fact that they won’t hold a general election should be a stick to beat them with, not a prompt for resigned acceptance, a point which Kier Starmer appears to have grasped. I hope he maintains it.

    Cougar
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    And not least because another European less than a week ago chose a fascist to be their Prime Minister.

    I do worry that “also” is missing from this sentence.

    So… Sunak gets to take over without uttering a word in public about what he’s going to do?

    WHY DO YOU HATE DEMOCRACY?!

    Thank F those geriatrics aren’t getting a say this time.

    I do wonder whether they’ve made a misstep here. The demographic makeup of the tory party members is well regarded, I wouldn’t be surprised if fury was erupting somewhere right now.

    zippykona
    Full Member

    When I was little if you were I’ll the doctor would come and visit you.
    Crazy but true.
    10 years ago if you were injured you called an ambulance and they would come and visit you.
    Neither of these things happen anymore.
    Tories,whatever colour they are ,are all ****.
    **** every single one of them.

    BillMC
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    Aditya Chakrabortty
    @chakrabortty
    Whatever side you’re on, whatever your ethnicity, this is truly a historic moment.
    The UK has its first Goldman Sachs Prime Minister.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Becomes first-ever Hindu PM on Diwali. Surely that is propitious?

    Or, totally coincidental.

    IHN
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    Well obviously the Tories certainly won’t willingly call an early general election,

    Honestly, I’m not sure about this. There’s no way that they’d win one right now, they know that. There’s also very little chance that they’d win one in 2025, in part because of all the pantomime of the last year, but mainly because the economy is really screwed and there’s no ‘nice’ way of fixing it. So even if by some miracle they sort their sh*t out and do things that are economically sound for the next two and a bit years, those things will be electorally unpopular.

    So, I think there’ll be a significant number of Tory grandees thinking that maybe their best bet is lose an election now, give Labour the economic poisoned chalice, and give themselves five years to sort their internal crap out. In five years time, if Labour haven’t turned the economic situation around, the Tories are back in. Even if Labour have, it will have been off the back of some very unpopular things, which the Tories can play off in the electioneering, so, again, they’d stand a decent chance.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    That’s my explanation anyway, what’s yours for this apparent weird anomaly?

    I agree

    MSP
    Full Member

    I think there’ll be a significant number of Tory grandees thinking that maybe their best bet is lose an election now,

    I don’t think Sunak will give up the PM gig just yet. He won’t do anything to anger the “market” gods, so is unlikely to be pressured into calling an election from the party. Unless he actually has an ego that could eclipse Johnsons there is no way he will call an early election. He may though have an ego big enough to think he can turn things around in a couple of years by doubling down on austerity orthodoxy, and bribing traditional tory seats that currently look lost, which has always been tory orthodoxy.

    inkster
    Free Member

    For the Tories to call an election now in the face of certain electoral defeat would be seen as cowardice of the highest order.

    It would be the equivalent of when the railway operators ‘hand the keys back’, having rinsed the system for everything it was worth, passing on the bill to someone else.

    So certainly a possibility then….

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