[Closed] Ok so what good reliable 4x4 and not look like a chav

err, Defender seems like the best bet (apart from the reliability, allegedly)

It's that shocking reliability that I'm fed up with
Its only does about 6000 miles a year and still breaks down lots
It's a td5

Does need to tow around 3 ton though

Double cab pickup of some description

Towing 3t for hop far?
a nice car and one of these perhaps
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Ran for years with only filter changes. Also goes on red diesel 🙂

I did suggest a Unimog but she was not willing

VW Amarok, just about to sell mine if you're interested..

Pick ups and bikes seem like a pain in the ass but willing to listen

Forester. I drove from Manchester to Bristol and back the same day in mine and I felt fine. In some 4x4's you'd feel knackered. .i.e Defender

I did suggest a Unimog but she was not willing

This ^^ I'd love one 8)

chavs don't have 4x4s IME

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the. new Ford Ranger.

orangeboy - Member
Pick ups and bikes seem like a pain in the ass but willing to listen

It comes complete with a tailgate pad, you can hang 4 or 5 MTB's off the back, I'll see if I can find a pic and edit it in.

Forester + 1

Yunki.

Interesting Pic. I wonder if there's a Chav cloning program in operation, somewhere.

Nissan pathfinder?
and for those saying forester i didn't think it could tow 3 tonnes?

Is that towing 3-ton just on tarmac or also off-road?

Not sure if just me, but a double-cab and big trailer is rather cumbersome - plus d-c's are tight on people space.

And how much do you want to spend?

King-ocelot - Member
Forester + 1

Not sure a Forester can tow 3t

I wonder if there's a Chav cloning program in operation, somewhere.

the guy in the red jacket is like the queen ant (queen chav) and lays on average 400 eggs per day..

if you look closely, you can see from his expression that he's just laying another one there.. the other chavs around him are worker chavs and will be feeding the eggs with spliffs and white lightening..

It comes complete with a tailgate pad, you can hang 4 or 5 MTB's off the back, I'll see if I can find a pic and edit it in.

Easy removed too 🙂

Forester.

That'll never tow 3 tonnes.

[i]worker chavs[/i]
😆

Forrster will tow 2400lb/1088Kg

"plus d-c's are tight on people space."

used one recently ?

there pleasent places to be - the l200 i was in was just a shogun internally with leaf springs out back.

pays for this by loosing load space mind you.

for towing 3tonne your options are limited.

We've got a XJ-series Jeep Cherokee Sport, which is pretty rugged and very comfortable. Good for 5000lbs towing, not sure that's quite enough. It's pretty reliable though, although I have changed the radiator, serpentine belt and water pump - small radiator leak, and I thought I'd do it all at once. Took me all of about 3 hours, and the trickiest bit was unscrewing all the various covers. Depends how mechanically minded you are, I suppose.

That'll never tow 3 tonnes.

Why do you want to tow 3 tonnes?

because the OP said he wants to tow 3 tonnes ... i imagine horses....

i want at least 2.5 tonne towing on my next car for a car transporter

mikewsmith - Member
It comes complete with a tailgate pad, you can hang 4 or 5 MTB's off the back, I'll see if I can find a pic and edit it in.
Easy removed too

Yep does depend if you're genuinely using it to transport the bikes to and from a trail area, I have left it here and there for an hour or so, but the boys up at Herts made me take the bikes off the back and take them inside whilst we went for an Indian, so it does depend on your locality I guess.

Then you can run a lock cable through them and vans ain't necessarily any safer it somebody is aware of what's inside, they're just more visible initally I guess which if anything hones your own sense of security, I guess having been a committed pick up user these past ten years or so you get into a routine to suit, funnily enough I'm thinking of returning to using a van for other reasons, but I do prefer a pick up for the sheer convenience of other stuff you can do with it.

because the OP said he wants to tow 3 tonnes ... i imagine horses....

Transit van then. Sorted.

[b]hora[/b] - Member
Forester.

It's a good answer, hora, but not to this question.

BWHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAHA transit van - fack off ...

terrible for towing across [s]grassy fields[/s] wet tarmac.

i remember watching a mate turn up to trial with his rangey on the back of his transit - couldnt even get up the slope into the event with the transit.

rolled the rangey off the back and still couldnt get the transit up. towed his transit up the hill with the rangey in the end.

igrf

Having ended up with a Forrester here in Oz (missus made the choice before I got here) I did consider a Ute (pick up) as a second go anywhere bike vehicle. But after seeing limited dry load space and all that I was straight back to saving for the van. Bikes in & locked away with the tools etc. Dry on the inside and the insurance considers it all locked away inside. The roads here are fine in the end no real need for anything mental (don't tell the locals)

Cough cough I missed the 3 tonne bit if the OP. I withdraw my Forester suggestion & have learned a harsh lesson never to +1 Hora. *head hanging in shame*

Is that you ploughing mikewsmith - I thought for a moment it was my uncle!? If so, whereabouts?

We looked into this a lot as we wanted something that would be reliable, tow 2 horses & trailer safely and be reasonably economical. We ended up with a Kia Sorento and haven't regretted the choice.

ssangyong korrando SE on the leftfield ??

depreciate like a stone i bet but as a used purchase couldnt be bad ?

folks i know with them are happy with em and had no major faults. they are the old 2.8 Merc engines as oppose their own 2.0 TD they use now though.

Not me in the pic, our 2 had cabs (either soft up north or way worse weather) ploughed with them a few times when I could barley reach the pedals 🙂

Farmers today don't know they are born!
(I am also not nearly that old!)

Thank all some good things to look at there

And yes big horse box and Somtimes a car trailer
Just not sure about the security of bikes in a pickup

Not used for playing offroad just the odd field and the like

Keep being pointed at kia

Cabs for 'real' ploughing but always either the 28 or the 135 for competitions!

our 135's had cabs!! 1 had a working wiper and radio (MW/LW I was gutted when R1 went to FM)

Just not sure about the security of bikes in a pickup

I'm not sure there are many with a 3 tonne towing capacity tho.

My 07 ranger is plated at more than 3000 kgs towing capacity

I've had a L200 Animal for the last 4 years, done me fine and very much like a Shogun inside. it's for sale at the moment as i have a new car. 56 reg, 56k on clock, just had cam belt done, FSH, auto blah blah blah. As it's a euro 4 car the road tax is only £130 a year. No vat as I've had it as a family car since it came from Mitsi so no hard work, just trips to the alps in winter and summer. £10k (locking truckman top)
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I've got an Isuzu pickup. They have a 3 tonne towing capacity and I get over 30mpg in mine.

I've got a truck top. That makes it as secure as an anything else and the tie down points make handy hard points for a chain.

With the top on I can get one complete bike or two bikes in with the front wheels removed or 3 with both wheels off.

3.5T really narrows the choices. I was looking at Toyota Hiaces as a less expensive option to a Discovery but the towing capacity is lacking.

You are looking at Landrovers, Toyota Landcruiser, Nissan Patrol and the likes. Also watch out for auto boxes as they may have a lower towing capacity than the manual version.

have you thought about a Range Rover? The can be found cheaper than Defenders and Discos and a lot have never been off road.

The roads here are fine in the end no real need for anything mental (don't tell the locals)

Depends which roads 😉

I doubt the Mitsi will pull 3 Tonnes - they're limited to 2.8T here in Oz (and seem to struggle with that!)

Most pickups are actually around the 2.2-2.8T capacity actually, so you are quite limited. IIRC, can't cherokees pull horses?

Navara Double Cab is 2.6T, which is enough for our 2T boat and trailer.

Also, don't know any [u]standard[/u] 4x4 that would make you look like a chav?.

Diahatsu Fourtrak.
A blunt instrument but very effective!

Another Mitsi L200 owner here.. the tow limit is 2700kg.

tbh If its horses, just buy her a 3.5t van-based Horse Box instead.

We got a Ducato based one a couple of years ago. Far easier than messing with towing and you can leave everything inside. Like this:

http://www.pembrokeshire4x4.co.uk/ProductDetail.asp?urn=650

Cheap tax/insurance and low depreciation. Plus perfect MTB carrier and pit-bus.

Just about to say same as b r.

For 2 horses, buy a second hand lorry.

How about a VW Toureg? Not chavy, comfy, and (if my very quick google search is to be belived) has a towing capacity of 3.5t - I seem to remember a Top Gear episode where one of these pulled a 747, or a combine harvester...

Two decent size horses you'll need a big 4x4 and not a pick up. Good towing practice is to keep below 85% of the tow vehicles weight... Regardless of what figure the manufacturer says the vehicle can pull in a straight line on a dry test track.

You don't want something that slews all over the road when a lorry overtakes you on the motorway - been some nasty accidents with horseboxes under such circumstance.

If you want to tow 3.5t with a 4x4 you have very limited choices.

Vw touareg,
Mercedes M class,
Land rover Discovery 3/4,
Range rover,
Range rover sport.

Despite the unreliability that can occur (not always) with a discovery there is a reason they keep getting awarded best 4x4 by caravan magazines.

For 3t it's either a landie or a ford ranger. I'd go for the ranger

I can't stop giggling at the photo of a Pick-Up truck with a bike rack on the back.

I think that sums up missing the point.

I would go with a Series IIA but that's simply for nostalgia not practicality.

despite being a big fan of the green oval from a legacy point of view. and a hater of VW after a bad experiance.

unless i could afford a full fat brand new rangey and could afford to trade in every 3 years.

id have the touareg out of the lot , my colleagues v6 touregs a much nicer place to be and much less garish and in your face than my other colleagues RR sport.

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and a smaller horse, rated at 2500kg's (even the California 4 motion)

I've picked up a Shotgun Sport was looking at L200s but though a car was better for storing day to day stuff in out of sight.

I'm well please can get 2 bikes in with the front wheels off but just got a maxxraxx ( http://www.maxxraxx.co.uk/products.html ) for the back so more of us can go out at the same time and stops getting all the S%&* in the car after a ride. 😀

Trailer I want to be able to tow: http://www.iwt.co.uk/products/livestock/ta510?tab=details

Only allowed to tow the small 750kg ones at the moment though 🙁

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Older vw touareg can pull 3.5t (not so sure about the latest version). Proper 4x4 with low range, diff lock, etc. can't say mine has been the most reliable car I've owned though...
Nissan pathfinders/navarras are one of the most reliable trucks on the road.
Not sure what a Land Cruiser will pull, but that would be my first choice if I really needed another big 4x4.

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I'd not given the touareg a thought but that would be a nice bit of comfort after the denfender and anything would be more reliable.

I need to check exactly how much weight the box and animals come too
With the defender it did no matter to much as it rated to 3.5t so loads of margin

I tried to get her a lorry rather than trailer but she wanted the defender

Maybe a newer tdci 110 is the answer

oooft if anything its older 300tdi you want not a tdci ... puma engines awful and the box isnt much better

orangeboy

The old 7.5t lorries can be naff, but our Ducato is more like driving a car, and +30mpg (laden or unladen - doesn't seem to impact it).

We got it rather than upgrade her car, as while her current Freelander will (and can) tow a box + 2 horses (and all the associated gear), its a bit marginal in hilly terrain. The van has compartments to carry saddles and all the tack plus a wardrobe and changing area.

Plus, and its a big plus, can be driven by anyone with a car licence.

What's worse is used I have a master that got sold to buy the rover
Should have just converted that. Oh well

Thought you could not use a freelander for a box plus two horses legally

freelander can legally only take slightly over a tonne - although i watched a fella pass me towing a disco 1(just over 2 tonne) on a transporter trailer with one .... was a scary looking manuver.

[i]Thought you could not use a freelander for a box plus two horses legally [/i]

Lightweight trailer and 2 slim lads (ie bloody expensive horses!), but I use to warn her if she got pulled onto a weighbridge she'd need to do 'favours' 🙂

Towing capacity of 2 tonne.

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[url= http://carpages.co.uk/kia/kia-sorento-30-09-06.asp ]Kia Sorrento? Mate has one for horse box towing duties[/url]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-reviews/kia/sorento/24886?page=3

Cool thanks all. You have been great as always

Like I said before, towing capacity not the same as stability... 85% rule is never factored into towing capacity figures. You do not want a trailer and two horses over turning on the motorway. Or any road for that matter.

Kia Sorrento is only 2500kgs.

Ford F250 - for towing and any other heavy-duty business.

Ford F150 Lighting - for shits n giggles

Nissan pathfinders/navarras are one of the most reliable trucks on the road.

Well, that being the case, I dread to think how poor the other makes are. Our works Navarra spends most of its time in the garage. Same goes for the ones at other sites according to our fleet manager.

freelander can legally only take slightly over a tonne - although i watched a fella pass me towing a disco 1(just over 2 tonne) on a transporter trailer with one .... was a scary looking manuver.

Freelander 2 tows 2 tonnes braked

oooft if anything its older 300tdi you want not a tdci ... puma engines awful and the box isnt much better

Depends whether you're after a tractor, or a more modern fuel efficient and far more torquey engine. Having driven a 300, TD5 and Puma, I'm glad it's the Puma they now make

Low down grunt is not the td5 strong point
Even worse as ours is an early one with very poor anti stall
On the plus side it has to be the least depreciating car I've ever had and
Been very impressed with the stability of the 110 for towing

I actually meant to put navaras are the most unreliable trucks on the road 😀
Our company bought about six, two of which self destructed, the rest have been nowt but trouble.

Most Jap stuff doesn't go beyond 3t.
Replace enough bits and you'll eventually have a reliable LR, although if you're not too far down the line just trade for another and hope that aint a lemon too. Early TD5 had really bad throttle response too, crap for pulling out juncctions loaded.
110 far better tow than 90, especially if it has heavy duty springs.
I run a 130 at work, TD5 was fine, replaced with 2.4TDCI, different but still good + decent heater. Spends plenty of time towing around wood, diggers, tractors, implements and up to its sills in muck.

Got a new hi-lux at work, piece of crap couldn't pull the skin off custard and the caddy van is better in a wet grassy field.

andyl - get a twin axle rather than a triple if you need to manouvere in tight spaces, triples scrub and twist badly in small yards, IWT do most things to 3.5t.