Post Brexit Britain thread

Ok I’ll start. Let’s have a rational discussion about trade and politics, and keep the misery and wailing elsewhere.

Starter topic: I’m not sure this government has the skill to craft a better Britain but I do think they’ll chuck some money around. At what industries or businesses do you think it should be chucked?

First!

Road infrastructure.
We’re about five years away from national gridlock.

It hasn’t happened yet!

Your 10-20 years too early for any useful information to be available .

Okay now that’s done with, I’d like to see some serious investment in national infrastructure. Transport, power and communications. All need serious consideration with regards to the needs of today and the future and it needs done now.

Road infrastructure.

Not public works, we were always able to spend on that. I’m talking about governemnt support for businesses or industries. Since this is the one possible benefit I can think of here.

The proposed agriculture bill looks like a good start – if it ever gets implemented like that.

We’re about five years away from national gridlock.

Perhaps where you live you are….

Road infrastructure.
We’re about five years away from national gridlock.

More roads are definitely the answer.

Not public works, we were always able to spend on that. I’m talking about governemnt support for businesses or industries. Since this is the one possible benefit I can think of here.

But we’ve always been able to do that too.

Perhaps where you live you are….

No need to show off because a milk tanker and a sheepdog cause a major traffic crisis round your way. 😉

Cheers mol.
You’ve over 77,000 notifications to beat now. 😄

My view – we are big enough to come back from this. However, I’m not convinced we’ve seen the worst impact of Brexit next. I fear that many will feel the impact of being lied too, of not actually being back in control of thier country. The Greeks felt both the financial impact and helplessness, for different reasons, but the resulting civil unrest and decade of lost opportunity still affects them today. I fear we are next and our politicians won’t put the best for our country before thier ideology or personal gain.

Edited as it’s nowt to do with the OP’s question.

Rail freight and terminals; I thought Daventry and Stratford were a taste of the future when they opened but that hasn’t happened.
Increased rail freight capacity could reduce road freight significantly but needs centralised policy and implementation.
There will always be a requirement for road delivery for the final part of most deliveries.
Othervthan that, no specific trade/industry but an over-arching requirement to improve industrial productivity.
Couple that with an improvement in educational attainment and improved training standards.

Cant be fixed…

No oil reserve
No gold to flog off
UK PLC credit card maxed out
Reduction in immigration will create a shortage of skills and resource
Internal markets will shrink
External markets will go elsewhere

Can be fixed…

Get a new UK PlC credit card…
Borrow shed loads to prop economy
Prop economy
Print money
Cut benefits (raise pension age significantly)
Deregulate everything and anything to do with “restrictive” practice like working time directive.
Cut taxes
Cut taxes
Cut taxes

Both the above lead to the same place 1979 esque recession, about 3 to 5 years i think.

Problem is you can’t fix the structural problems of the UK economy that ship sailed around 1985… added to the fact that fixing it only benefits poor people which is not the objective of the current Tory party – best bit is going to be watching the likes of the Blyth MP squirming and trying to tell their electorate why stuff is not happening…

In summary expect a debt fuelled post brexit economy that slips a few quid to the poor while it transfers wealth from public debt. Its so ****ing predictable.

Boris has a problem though.. he has to chuck some people under the bus the question is who?
Option 1 poor people who he needs for the next election? Later rather than sooner – cheap chicken will keep em happy
2 the emotional industry Farmers Fishermen etc may be the first to go not many votes really so limited damage
3 The city financial services- no chance they are going under the bus
4 pensioners – definitely under the bus
5 the middle class – already under the big red £350 million pound bus.

I’m watching Threads in anticipation.

Government should not be propping up failing businesses.

If, for example, farms can’t be run profitably then they should fail and the farmer find another job they can do properly.

Educayshun overhaul.
Clearly a desperate situation right now, the poorly educated leading the way makes no sense.

If, for example, farms can’t be run profitably then they should fail and the farmer find another job they can do properly.

yeah , its not like we need food or anything is it…….

As ever most of these things are arse first!

If your going to start a new business which is what Brexit is really

1. Identify markets and value
2. Establish you have a value proposition that the market will buy
3. Build that proposition
4. Market the proposition
5. Sell the proposition

None of the above has been done by UK GOV PLC they simply think- set up a trade deal- people will buy the same old shit – collect taxes.

Its infantile at best.

If, for example, farms can’t be run profitably then they should fail and the farmer find another job they can do properly.

That’s exactly what happens now.

I am very much looking forward to Johnson and his government delivering all those things they promised.
And if they can’t, then I’m looking forward to them apologising…

Farming is an interesting one, i live in a Farming community and drink in a Farmers pub.

Boris has already sold them a dummy along the lines of the UK affluent public and our export markets will buy your high quality artisan products and we will feed the great unwashed cheap American chicken. Meanwhile we will give you a benefits cheque for cutting the grass.

No need to show off because a milk tanker and a sheepdog cause a major traffic crisis round your way. 😉

I don’t live rurally, just pointing out that we shouldn’t always be planning everything around the over populated south.

Farming does not work like that at all Drac, they either borrow more to “invest” or sell up at 10k an acre. Farms (owned) dont go bust, Tenant Farms lean on Landlords to “invest”

Hillfarmer reporting making £12k profit after a £44k grant.

So really a £32k loss before tax payers money props his business up.

Expected to get bigger bailout post Brexit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/db2a28e2-c175-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b89a

Edit: Link goes to subscriber page but it’s the 2nd hit Google for hill farm subsidiaries.

There’s an enormous amount of 1950s and 1960s infrastructure which is nearing the end of its life span. Nothing has been done to address this in any meaningful manner. What this probably means is that crucial transport and power infrastructure will either begin to fail with no plan to replace it or a massive renewal programme will be begun (it’ll out the costs of HS2 in the shade). I suspect the first.
Elsewhere? Goes ‘Scooby Doo’
For myself I’m bidding work in the UK, but seriously pursuing work in Asia, Canada and the US.

So if you paid all your bills/ mortgage etc and you got a £12k net lump at year end how would you feel? Hard done by?

More money into hating each other, nowhere near enough of that going on.

We have this appalling situation now where it seems many of those who wanted to leave think that everything will magically happen without them doing anything and can see no downsides and those who wanted to remain who seem actively to want disaster because being right is all that matters.

It looks hopeless but I don’t think it is. If we can look at one thing from recent history that gives hope to mankind it’s the Truth and Reconciliation program from South Africa. I can think of little in my 54 years on the planet to equal it. Sure South Africa did and still has it’s issues but it could have been so much worse but for the bravery and magnanimity of  people on both sides of what seemed an insurmountable divide. So I’d like to see money put into that. I’ve always been a remainer but I am really disturbed by some of the hate directed at those who think differently from me. If the hate continues we will all lose.

As Auden said, before changing it because it seemed illogical “We must love each other or die”

Spend the money on love, people on here have very different views but I know those wouldn’t matter one bit if someone needed help. Just look at the support this place gives to anyone who needs it. If you end up doing well out of Brexit then share your good fortune with those who will undoubtedly suffer.

And apologies for the touchy feely crap if it offends you I’ve been on the port and it has the habit of bringing out the person I’d like to be.

Immediately come to mind …

Get rid of the business rate
Establish free tax zone in all regions for science, medical, technology and manufacturing companies.
Tax free for all start-ups for 5 to 10 years
Tax free for all export based companies
All patented invention gets tax free for 10 years
Council tax freeze or reduction for 10 years (better still reduce to 20% of the current rate)
Income tax adjustments

Many more …

Hey its ok, the healing can now begin.

Farage a short while ago:

Brandishing a 50p coin, he suggests that unrepentant remainers now ressemble “flat-earthers”, even Tony Blair has accepted the battle is over and UK will not rejoin the EU.

“The fact is that the war is over. We have won…Let us celebrate like never before.”

F*** you farage and your myopic cronies. There will be a Rejoin day before I push up the daisies you ****.