Osbourne says no to currency union.

Cheers

Yeh, that video is pretty err…. unfortunate.

That’s going in the league of ‘special **** ups’ filing location.

Piemonster – I see no issue with what I said. rUK would apparently have incredible strength compared to a newly iScotland – allegedly. From what we’re being told by the No side it would appear that rUK in a great place with absolutely no risks – Utopia even.

The question I liked most from the debate last night was: If we would be better together, why are we not better together now?

Scotland is already better together. Stop running Scotland down and don’t reply telling me how bad things will be if there is a no vote because that is negative tactics and the yes campaign will have to be renamed project fear.

Right pie monster let’s cut the spin out and deal clearly with the real facts of one of the core issues raised in the last few pages of this thread.
What is your current position?
A Flounced
B Unflounced
C Temporarily Unflounced
D Reflounced
E Temporarily Re-Unflounced
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I’ve consulted the PFC (Piemonster Flouncing Commission) and they have concluded that the best option is a Flouncey Union. This is the best Flounce for all parties concerned. Even if its not.

This Flouncey Union is my preffered flounce. Although if necessary I shall use your flounce whether you like if or not.

Scotland is already better together. Stop running Scotland down and don’t reply telling me how bad things will be if there is a no vote because that is negative tactics and the yes campaign will have to be renamed project fear.

you mean “project feart” 😉

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/wider-political-news/boris-johnson-announces-he-will-seek-to-make-commons-comeback.1409067080

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/nigel-farage-picked-as-ukip-candidate-in-tory-seat-in-kent.1409085984

Two more reason to vote Yes. These two could be the future PM and Deputy PM in Westminster.

Oh **** jesus wept

Pm may I make you aware that some members want to flounce from the flouncey union. They may also flounce from the EFU (European Flouncey Union). It is apparently very difficult to unflounce from the EFU. Members of the EFU who wish to flounce are encouraged to disable the Flounce option (FOff) but if they persist are said to have FdOFF.Members/ aspiring members who have attained FdOFFstatus have been known to wait for years before being able to achieve unflounced status known as UFOFF.

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AS wants a CU because he knows that any currency union requires coordinated monetary AND fiscal policy to work. The elephant gets bigger and bigger.

“Please vote yes, so that we can give up independence to a foreign country.” No wonder he doesn’t know what side of the balance sheet you find things on. He doesn’t understand any of this.

Silly for yS posters to show how ignorant J Lamont is – that is merely and indication of how poor the quality of the political representation is. And you want more power for these people? Bizarre?

AS wants a CU because he knows that any currency union requires coordinated monetary AND fiscal policy to work.

additionally Salmond knows they are going to have the £ for years as the costs of changing rUK systems to cope with a second currency during the transition whilst iS set up their new civil service, IR, benefits payments, DVLA etc all systems that iS will require after independence but will not have in place for years will be significant and dead money

CU makes this more palatable for Salmond as he can blame rUK for interest rates etc, if they have to “sterlingise” for a period its harder to blame rUK for the same

Konabunny the way I’d interpreted them (EDP) was that they were attracting people for whom the BNP and UKIP were too extreme.

it seems weird that you think that all English people hate Scots and then go on to endorse the one group of English that do actually hate Scots.

Anyone think Salmond can realistically secure CU?

then go on to endorse the one group of English that do actually hate Scots.

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And they hate Scots with a passion.

This is a more respectable “media friendly” dig at the Scots from the English Nats :

Scotland is a Burden to England

If you have the misfortune of being verbally engaged by them on a one to one, English to English like, and I have, then their bigoted rantings against the Scots is impressive.

That would be quite a collective of liars!! On one side, a guy proposing independence would be delivering economic dependency on a foreign country and all leaders of major parties in rUK and Nick Clegg ( 😉 ) would be breaking their word and doing something stupid. No one goes into a union with a temporary partner….

Thm we want Scotland to be governed by those the people of Scotland voted for.

True, pity that is not what you are proposing or going to get. You are voting for a systems where you will end up with even less independence than you have now. That is folly in the extreme. Plan B is even worse!

But don’t say that you were not warned – oh and read today’s FT editorial if you continue not to take my word for it.

gordimhor – Member

Thm we want Scotland to be governed by those the people of Scotland voted for and their SPADS.
FIFY 😉

Well advising the Greek government is a great CV!

First, interview question: would you like to tell us how your last advisory assignment went? Did the economy prosper? Was inequality solved – and wiping nearly everyone out doesn’t count!

Sounds great, now tell us how we should structure our economic framework…..

True, pity that is not what you are proposing or going to get. You are voting for a systems where you will end up with even less independence than you have now. That is folly in the extreme.

And THM hits the nail on the head.

Why thank you Ernie.

Tried to explain this several times, may be the truth will sink in before the 18th.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU VOTE FOR!!!! You have been warned…..

Not true Thm we are voting for a system where the Scottish government is elected by the people of Scotland.

Fine, but they will not have control over the main instruments of policy. So apart from giving the DO a bigger throne and polishing his ego, what will you have gained. Little if anything? You will have lost lots of advantages for marginal gains. Folly in the extreme.

But then again some people actually voted for the Euro.

Not true Thm we are voting for a system where the Scottish government is elected by the people of Scotland.

But a Scottish government which will be desperately trying to return power over the economy to Westminster.

You really still haven’t got the point Thm we are not voting for a DO whatever that is. We are voting for a system where the people of Scotland choose their own government.

Hey, George Pal, what interest rates are you gonna set for us? And can we spend some more money up here please?

Hey, george Pal, can you nae hear me?

Hey,….

Cross post Gordi, don’t worry I have got it. It just takes a little thinking about. A lot of point in a government that abdicates responsibility for policy decisions to a foreign country. TBC, that was sarcasm!

gordimhor – Member

You really still haven’t got the point Them we are not voting for a DO whatever that is. We are voting for a system where the people of Scotland choose their own government.

some Scottish bloke on telly last night was going on how a “yes” vote gave “him” a mandate for his BoD, including CU

If Scotland goes independent we could be invaded by the Russians:

http://www.businessinsider.com/scottish-independence-and-russian-submarine-invasion-2014-8

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What’s a BoD? Hasn’t he retired now. Still voting for a system where the government of Scotland is chosen by the people of Scotland.

sorry Ben

http://omnimap.com/cgi/graphic.pl?images/for-topo/sov-city.jpg

http://www.landinfo.com/GeoData%20Country%20pdfs/United.Kingdom.pdf

they must be mapping you for a reason 😉

they are genuine military mapping, the mapping is focused on key points, access for armour (road thickness shows weight bearing and soft/ wet ground is marked

arguably significantly better for military planning than our OS series for identifying no-go, slow-go, and go terrain

Oh well,based on what Ben and BnD have posted probably best we all vote no then.Especially as the link CA posted a million years ago to the analysis paper on defence showed how well we are protected just now…By an elite flotilla of mackerel fishing boats with wifi and twitter.

ernie_lynch – Member
The legal right of people to decide their own destiny is a core principle of international law and is enshrined in the UN Charter.

Westminster politicians have a legal obligation to recognise that right.

So try not to feel too bitter towards Westminster politicians if the vote doesn’t go the way you would prefer.

It’s not their fault that you were born 100 years too late.

Scotland, England, Wales, N.Ireland are countries, but it is the United Kingdom that is a member of the United Nations. Where then is my legal right to vote, on what could be the destruction of my country, under international law?
Westminster politicians have given the right to a small minority to decide on the future of my country. My rights have been ignored.

big_n_daft – Member
…they must be mapping you for a reason…

For the same reasons the USA has mapped the world. If you can manage to make the Russians and Americans invade simultaneously, we can sell them deep fried Mars bars. Bargain, 1 groat each.

Aye, we’re doomed. What do we we know about running our own country? Too dumb to have our own navy, army or airforce like any other independent country, och aye, and all those enemies poised to invade us tomorrow and all.

Maybe we need a big powerful friend? Mmmm how about the rUK? Nah, they’re nae good, their high heid yins canna even afford to put planes on their aircraft carriers, gone an sacked half their army, bit of a joke really.

Nah, mibbe we’re better doing it oorsells, cannae be worse.

kjcc25 – Member
…Scotland, England, Wales, N.Ireland are countries, but it is the United Kingdom that is a member of the United Nations. Where then is my legal right to vote, on what could be the destruction of my country, under international law?

The UK is a collection of countries in a Union.

You can organise an independence movement in your own country if you like. Scotland isn’t your country.

21 days to go.

So – does anyone think Salmond can negotiate a CU? Yes, or No.

So – does anyone think Salmond can negotiate a CU? Yes, or No.

“Salmond hits his first hurdle at the independence negotiations”

epicyclo – Member
kjcc25 – Member
…Scotland, England, Wales, N.Ireland are countries, but it is the United Kingdom that is a member of the United Nations. Where then is my legal right to vote, on what could be the destruction of my country, under international law?
The UK is a collection of countries in a Union.

You can organise an independence movement in your own country if you like. Scotland isn’t your country.

21 days to go.

So because I don’t want independence you decide Scotland isn’t my country.

Will an independent Scotland allow an independence vote to the people of Shetland and Orkney?
Oh and if they vote to be independent from Scotland will they be able to take their oil with them?
Shetland has not always been part of Scotland.

So – does anyone think Salmond can negotiate a CU? Yes, or No.

In the event of a Yes vote, whatever is negotiated will probably be called something completely new, resulting in saving face for both sides.