[Closed] PSA: Xena Motorbike Security Chain £9.99

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ordered, thanks pal

APF

Ordered. Thanks!

ordered thanks

their payment process is a shambles.

got an error on the first attempt and switched to the other method which completed but never returned to their site.

Ordered, thanks.

Anyone know where you can get good (but inexpensive) padlocks?

how much is postage?
8quid sorry

Offer bounce. Just ordered one. Had to put the code in twice, but it did take it...

Finishes at 15 30 according to the OP.

Thanks for posting, OP.

Ace - two here 8)

worth every penny LOL.

Crazy crazy people. Might as well just use a bungee cord 🙂

Might as well just use a bungee cord

??

Care to explain?

My 3 arrived this morning.

seem solid enough.

Item description appears to have been updated to be out of stock - still addable to basket, though...

That's a good bit of kit for the money. Needs a decent ground anchor to chain to though. 🙂

ir_bandito - Member

Might as well just use a bungee cord

??

Care to explain?

VERY few chains can resist the attack from a decent set of croppers/cutters... these are not one of the very few.

Do a search on youtube for Captain Cropper and watch how easy it is.

And how many casual bike thieves carry big croppers? Certainly not most. The more security you have the better you are, yes? And that's a decent chain at a bargain price.

You rekon bikes are mostly stolen by casual bike theives ? From the threads i see, most are taken from garages/sheds/houses.. they're not the grounds of 'casual' bike theives IMO. they're people tooled up for a specific purpose.

Maybe i'm over cautious due to my motorbike riding and the chains i use for them, however my bikes are locked and secured with at least 1 Almax series IV each.

Also, looking at the way he crops those chains, if you keep them off the floor it makes it a LOT harder to crop.

You rekon bikes are mostly stolen by casual bike theives

Yup. Bike thieves don't expect huge chains. Motorbike thieves might though.
This is why you need to keep the chain off the floor

But at the end of the day, if someone really wants it, they'll have it.

PeterPoddy - Member
Also, looking at the way he crops those chains, if you keep them off the floor it makes it a LOT harder to crop.

Without doubt mate yes. My MTB one is a good 2' from the floor no matter what way you do it.

Yeah, mine is too.

To save people searching.. he's a few vids

25secs for a big chain.... it's hard effort... but worth it for a £2000 Zesty or whatever

Variables:

What's the bike(sssss) worth?
How good is your insurance?
How secure is the bike/shed/garage?
What's crime like in your area?
How easy is it for those targetting bikes to know you have something (Strava, bikes/rack on roof, Hope stickers in the car, cleaning in public view)...?

You does your risk assessment, you pays your money, and you follows best practice (e.g. not on the floor).

Which brings me to my next question - anchors in breezeblock wall vs concrete floor?

In concrete EVERY TIME! It's waaaaay stronger.

If it's on concrete on the floor, what's the best way to prevent the chain from dragging on the floor? If the bike can be laid down the chain ends up on the floor and can be more readily cropped.

Which lays out another point that the parts on a bike are worth sacrificing the frame if a thief is 'that keen' (either by cutting or stripping).

Yeah....now showing as out of stock. Didn't notice at the time of ordering, so hope I got there in time...

I want one primarily as I currently don't really use anything. I figured this is a good start.
New year will see me getting a bit more serious about it.
Even though this chain might not be the best, I often go in & out of the house while in the garage & this should at least stop the casual thief who walks past from grabbing an unlocked bike.

I am gonna get a wireless PIR too, I think.

Thanks for the PSA. 2 ordered as they are quite short. Out of stock but still orderable, will see if they eventually arrive. This is the kick up the arse I need to finally improve my security and get that ground anchor in that I've been planning. Cheers.

VERY few chains can resist the attack from a decent set of croppers/cutters... these are not one of the very few.

Do a search on youtube for Captain Cropper and watch how easy it is.

Its nit a decent set it is the best and largest set that you can actually buy and a little obvious to walk down thew street with
What it shows is nothing is perfect and any physicla security is to stop opportunist/slow folk down

I suespect the average thief is more likely to have a battery powered angle grinder- well its what i would carry

Too heavy to be portable and 13mm links aren't enough for use in a garage/shed, although might be worth pairing with an alarm padlock as a second chain

christ Id forgotten about those videos Zanx did - seems like a lifetime ago... He supplied some really potent coffee too!

Brieze blocks would be pointless youd be able to lever it off with a good screwdriver, a ground anchor with the chain vertical (ie over the top tube and wrapped till taught) would make it more difficult but not impossible with croppers.

But as we were shown earlier in the year you can stand in broad daylight cutting bike locks and no one will take the blindest bit of notice - weeksy's right get the best security you can afford if you dont want to lose your bikes.

10 or 12 quid for a master lock chain from on-one with a lock. I reasoned its good enough to stop a casual thief and a committed tooled up thief will get through anything, hopefully he'll get bored and not take everything....

I'm lucky. Our house is made of concrete, not brick. (Poured, no fines concrete if you really want to know) and the garage is built on the side. The bloke that lived there before left us an effing great Oxford chain in a ground anchor screwed into the concrete wall. He had no choice, mind, he couldn't really take it with him!
That's what the Duke is chained to.

Can anyone suggest a padlock to go with the Xena chain?

Can anyone suggest a padlock to go with the Xena chain?

Squire SS65CS or SS50CS but as has already been said it's not a very good chain so you might as well use any cheap lock.

IMO this is the minimum required to stop opportunist and all bu the most determined serious thieves.

http://securityforbikes.com/proddetail.php?prod=Torc1-P13-x.x-SS50CS

PeterPoddy - Member

Also, looking at the way he crops those chains, if you keep them off the floor it makes it a LOT harder to crop.

Er, the vids (and the Almax stands at the bike shows) show that's a myth 😕

Order cancelled due to lack of stock now. Oh well.

Edit:- and apparently they will not be getting any more stock in.

nealy the chain is the same type in that link you posted ie 13mm links and Hardened steel!

For a padlock have a look at the CISA PADLOCK 285/75

Doesn't matter what you use, they hacksaw the frames/forks to get components, if they are determined as as happened to a friend of mine. Straight through his glory and a five as they couldn't deal with his almax chain and anchor

That's why i bought this one for my wheels!

nealy the chain is the same type in that link you posted ie 13mm links and Hardened steel!

Pragmasis and Almax chains are case hardened rather than through hardened which makes them virtually uncroppable, the Xena chain just says it's hardened so I'm assuming its the same as all the other sold secure gold chains and can be cut in a minute. See the videos on the Almax website to watch them being cut.

Of course they could just cut your bike in half!!

Hope not nealy , otherwise they are like an armadillo .... Hard on outside soft on the inside.

Hope not nealy , otherwise they are like an armadillo .... Hard on outside soft on the inside.

Better than a Dime bar, smooth on the outside and crunchy on the inside...I like armadillos!

Anyway...see below some facts about metallurgy from here > http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=26

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[b]Through Hardening[/b] - This is a by-product of case hardening and is NOT A GOOD thing, for a security product, as it makes the material BRITTLE. Yes you can make metal very, very, hard, however the harder it is the more brittle it becomes. This leaves the chain susceptible to thieves, utilising sudden shock impact methods to breach the chain. To ensure that this does not occur, very precise measurements of various elements have to be used. We make sure that every chain, almax manufacture keeps it's ductile core. We do not through harden our chains.

[b]Case Hardening[/b] - This is where the metal has a 'case'around it, which is harder than the inside. This is done in large ovens, heating the material, to strict temperatures, for exact timings whilst adding various elements. We cut no corners, at any stage of manufacture, this means using more man hours, which is more expensive but it's only by ensuring that every link, has exactly the right case hardening, every time, do you obtain an Almax quality product.
Plating - This is the final process on the chain. Our chains are plated by hand with zinc, and then we increase corrosion resistance by passivating them. They are then immediately de-embrittled, this gives maximum protection. If any of these steps are missed, This can make the chain susceptible to either impact or pressure attacks. We at Almax have put procedures into place to ensure that the plating of our chains is done to the most exacting standard. Which again is more expensive, but the only way to produce the quality, that is the Almax chain.

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