Paint your red nose black protest

Anyone doing this? Is it just fringe grumpiness or is there a legitimate political point?

First I’ve heard of it and I know nothing about it other than your post.

Generally, I’m not a fan of usurping existing charities to willy-wave (see also, white poppies). There’s 364 other days in the year where you can make your point.

First I’ve heard of it. I’m sure that there’s some point to be made about charity fundraising…

Cougar, well put.

If it matters that much, start your own charity.

Surely if you have to buy a nose and then paint it black, commic relief still gets the money from your nose.

Pathetic and pointless in my opinion.

But maybe that’s just me.

dear grief what is the world coming to

Hijacking a charity event to make a political statement just because you don’t like Tories.

Nice one 😯

How about doing some voluntary work instead?

Surely if you have to buy a nose and then paint it black, commic relief still gets the money from your nose.

Oh, they do get the money. The bla k ose folks don’t object to comic relief, in fact I’m pretty sure they support it. They object to Comic Relief inviting Cameron on.

Hijacking a charity event to make a political statement just because you don’t like Tories.

Nice one

How about doing some voluntary work instead?

Well to be fair, we don’t know what they do or do not do for charity.

CMD is in the one direction video so they are cross due to austerity so they are protesting

The white poppy is a legitimate way of remebering all dead and showing you dislike war and I believe folk died for my democratic right to do as I please.
I dont wear one anymore as it seems to attract nobbers into abuse

Hijacking a charity event to make a political statement just because you don’t like Tories.

What would you think Dave is doing then if not hijacking it for a political statement. To be fair I think Blair did as well

Surely if you have to buy a nose and then paint it black, commic relief still gets the money from your nose.

To be fair, they aren’t trying to take money away from Comic Relief, or stop them from raising money.

They are trying to make a political point that David Cameron should be removed from a One Direction video.

Pathetic and Pointless as I said, but not vindictive towards the actual charity element.

The white poppy is a legitimate way of remebering all dead and showing you dislike war

I’m afraid it’s not. It’s a way of a company making money at the expense of an established charity.

Pathetic and Pointless as I said, but not vindictive towards the actual charity element.

Can you expand ?

If it matters that much, start your own charity.

Yes like the one Jimmy Carr et al put their earnings into where 9 pence out of every £100 went to charity ,now that’s a real laugh 😯

Yeah, guess him and Mr Bean could help out a bit more than the odd joke and trip to Africa

I wonder if these same people objected to Tony Blair appearing in a Comic Relief sketch with Catherine Tate after he’d committed us to a war that has killed thousands of innocents.

What colour should I paint my red nose to make the political statement that I’d prefer One Direction to be doing David Cameron’s job?

Using a fun trademark of a charity as a vehicle to voice your political opinion?
Pathetic and pointless dont even come close.

Oh for **** sake just grow up, high jacking a charity event to further your own political viewpoint because you’re in the cream puff because your favourite bunch of public schoolboys didn’t win is just a typical sour grapes.

Scumbags……. (not aimed at the op, just **** that can’t see a bandwagon go by without jumping on it)

I’m afraid it’s not. It’s a way of a company making money at the expense of an established charity.

Its no the thread for this – lets wait till november to re do it but s it donates its “profits” to a charity we could debate it endlessly and I am sure we will nearer the date.

PS freedom of speech means “supporting” those you oppose most and their right to hold their views and engage in legal protest – its harder to do this when you disagree but that is the freedom we all support.
They can do as they please I wont paint one black but it is their right to do this if they wish

I’m wondering why folks are calling this pointless, maybe it’s misguided, but I can see the point they are making.

Cougar +1 x 2 !!

I’m wondering why folks are calling this pointless,

Because I think it’s pointless.

maybe it’s misguided, but I can see the point they are making.

Fair enough.

Opinions differ.

I’m not sure that I can even see the point that is meant to be being made.

Is it that politicians should not be allowed to support charities? (Or just the politicians you don’t agree with?)

You could give a fiver which is hassle-free or you could give blood. I never give money, I give my time.

Sounds absolutely pathetic to me.

Oh for **** sake just grow up, high jacking a charity event to further your own political viewpoint because you’re in the cream puff because your favourite bunch of public schoolboys didn’t win is just a typical sour grapes.

Scumbags……. (not aimed at the op, just **** that can’t see a bandwagon go by without jumping on it)

The opinions of people who (like me) don’t do anything for charities or community service groups are totally valueless whichever way they point. Maybe a precondition for posting on this thread should be a brief summary of what the poster has done to make the world a better place for no personal gain.

<snip> Maybe a precondition for posting on this thread should be a brief summary of what the poster has done to make the world a better place for no personal gain.

Some would argue that true altruism doesn’t exist and therefore this thread is now dead!

It is quite bitterly ironic for DC to be prancing around in a music video with a pop group supporting a charity with these aims:

Comic Relief is a major charity based in the UK which strives to create a just world free from poverty – and we work 365 days a year to help that vision become a reality.

Meanwhile:

In a statement, Archbishop Welby said: “Politicians have a clear choice. By protecting children from the effects of this bill, they can help fulfil their commitment to end child poverty.”

He said planned benefit changes, which would cap rises in welfare payments for the next three years, would exact a large price on families.

The archbishop said a “civilised society” had a duty to support the vulnerable.

“When times are hard, that duty should be felt more than ever, not disappear or diminish,” he said.

And:

THOUSANDS of disabled people will lose benefits after the Government sneaked through a last-minute change to the rules, campaigners warned yesterday.

Tougher criteria to assess how far people can walk unaided mean that many claimants will no longer qualify for help with transport.

Paralympics medallist and disabled campaigner Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson warned that the change will lead to disabled people being “ghettoised and excluded from society”.

While cutting taxes for the highest earners, fighting tooth and nail against measures to limit vast banking bonuses that even the Swiss are happy with.

I guess I’ll get called ‘pathetic’ for that too.

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Some would argue that true altruism doesn’t exist and therefore this thread is now dead!

Altruism is different for doing something for no personal gain – or perhaps even better “no pecuniary gain”.

Dave’s a PR man. He was hardly going to miss an opportunity to be associated with lots of nice cuddly photo opportunities, was he? In common with every other politician, I’d imagine. Its beyond cynical. But then so was the whole ‘Big Society’ wheeze, right from the off.

I find the whole principle of red nose day pretty offensive anyway. Being hectored to give money to charity by multi-millionaires is a pretty unedifying spectacle.

But protesting against it? Get a grip! If you want to protest about something, protest about something worthwhile FFS!

I find the whole principle of red nose day pretty offensive anyway. Being hectored to give money to charity by multi-millionaires is a pretty unedifying spectacle.

There is that. Watching the trailer last night with Rowan Atkinson saying “we want your dosh” I couldn’t help but think of his McLaren F1.

find the whole principle of red nose day pretty offensive anyway. Being hectored to give money to charity by multi-millionaires is a pretty unedifying spectacle.

Yeah, I know what you mean, but it does raise a huge amount of money and supports a huge amount of good work. The people that are promoting it are rich because they are famous, and because they are famous they are more effective at promoting it…

And, of course, McClaren F1 or not, we have no idea how much time or money Rowan Atkinson does or does not give to charity.

Not worth it IMHO

-It suits Cameron to be connected with a charitable effort that amongst other things helps disabled/vulnerable in the UK.
-because the more charities do for these people, the less the government needs to pay for them via social care and third sector grants/funds. This is generally what this government would like to happen.
-Therefore it ‘fits’ for Cameron to be involving himself as it supports his overall aims. Whether it is hypocrisy for him to do so depends on whether he is ashamed of shifting the care of old/sick/vulnerable people to the charity sector or not, and how transparent he is about this.
-and as other have pointed out above, he is not the first politician/PM to ‘do charity’.

Personally I don’t agree with it, but this is because I disagree with the motives and methods of the ‘big society’ or whatever he is calling it these days, and I see his involvment in this case as indirectly furthering shifts/cuts in funding that I don’t agree with. However I don’t object in principle to politicians involving themselves or raising their profiles through charidee work/appearances.

Personally, (and even as someone very much in the top left corner of the political compass,) I don’t think this is a battle worth fighting.

It will be preaching to the converted (like me, I don’t need a black see a black nose to make me think about it) and it will end up just upsetting everyone else. The number of people that will have their opinions of Cameron or the big society changed by the black noses will be far less than the number of people who will be digusted by what they rightly or wrongly interpret as bitter lefties shouting at the traffic.

I know I’m a right cynical ****, but I always think of the likes of Bono. Lecturing everyone on giving to charity, but structuring your personal finances so as to ensure you keep hold of ALL your mountains of dosh, while making little or no contribution to the society you actually live in. And judging by what came out over the whole Jimmy Carr business, I wonder how many of those imploring us to give will have similar tax set-ups?

Because I think it’s pointless

even though you have been told what the point of it is you still think it is pointless…I dont think that word means what you think it means

I wonder if these same people objected to Tony Blair appearing in a Comic Relief sketch with Catherine Tate after he’d committed us to a war that has killed thousands of innocents.

Very likely I would have thought …… what do you think ?

I have to say I find it interesting, if not rather bizarre, that on a forum in which one of the favourite pastimes is to denigrate and vilify politicians, often unfairly in my opinion, so many should be so incensed that a politician has been targeted, and should be so keen to defend their right to use a highly popular charity for photo opportunities/to gain popularity. Very strange indeed.

Personally I can’t see why the charity organisers would want to use a politician whose policies are directly increasing poverty whilst simultaneously increasing the wealth of the very rich, anymore than why they would want to use one who was a war criminal. Still, it’s up to them.

And I look forward to normal stw service resuming, when once again everyone agrees that all politicians are self-serving lo-lifes who deserve nothing more than contempt.

Wise words there ernie [ not sarcasm]
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I don’t like the way things are seen as beyond criticism. I stopped donating to Cancer Research and British Heart Foundation because of their involvement in workfare (Cancer Research have pulled out so they’re getting some money again), White Poppies are a perfectly valid statement to make…I don’t see how remembering all victims of wars belittles the memory of British Servicemen.

CMD is using Comic Relief for political reasons, so I don’t see what the problem is with highlight his duplicity on this.

i dont like comic relief (CR)
i dont like one direction (OD)

im not keen on david cameron, but his intent to increase foreign aid would appear to be more in line with CR’s aims than OD’s