Porsche Macan

yeah, but i mean obviously I’m not trying.

Now find me any way in which the Macan is superior to say a five-year old Volvo XC 90

It’s far superior in marking you out to other motorists as a massive bell end 😉

I have no issue with people making fools of themselves in public. I do have a problem with people feeling that it’s ok to drive around in a car that produces far more pollution/uses far more finite resources than is necessary. I do have a problem with people driving around in massive heavy vehicles that pose a far greater risk of harm to other road users (anyone owning a Chelsea Tractor, feel free to let me drive it into you when you’re out on your bike, see how well you come off). Etc.

I assume you are going to include all the big, dirty, polluting commercial vehicles on the road? Like the big vans that are hammering past me on the M5 in the dark doing at least 90-100mph?
Or are they exempt from your diatribe because they’re not moving examples of middle-class consumerism, instead they’re driven by good old salt-of-the-earth working-class individuals just earning a crust?
You do realise a two-ton van doing 100 mph is going to do easily as much damage as a Macan at the same speed?

You sounds like a shit driver. A slow car does not put you in dangerous situations.

That’s got to be a troll, shirley? Of course it does, from not being able to pull away from junctions quickly, causing oncoming vehicles to over-estimate how quickly the car is pulling away and catch up much more quickly than anticipated, to attempting to overtake slower moving vehicles, then finding it a struggle to get past in the clear space available.
You do drive a car, I take it?

Yeah. Cos it’s all those slow, carefully driven cars that cause mayhem on the roads. Give everyone a minimum of 300 horses. That’ll make the roads safer for sure…

That’s got to be a troll, shirley? Of course it does, from not being able to pull away from junctions quickly, causing oncoming vehicles to over-estimate how quickly the car is pulling away and catch up much more quickly than anticipated, to attempting to overtake slower moving vehicles, then finding it a struggle to get past in the clear space available.
You do drive a car, I take it?

So what you’re saying is, a fast car is more likely to make the driver take risks?

Richmars – yes it is subjective, but trust me, it really is as ugly as sin. And yes it does matter, because one more of these on the roads spoils the look of the country. The car industry coming up with these monstrosities could well be likened to the release of 27.5+?

Now find me any way in which the Macan is superior to say a five-year old Volvo XC 90 apart from speed

Far better design and engineering
Far better quality

The Volvo is a decent car but its not in the same league

Had a beer with a guy who buys second hand cars to order for people. When someone asks him for a Macan he advises them to buy new and if they don’t want to wait to expect to pay close to or above new car money

but trust me, it really is as ugly as sin.

Sorry, just checked the photos again, and looks like a car to me. If it handles and goes as well as reported, that would make me interested. To be honest, people thinking it’s ugly would make me buy one even more.

Forgive me but you can’t really compare a Mecan to an XC90, they are both quite different vehicles. If you want a slightly better comparison then an XC60 is more in tune size wise. I’ve had both an XC90 and have an XC60 at present and it’s odd trying to compare each to each other. Ones like a 7 man inflatable white water raft and the other a Canadian Canoe. I had the r-design 90 and despite its sporty look intentions it was by no means a sporty car. Volvo should have stuck to thier original design and left it in SELux spec and broke the 2b pencil, even the much improved 60 is no gunslinger, in SELux spec it’s just a nice high estate car. “Making progress” in either is a chore and rather mind numbing.
If comparing cars to cars then the Mecan is closest to the Coupe on Viagra that is the X6/5/4 variants, where space inside isn’t a consideration except for the driver and passenger, the rear for 10yr olds at best. But then, that’s what the Mecan is designed for, small “upwardly mobile” youthful families with an aspiring nature and a few quid to burn.
IMO.

The ideas slow cars are dangerous is false. As accident statistics show:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-2367194/Best-worst-manufacturer-brand-owners-revealed.html

The main criteria is whether they are driven by road hogs. The Volvo XC 90 gets well up there, Sharkbait. The Macan is the same sort of car, driven by aggressive types who like to be safe themselves while putting all the other road users at risk. The “nobody has died in a Volvo” fallacy gives a sense of invulnerability whilst driving dangerously.

Now find me any way in which the Macan is superior to say a five-year old Volvo XC 90 apart from speed (which is dangerous in itself and futile in a congested speed-limited land)

This comparison is rather meaningless, since they are so different. In any case the Macan has superior engines, a really good dual-clutch gearbox, completely different handling (even if it doesn’t “feel” like a sports car it really handles like one, in Sport or Sport Plus mode), and the interior is practically identical to the 911. The biggest difference, interior-wise, apart from the lower sitting position, is that the 911 has 5 clocks and the Macan has 3. Otherwise, steering wheel/dash/seats/etc are almost identical. And you can get pretty much the same stuff as in a 911 in terms of options. We have another Porsche (a “proper” “sports” one) and we got the Macan because it’s much more practical, especially with a child, and it’s the closest thing to a 911 that can sit 5 people and have enough trunk space for a long trip.

I do have a problem with people feeling that it’s ok to drive around in a car that produces far more pollution/uses far more finite resources than is necessary. I do have a problem with people driving around in massive heavy vehicles that pose a far greater risk of harm to other road users

Then it’s really a case of a very subjective “I hate those who have more than me”, unless you’re driving the least polluting car ever, or actually, you shouldn’t be driving at all but cycling around or perhaps using public transport.

The whole pollution thing is heavily dependent on how much you drive. You can drive a little car a lot and pollute far more than the guy with the 911 Turbo S who takes it out on weekends.

Then it’s really a case of a very subjective “I hate those who have more than me”, unless you’re driving the least polluting car ever, or actually, you shouldn’t be driving at all but cycling around or perhaps using public transport.

On a bike forum? Never!

Sometimes this forum is more like pistonheads crossed with Conde Naste Traveller than a mountain bike forum. Apart from the wood-burning stoves of course.

it’s the closest thing to a 911 that can sit 5 people and have enough trunk space for a long trip.

There’s a whole multitude of fast estate cars that would do a far better job for this purpose so you really can’t justify a Macan on practicality grounds. It’s a vanity thing full stop.

The whole pollution thing is heavily dependent on how much you drive. You can drive a little car a lot and pollute far more than the guy with the 911 Turbo S who takes it out on weekends.

Most of the pollution associated with cars happens during the production phase.

It’s a vanity thing full stop.

All cars are a vanity thing – that’s why every manufacturer has different specs for every model and optional extras. Bikes are no different.

There’s a whole multitude of fast estate cars that would do a far better job for this purpose so you really can’t justify a Macan on practicality grounds. It’s a vanity thing full stop.

You misread what I wrote. I didn’t buy a Macan because I wanted the most practical car I could buy. Far from it. While the Macan is fairly practical, it’s a rather small SUV and definitely not hugely practical. Just about good enough. But I specifically wanted the closest thing to a 911 that is also (much) more practical than a 911. In terms of build quality, driving experience, options and interior, this is it.

Most of the pollution associated with cars happens during the production phase.

In that case what really matters is how often you change cars. I personally keep mine for quite some time. Not because I’m particularly concerned with pollution, but because I buy good cars and take good care of them.

I saw a Macan parked up the other day, with a very similar type car parked next to it. And it dawned on me; the Macan isn’t a glorified Audi, it’s a glorified Nissan Juke! 😆

You misread what I wrote. I didn’t buy a Macan because I wanted the most practical car I could buy. Far from it. While the Macan is fairly practical, it’s a rather small SUV and definitely not hugely practical. Just about good enough. But I specifically wanted the closest thing to a 911 that is also (much) more practical than a 911. In terms of build quality, driving experience, options and interior, this is it.

I’d have bought a 911 and a Troopy.

Whe whole blingy SUV thing reminds me of THIS

oh and THIS

Haha 😆

Be prepared for everyone to hate you.

I bought a ten year old Cayman S six months ago, its a 2nd car so doesn’t get used daily, but its staggering the amount of abuse that I have received from other car drivers.

All cars are a vanity thing

Pretty certain mine isnt.

we got the Macan because it’s much more practical, especially with a child, and it’s the closest thing to a 911 that can sit 5 people and have enough trunk space for a long trip.

Well they have similar interiors but you are deluding yourself a high SUV drives and handles like a 911. The Macan has the same Porsche Badge and a similar interior the similarities end there.

Did you not see this bit…?

We have another Porsche (a “proper” “sports” one)

Seems like quator is in a better position to make his statement than the majority of posters on this thread who seem to be experts even though they have probably never even sat in a Macan (or 911) let alone drive them.

I’m pretty well qualified thanks to known how a 911 and Macan drives. Check some of my previous posts if you want to confirm.

There are people on this forum that think a Transporter drives like a 911, and they’ve apparently driven both too…..

I bought a ten year old Cayman S six months ago, its a 2nd car so doesn’t get used daily, but its staggering the amount of abuse that I have received from other car drivers.

Oh very nice, how much do they cost these days to buy and run? I would love to get one, just need to pursued the Mrs its a good idea !

I saw a Macan today. Bit plain looking I thought, just as a SUVed Fiat 500 went passed…jesus my eyes. Had to stop the car to vomit!

The 911 is a rear engine, rear wheel drive (in it’s purest form) out and out sports car with 2 useable seats. It’s platform is 100% Porsche.

The Macan is a heavy front engined 4×4 that seats 5 and is based on a generic but modified VAG platform.

The two are totally different. Anyone who thinks that they’re similar in any way, or that a Macan is somehow a practical 911 has either been duped by some very clever marketing and/or is simply clueless about how to drive.

Regardless of how the 911 & Macan compare, regardless of their perception in the eyes of others, anyone who has driven one will know they handle really really well.

Exceptional product, if SUV’s were my thing I’d have one in a heart beat and who gives the slightest **** what anyone else thinks.

Exceptional product, if SUV’s were my thing I’d have one in a heart beat and who gives the slightest **** what anyone else thinks.

The 1st sensible thing anyone has said on this thread..

+1.

Funkyduck you should be able to find a 9/10yr old one for £13-16k. Mine is 2007 Tip/auto love it. Mine costs £400 to service every 2 years (24 intervals) at a main dealer. I just got 4 new tyres for £800. Mine is 40k miles but things like cam belt will be expensive, 4 new spark plugs are £750 as the engine has to be dropped but mine are 9 years old never changed. Will do them when cam belt changed maybe next year when car is 10yrs old. Discs and pds are not too bad. All of this can be done by high quality independents.

Quator coming with first hand experience and well reasoned arguments – sorry you’ll never fit in 🙂

generic but modified VAG platform.

Quite heavily modified as I understand it – to the point Porsche threw over 75% of the original platform in the bin….or so I’ve read..

Jamba, are you saying you only get your Porsche serviced every 2 years? So one oil change every two years?

Porsche service is every two years but with an annual oil change. Cayenne full service at a dealer cost is £4-500 which makes it pretty reasonable – plus you get a new car to go a play in for the day.

“Quite heavily modified as I understand it – to the point Porsche threw over 75% of the original platform in the bin….or so I’ve read..”

So a sort of Saab/Vectra of the Porsche world?

A overpriced Skoda taxi 😆

Rockape – yes every two years, thats what they told me. Oil change every 2 as per main dealer advice. Now I only do 3-5000 miles, if I was doing more I’d probably change the oil. Clearly I drive like a grandad as I changed the tyres after 30,000 mikes as they where cracked and 7 years old not worn out 😳

All this talk about beauty and elegance, or lack there of, this yacht is one if not the largest sailing yacht in the world and my God, it’s stupendously ugly.

@FunkyDunk

I paid £16k for a Cayman S with 67000 miles.
Its fast and refined, and not too bad on the fuel for a 3.4l.

@thesurfbus, that is a nice car, I didn’t realise you could pick up the Caymen for that kind of money, you have planted a seed.

Might be a bit rude to have 2 Porsches on the drive though and I would hate the STW to judge me on it 😆

£6.5k:

3.4, 27mpg, 125k.

Look, its practical too!

^^ becoming collectable those ^^

Snap one up sharpish..